What the 2012 election taught us

What the 2012 election taught us

There are 10317 comments on the The Washington Post story from Nov 6, 2012, titled What the 2012 election taught us. In it, The Washington Post reports that:

We've been scouring the data for clues as to what we should learn from what happened tonight as President Obama relatively easily claimed a second term.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at The Washington Post.

Aphelion

Melbourne, FL

#5004 Dec 4, 2012
Some Random Dude wrote:
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I don't know if you were aware, but human beings are pack animals. Our social "packs" are/were called tribes. They are based on mutual support of each other... NOT this personal autonomy conservatives seem to believe everybody needs to practice. A lot of conservative rhetoric seems to imply that things geared for the better of society as a whole are bad. That is so contrary to human nature and social evolution. Considering the fact that this sort of stark individual idealism is so ingrained in our culture, it's no wonder we are the craziest, most f*cked up people on the planet.
Nice justification for being dependent on others to subsidize your existance.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#5005 Dec 4, 2012
Some Random Dude wrote:
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I don't know if you were aware, but human beings are pack animals. Our social "packs" are/were called tribes. They are based on mutual support of each other... NOT this personal autonomy conservatives seem to believe everybody needs to practice. A lot of conservative rhetoric seems to imply that things geared for the better of society as a whole are bad. That is so contrary to human nature and social evolution. Considering the fact that this sort of stark individual idealism is so ingrained in our culture, it's no wonder we are the craziest, most f*cked up people on the planet.
Right and I agree even with Karl Marxs said that Socialism is the Foundation of every Society in time Society will either progress toward Capitalism or Communism and alot people dont realize that besides he never had to write anything on Socialism because it was already being practiced in Society at the time and what Karl Marxs got wrong was that he believed that Society would progress towards Communism, a Classless Society which Society never did and its just Like Capitalism which Karl Marxs spent most of his life writing the 4 volumes but here in the US everytime that the US took a step towards Capitalism the US Federal Government was there to crush it & keep the US from progressing toward Capitalism and keep some form of Socialism in place example is the Republican's Sherman Anti Trust Act and was used on John D. Rockefeller Sr's Standard Oil & Bill Gates Microsoft because of Monoplies which are inherit to Capitalism.

Sherman Antitrust Act

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherman_Antitrus...

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#5006 Dec 4, 2012
Aphelion wrote:
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National Park Service .. Run by the federal government
Just more of our current administration claiming to create jobs all the while policies under this administration are killing jobs.
Not that you have a job to worry about. Go cash your government check loser
National Park Service .. Run by the federal government is an example of Socialism.

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#5007 Dec 4, 2012
martinezjosei wrote:
Business's slow because of your socialist friend on the White House finding more ways to steal my money.
Either that or you just aren't very smart and you waste time online when you should be working.

I see signs of both.
Ron Paul 2016

United States

#5008 Dec 5, 2012
Keep fighting for freedom and liberty until the very end!: http://www.ronpaul16.com/please-run-for-presi...
Some Random Dude

Santa Cruz, CA

#5009 Dec 5, 2012
Aphelion wrote:
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Nice justification for being dependent on others to subsidize your existance.
I'm not going to dignify that with a real response. Call it whatever way you want, idiot.

Since: Jul 12

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#5010 Dec 5, 2012
Aphelion wrote:
Obama gives liberals a win … a rarity in their lives
The liberals are loving their opportunity to chant “we won you lost” and are taking every opportunity to do so. And why not? They as liberals are not winners by design. Usually last picked as children for games and sports, never a starter if they do participate, forever the outsider in competition.
This is why they are garner the dependent life, as they have been for most of their lives dependent on “luck” to achieve, the government to protect them from everything including themselves, and the taxpayers to support them. Failure is not their fault but that of the teacher, employer or some other target other than themselves.
Liberals are the founders of everyone gets a trophy, and that there are no losers. Why? Because to identify the losers would be to call themselves out. This is why they have attempted to usurp competition in our schools, from sports to academics, they attempt to convince people that we are all the same and that no one is better than the other. We are all winners. Unfortunately for them this is not the reality of the world, and as they attempt to reduce the number of winners in this country by diminishing their accomplishments and telling us that winning isn’t everything,… they out themselves as what to losers know about winning?
What reality do you live in?

Liberals won WW II. Liberals controlled the House for almost 40 consecutive years. This country was founded by Liberals.

These are indiputable facts. Not the rant of a raving lunatic like yourself.

