What the 2012 election taught us

What the 2012 election taught us

There are 10317 comments on the The Washington Post story from Nov 6, 2012, titled What the 2012 election taught us. In it, The Washington Post reports that:

We've been scouring the data for clues as to what we should learn from what happened tonight as President Obama relatively easily claimed a second term.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at The Washington Post.

Eric Gustafson

Yorktown, VA

#2836 Nov 21, 2012
Great link !
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>In this article, you'll explore capitalism: its roots, principles and effects, benefits and shortcomings. You'll find out how capitalism compares to the alternative method of doing business. Incidentally, the United States doesn't actually practice capitalism. No one does these days.
Befor­e the Industrial Revolution in the 1800s, countries like Britain and the United States had true capitalist economies. With industrialization, though, came sweat shops, social protest and resulting government intervention in the form of fair labor laws. That's when real capitalism ended.
Today, the economies of nations that are typically referred to as capitalist are in fact mixed economies -- they incorporate certain aspects of capitalism and certain aspects of planed economies. In pure capitalism, things like child labor laws, Social Security, anti-discriminatory hiring practices and a minimum wage have no place. Capitalism rejects all government intervention in economic matters.
The basis of capitalism is individualism. The economic system stems from humanistic ideals of the 18th century European Enlightenment -- beliefs that each human being is individually unique and valuable. This mode of thinking was a turning point. Before the Enlightenment, governments didn't talk about human rights. But in this vision of humanity, a society made up of unique individuals who pursue their individual interests is healthy -- it's characterized by progress, spiritual and worldly wealth, and liberty. Individuals are not just free to pursue self-interested goals; they should pursue self-interested goals.
http://money.howstuffworks.com/capitalism.htm

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#2837 Nov 21, 2012
Eric Gustafson wrote:
Great link !
<quoted text>
that link explains explains Capitalism very well and how True Capitalism works besides the fact why the US is not based on Capitalism but has been taught to believe that American Capitalism is Capitalism but in Reality its American or US Socialism because the Federal Government is involved economically and has been since day of the founding of the United States which can be found in Aricle 1 Section 8 of the US Constitution.

Since: Nov 12

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#2839 Nov 22, 2012
Eric Gustafson wrote:
Real cuts over the last 2 year by Republicans in the House of Representative resulted in 600,000 public servants around the nation to include Emergency Responders, and Teachers, being cut. If we are all in this together, shouldn't the pain be shared?
Surely we can cut defense spending and the blot within that agency, since we cut firemen and policemen off of the streets in America.
The Obama proposal to allow the Bush Cuts to automatically expire only hit, if the Republicans stand up for the Middle Class; those with substantial earnings who haven't missed a beat in the nightmare Bush Economic disaster. As a matter of fact just in the last 3 years their wealth has multiplied greater than at any other time in history.
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LOL! Sure.

Tell you what - how about providing a source proving republicans are responsible for the increased cutting of "firemen and policemen off of the streets", or am I just supposed to take your uber-partisan word for it?

Here's a question - why do you leftists continue to call the recession the "Bush Economic disaster" when CLEARLY evidence proves both parties are responsible?

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#2840 Nov 22, 2012
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>In this article, you'll explore capitalism: its roots, principles and effects, benefits and shortcomings. You'll find out how capitalism compares to the alternative method of doing business. Incidentally, the United States doesn't actually practice capitalism. No one does these days.
Befor­e the Industrial Revolution in the 1800s, countries like Britain and the United States had true capitalist economies. With industrialization, though, came sweat shops, social protest and resulting government intervention in the form of fair labor laws. That's when real capitalism ended.
Today, the economies of nations that are typically referred to as capitalist are in fact mixed economies -- they incorporate certain aspects of capitalism and certain aspects of planed economies. In pure capitalism, things like child labor laws, Social Security, anti-discriminatory hiring practices and a minimum wage have no place. Capitalism rejects all government intervention in economic matters.
The basis of capitalism is individualism. The economic system stems from humanistic ideals of the 18th century European Enlightenment -- beliefs that each human being is individually unique and valuable. This mode of thinking was a turning point. Before the Enlightenment, governments didn't talk about human rights. But in this vision of humanity, a society made up of unique individuals who pursue their individual interests is healthy -- it's characterized by progress, spiritual and worldly wealth, and liberty. Individuals are not just free to pursue self-interested goals; they should pursue self-interested goals.
http://money.howstuffworks.com/capitalism.htm
and that 'true capitalism' didn't work thhat well did it? the markets and banking systems didn't work that well. human rights didn't work that well. people are actually more free to pursue their individual interests when the system works and ins reliable.