Since: Jul 12

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#5011 Dec 5, 2012
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>Big difference in Social & Economical Ideaology during FDR'w time they believed in working for something vs today they dont believe in having to work for it, that is the difference.
Bunch of BS. Part of the stimulus package originally was a jobs program similar to what FDR used. It was the Republicans that blocked it. It is the Republicans that talk work but then run from it.

Remember all the disdain for having the area around the WH and Congress landscaped? That is exactly what a lot of the jobs during the Depression did in our national parks. Republicans ran from it and you can not hide from that fact.
Some Random Dude

Santa Cruz, CA

#5012 Dec 5, 2012
Aphelion wrote:
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National Park Service .. Run by the federal government
Just more of our current administration claiming to create jobs all the while policies under this administration are killing jobs.
Which policy under THIS administration is responsible for the loss of these 30 jobs?
Aphelion wrote:
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Not that you have a job to worry about. Go cash your government check loser
Quit projecting.
Some Random Dude

Santa Cruz, CA

#5013 Dec 5, 2012
okb2 wrote:
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What reality do you live in?
Liberals won WW II. Liberals controlled the House for almost 40 consecutive years. This country was founded by Liberals.
These are indiputable facts. Not the rant of a raving lunatic like yourself.
I don't think Aphelion's even bothering to mix the kool-aid with water anymore... he's just eating the crystals straight out of the package :)

Since: Jul 12

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#5014 Dec 5, 2012
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>Right, Capitalism places the Individual first before Society were as Socialism places Society before the Individual as seen here in the United States.
Funny, the military, LEOs and Firemen all do the same thing.

It is not one OR the other. It is a blend of the two that works best. The first law you put on free market capitalism you are instituting socialism (the good of the people over the individual).

Since: Jul 12

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#5015 Dec 5, 2012
Hibernian wrote:
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Yes, your post is total BS. It's getting easier and easier to sit on your ass and watch your big screen, call your buds on your Obama phone, and trade some food stamps for legal weed.
In 1960 in most states a house suitable for raising a family in did not have to have electricity or indoor plumbing. If the parents had to leave the kids at home alone so they could work no one said a thing.

When I was 6 I could be anywhere within about a one-mile cirlce of my house and no one said a thing......as long as I was home for supper.

I regularly walked to school which was one mile away.

An employer would save a job for a guy until he could show up to accept it. No phone required.

In 1940 no drivers license was required in most states.

All you are doing is blaming the guy at the bottom because you moved the goal posts (or support them being moved) and then did not pay them enough to keep up with the new requirements.

But then you are a Republican, aren't you.(Statement, not question)

Since: Jul 12

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#5016 Dec 5, 2012
Vance1 wrote:
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Right here in the USA for the last 200 yrs
Oh I must have forgot, You are a victim
Vance, it is a pleasure to see you prove how dumb and unknowlegeable Republicans are.

When the founding fathers placed the first tariff's on imported good, true capitalism ended.

Since: Jul 12

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#5017 Dec 5, 2012
Aphelion wrote:
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It wasn't so long ago that liberals were denouncing President George W. Bush for his administration's violations of civil liberties. It wasn't that long ago that panic gripped civil liberties advocates about the possibility of a "PATRIOT ACT II," which would erode our freedom even more than the first did. From warrantless domestic wiretapping to the use of military tribunals instead of trials for detainees to its authorization of the use of torture ("enhanced interrogation techniques"), the Bush administration was devastating for American civil liberties and, arguably, the Constitution.
When then-Senator Obama began his campaign in 2008, we hailed his promise to shut down the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay. President Obama, of course, has yet to do so.
Instead, we got what Salon.com dubbed "kinder, gentler" military commissions.
Instead, we got President Obama's signature of the National Defense Authorization Act, which included provisions permitting the indefinite detention of American citizens and their rendition to military authorities.(In fairness, Obama did issue a "signing statement" essentially promising not to use these provisions. However, these is no legal mechanism to hold him to that promise, nor is there any assurance that future presidents will do the same.)
Instead of a president dedicated to the preservation and even restoration of civil liberties we had thought we voted in, we got a president who is now being criticized for not protecting our civil liberties by the lawyer responsible for justifying the Bush administration's authorization of torture. The Los Angeles Times ran an op-ed titled, "Obama: A disaster for civil liberties."
Yet for some reason, American liberals have fallen deafeningly silent about President Obama's failures when it comes to civil liberties. Most of my left-leaning friends will concede that this administration has been disappointing on civil liberties -- it is hard to argue otherwise. But while some may grudgingly concede the president's failures on protecting civil liberties, few do so with the passion and urgency they once did under our previous president.
Why? Certainly part of it has to do with the fact that the current president is a Democrat, and there is a degree of partisan loyalty at work -- just as, under President Bush, many Republicans remained close-mouthed about his violations of civil liberties (which were not few). But there is something else at work here. That is, many liberals are loathe to criticize President Obama for any failure, out of a fear that, if they do, we will have someone much, much worse come January 2013. The Obama administration has learned from this, and has realized that it can get away with nearly anything without worrying about still having to court the left.
read more
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/noah-baron/obam...
I still disagree with the "UN"Patriot Act. I think one of things Obama did wrong was extend. Unfortunately, the Republicans in the House can not bring themselves to admit their folly and how wrong they were and vote the thing down. And the Democrats in the Senate follow right along.