Since: Nov 12

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#2841 Nov 22, 2012
Yeah wrote:
<quoted text>There's nothing the government is doing or enforcing upon others.
The government is enforcing nothing on us tax payers, huh?

Is it possible a person could be this indoctrinated - this ignorant?

Since: Nov 12

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#2842 Nov 22, 2012
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>that link explains explains Capitalism very well and how True Capitalism works besides the fact why the US is not based on Capitalism but has been taught to believe that American Capitalism is Capitalism but in Reality its American or US Socialism because the Federal Government is involved economically and has been since day of the founding of the United States which can be found in Aricle 1 Section 8 of the US Constitution.
No matter how many times you type it, the U.S. is NOT based in socialism. Not yet, anyway.
Not Real Sure

Artesia, NM

#2843 Nov 22, 2012
Yeah wrote:
<quoted text>lol! Really son? There's nothing the government is doing or enforcing upon others.
So far all I see is your opinion.
Really Pops ? What are TAXES ? What about The new healthcare laws ? What about Federal Law ? What the hell do you mean The government enforces nothing upon others.....???? You need to take some Focus Factor.... These are things yes ,The Government enforce upon us .....some of course are needed ,others are not...never the less , they are enforced....

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#2844 Nov 22, 2012
Not Real Sure wrote:
<quoted text>Really Pops ? What are TAXES ? What about The new healthcare laws ? What about Federal Law ? What the hell do you mean The government enforces nothing upon others.....???? You need to take some Focus Factor.... These are things yes ,The Government enforce upon us .....some of course are needed ,others are not...never the less , they are enforced....
No doubt this Yeah person one of the takers, enjoying the benefits of "Obama's stash".

Since: Jul 12

Washington, DC

#2845 Nov 22, 2012
Brad wrote:
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What you overlook is this administration has spent 4 years trying to assign blame as opposed to creating or supporting policies that facilitate economic growth and job creation.
How about we close the chapter on Oblamers first term and concede that Bush was indeed to blame,for everything?
Can we finally move on to,maybe,just maybe,addressing the deep rooted problems we all face?
Or will the next 4 years be about blaming Bush for global warming or the demise of the spotted owl?
To say they did not try is just a lie. An outright lie.

In 2009 and 2010 (two years) the Republicans in the Senate blocked more bills than in the 50s, 60s and 70s COMBINED. Consider these were the years that Medicare, Medicaid, Civil Rights Act, Affirmative Action, EPA, OSHA and many other prominent bills were passed.

He has every right to lay blame at the feet of Republicans.

Since: Aug 11

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#2846 Nov 22, 2012
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>and that 'true capitalism' didn't work thhat well did it? the markets and banking systems didn't work that well. human rights didn't work that well. people are actually more free to pursue their individual interests when the system works and ins reliable.
Right, just like Karl Marxs said True Capitalism will fail and why some form of Socialsim exist and that is what you get when Government gets involved economically.

Since: Aug 11

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#2847 Nov 22, 2012
La Santa Muerte wrote:
<quoted text>
No matter how many times you type it, the U.S. is NOT based in socialism. Not yet, anyway.
the hell understand economics, TARP is another example of Socialism where the Federal Government got involved, Capitalism rejects its.
Not Real Sure

Artesia, NM

#2848 Nov 22, 2012
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>you are proving to be a Useful Idiot and not helping the Political Right's cause.
Bruce Bartlett
Bruce Reeves Bartlett (b. October 11, 1951, in Ann Arbor, Michigan) is an American historian whose area of expertise is supply-side economics. He served as a domestic policy adviser to President Ronald Reagan and as a Treasury official under President George H. W. Bush.
Bartlett has written several books and magazine articles critical of the George W. Bush Administration, whose economic policies he believes significantly depart from traditional conservative principles.
Criticism of George W. Bush administration
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Bartlett#C...
Impostor: How George W. Bush Bankrupted America and Betrayed the Reagan Legacy
by Bruce Bartlett
http://www.conservativebookservice.com/produc...
Former Reagan Advisor angry Bush 'bankrupted America'
BRUCE BARTLETT: Bankrupt America? Yes, I think that we have had something like a $20 trillion increase in the national debt under this president's watch and I think that one of these days, I don't know when, but one of these days, the chickens are going to come home to roost.
http://www.deepjournal.com/p/7/a/en/590.html
Bruce Bartlett is an idiot,,,,he contradicts everything he says....
Not Real Sure

Artesia, NM

#2849 Nov 22, 2012
This is what Bruce says in short !!!!! It is easier to cut taxes when you raise taxes.....wtf...what an idiot
Yeah

Mililani, HI

#2850 Nov 22, 2012
La Santa Muerte wrote:
<quoted text>
The government is enforcing nothing on us tax payers, huh?
Is it possible a person could be this indoctrinated - this ignorant?
lol! Hey son, if you have a "clearer picture," then by all means post it and the link.

Asking questions in response to a fact doesn't make you look all that bright!

Since: Nov 12

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#2851 Nov 22, 2012
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>the hell understand economics
What does this mean?

I understand basic economics. I also understand we were NOT a country founded on socialism.
Yeah

Mililani, HI

#2852 Nov 22, 2012
Not Real Sure wrote:
<quoted text>Really Pops ? What are TAXES ? What about The new healthcare laws ? What about Federal Law ? What the hell do you mean The government enforces nothing upon others.....???? You need to take some Focus Factor.... These are things yes ,The Government enforce upon us .....some of course are needed ,others are not...never the less , they are enforced....
lol! You were talking housing son. And that's how I answered. You're branching out because you don't have an accurate response to it.

As for Federal law, the US Constitution IS THE LAW of the land.

Seems to me I'm pretty much on track!

If I'm wrong, please let me know that the US Constitution wasn't around when the states fought their way into the federation.

Sheeeh! Cons can be so idiotic!
Yeah

Mililani, HI

#2853 Nov 22, 2012
La Santa Muerte wrote:
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No doubt this Yeah person one of the takers, enjoying the benefits of "Obama's stash".
lol! Not really son. Obamacare doesn't affect me!
Yeah

Mililani, HI

#2854 Nov 22, 2012
Not Real Sure wrote:
This is what Bruce says in short !!!!! It is easier to cut taxes when you raise taxes.....wtf...what an idiot
lol! You mean like Romney? When he said he would reduce unemployment by increasing employment?

Since: Aug 11

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#2855 Nov 22, 2012
La Santa Muerte wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL! Sure.
Tell you what - how about providing a source proving republicans are responsible for the increased cutting of "firemen and policemen off of the streets", or am I just supposed to take your uber-partisan word for it?
Here's a question - why do you leftists continue to call the recession the "Bush Economic disaster" when CLEARLY evidence proves both parties are responsible?
both parties were, Clinton administration was just like Calvin Coolidge's adminstration(Roaring 20's) and the Bush Adminstration was just like Hoover's Adminstartion(Black Tuesday) and Obama is FDR coming in to stablize the ecomonical mess.
Yeah

Mililani, HI

#2856 Nov 22, 2012
La Santa Muerte wrote:
<quoted text>
What does this mean?
I understand basic economics. I also understand we were NOT a country founded on socialism.
lol! And we weren't one founded under capitalism either son!

So what's your point?

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