To be fair, Obama did take out some of the more nauseous parts, but like GITMO, it should go.

Since: Jul 12

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#5018 Dec 5, 2012
Yeah wrote:
<quoted text>lol! You know? I sometimes wonder... if rich people complain there aren't anymore opportunities in America... then why are they still here???
I agree.

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#5019 Dec 5, 2012
okb2 wrote:
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Vance, it is a pleasure to see you prove how dumb and unknowlegeable Republicans are.
When the founding fathers placed the first tariff's on imported good, true capitalism ended.
The Founding Fathers would charge today's big government progressives with treason.

"Describing ObamaCare as an 'entrepreneurial' bill,[Nancy] Pelosi advised artistic Americans to quit their jobs with the assurance that the new health care law would pick up the tab for their health insurance."
http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2012/07/02/artists-...

Pelosi would be one of the first to face the hangman.

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#5020 Dec 5, 2012
okb2 wrote:
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I still disagree with the "UN"Patriot Act. I think one of things Obama did wrong was extend. Unfortunately, the Republicans in the House can not bring themselves to admit their folly and how wrong they were and vote the thing down. And the Democrats in the Senate follow right along.
To be fair, Obama did take out some of the more nauseous parts, but like GITMO, it should go.
The original House (357-66) and Senate (98-1) vote for the Patriot Act proves if you give politicians the opportunity to gain more power and control over our lives, they'll grab it.

Don't hold your breath waiting to get it back.

BTW, Barack Hussein Obama, the first president to have an American citizen assassinated (tried, convicted, executed without due process) kept the "nauseous" no-warrant wiretapping.

Since: Jul 12

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#5021 Dec 5, 2012
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>anywhere there is government intrusion.
And what freedoms did you gain. Medicine as an example. You can have some certainty that the Medicine you purchase will not kill you and it will probably help with what ails you. Thanks to government intrusion.

You can be somewhat assured that the broadcasts you listen to won't be disrupted by someone else broadcasting on the same frequency. Thanks to government intrusion.

You can get weather forecasts that are fairly accurate 3 - 4 days ahead thanks to government intrusion.

Car safety, building standards, desease control, aircraft safety.......

Since: Jul 12

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#5022 Dec 5, 2012
Aphelion wrote:
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National Park Service .. Run by the federal government
Just more of our current administration claiming to create jobs all the while policies under this administration are killing jobs.
Not that you have a job to worry about. Go cash your government check loser
Creating jobs does not mean all jobs are saved or replaced. How many jobs will be created by the estuary? Eventually the oysters will have to be harvested for the good of the estuary, perhaps they are being over harvested at this time?

Since: Jul 12

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#5023 Dec 5, 2012
La Santa Muerte wrote:
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The Founding Fathers would charge today's big government progressives with treason.
"Describing ObamaCare as an 'entrepreneurial' bill,[Nancy] Pelosi advised artistic Americans to quit their jobs with the assurance that the new health care law would pick up the tab for their health insurance."
http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2012/07/02/artists-...
Pelosi would be one of the first to face the hangman.
Actually you have no idea what the founding fathers would do. They acted based on the reality of their time, presented with "new" realities they may have been much more socialist than you think.

As an example, they knew that education was a key to success for what they were trying to achieve. They did not trust it to the "free" market or capitalism, instead they chose socialism to provide it for the masses.

In their world, they did not even have a pain killer beyond whiskey is they had to cut your leg or arm off. They had no idea how something became infected so they never sterilized anything leading to more problems. They have no vaccines to protect them from desease or treatment for malaria (a big problem at the time along with dysentary.)

Given today's medical capabilities what makes you think they would not be for socialized medicine as well? In fact, medicine in the US is more socialized than it is in any other western nations other than England and Canada. Germany, France, Japan and the others have more capitalistic medicine than we do today.

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