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In Our View: Obama spoke passionately to all Americans

There are 7 comments on the The Columbian story from Mar 18, 2008, titled In Our View: Obama spoke passionately to all Americans. In it, The Columbian reports that:

Fittingly, the son of a black father from Kenya and a white mother from Kansas spoke to all Americans about race on Tuesday.

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Athy

Northridge, CA

#1 Mar 18, 2008
***** Shoutout to Journalists and/or anyone else that can assist *****
Does anyone know if any type of relationship exists (or existed in past) between David Axelrod (Sen Obama’s political campaign strategist) or any of his companies and Moveon.org and/or MoveOn.org Civic Action and/or MoveOn.Org Political Action. In some material that I have read, he is referred to as a founder or co-founder of MoveOn org . I am trying to verify.

I do not have journalist’s credentials to interview him (David Axelrod) directly.
I recently read the following very disturbing articles about companies that David Axelrod, Barack Obama’s political strategist, is involved with:
http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/c...
Businessweek,“The Secret Side of David Axelrod -The master of “Astroturfing: has a second firm that shapes public opinion for corporations- by Howard Wolinsky 3/14/08

http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html...
The New Republic, "Race Man" by Sean Wilentz.

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20070219/hayes
The Nation, "Obama"s Media Maven" by Chrisptoher Hayes. 2/19/08 issue

Needless to say, I am concerned since Moveon.org recently endorsed Sen. Obama for president.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/01/move...
Huffington Post “MoveOn Endorses Obama” by Nedra Pickler, 2/1/08

If anyone can locate anything, please either investigate yourself and write about it, and/or forward leads on this thread (include links-if possible- to the source for your facts).

Thanks …

Since: Mar 06

Location hidden

#2 Mar 19, 2008
Just the endorsement of Moveon.org is enough to worry the average voter.

DobyTheDoggy

“The face you love to hate!”

Since: Jan 08

Gatorade...is it in you? HAHA!

#3 Mar 19, 2008
Athy wrote:
***** Shoutout to Journalists and/or anyone else that can assist *****
Does anyone know if any type of relationship exists (or existed in past) between David Axelrod (Sen Obama’s political campaign strategist) or any of his companies and Moveon.org and/or MoveOn.org Civic Action and/or MoveOn.Org Political Action. In some material that I have read, he is referred to as a founder or co-founder of MoveOn org . I am trying to verify.
I do not have journalist’s credentials to interview him (David Axelrod) directly.
I recently read the following very disturbing articles about companies that David Axelrod, Barack Obama’s political strategist, is involved with:
http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/c...
Businessweek,“The Secret Side of David Axelrod -The master of “Astroturfing: has a second firm that shapes public opinion for corporations- by Howard Wolinsky 3/14/08
http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html...
The New Republic, "Race Man" by Sean Wilentz.
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20070219/hayes
The Nation, "Obama"s Media Maven" by Chrisptoher Hayes. 2/19/08 issue
Needless to say, I am concerned since Moveon.org recently endorsed Sen. Obama for president.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/01/move...
Huffington Post “MoveOn Endorses Obama” by Nedra Pickler, 2/1/08
If anyone can locate anything, please either investigate yourself and write about it, and/or forward leads on this thread (include links-if possible- to the source for your facts).
Thanks …
When we won Iowa, the Clinton campaign said it's not the number of states you win, it's "a contest for delegates."

When we won a significant lead in delegates, they said it's really about which states you win.

When we won South Carolina, they discounted the votes of African-Americans.

When we won predominantly white, rural states like Idaho, Utah, and Nebraska, they said those didn't count because they won't be competitive in the general election.

When we won in Washington State, Wisconsin, and Missouri -- general election battlegrounds where polls show Barack is a stronger candidate against John McCain -- the Clinton campaign attacked those voters as "latte-sipping" elitists.

And now that we've won more than twice as many states, the Clinton spin is that only certain states really count.

But the facts are clear.

For all their attempts to discount, distract, and distort, we have won more delegates, more states, and more votes.

Meanwhile, more than half of the votes that Senator Clinton has won so far have come from just five states. And in four of these five states, polls show that Barack would be a stronger general election candidate against McCain than Clinton.
Athy

Los Angeles, CA

#4 Mar 23, 2008
Part 1 of 2
People need to focus on Sen Obama’s actions…not his words.

Reason why conservatives & republicans LOVE HIM is because he VOTES on major issues like they do-against the middle class. see vote analysis.

Sen Obama cares about poverty and the middle class?
He has sabotaged efforts in Congress to pass bills that support the middles class.
Sen Obama has been called a Liberal, Progressive Democrat? Based on what? You decide…

http://www.beyondchron.org/articles/The_Obama...

Beyondchron.org , The Obama Craze: Count Me out “ by Matt Gonzalez 2/27/08

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080211/fraser

The Nation,“Subprime Obama” by Max Fraser

1/24/08 Post 2/11/08 issue
http://www.motherjones.com/commentary/columns...

Mother Jones,“ I am Barack Obama” by Mark Winston Griffith 3/17/08

Sen Obama unethical?.....You decide…

How much pressure is being placed on black delegates to Vote for Sen Obama?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/...

Washington Post,“For Black Superdelegates, Pressure to Back Obama”, by Shailagh Murray, 3/3/08; AO1

http://blackmissouri.com/digest/emanuel-cleav...

blackmissouri.com ,“Emanuel Cleaver of Missouri Endorses Hillary Clinton” 2/15/08

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php...

NPR,“Loyalty vs. Voters: A Superdelegate's Dilemma”, All Things Considered, 2/15/08

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/27/civi...

Huffington Post,“Civil Rights Icon Lewis Officially Switches From Clinton to Obama” by Ben Evans, 2/27/08
Athy

Los Angeles, CA

#5 Mar 23, 2008
Part 2
Who is given the most money to date to Superdelegates?

Sen Obama $710,900
Sen Clinton $236,100

http://www.capitaleye.org/inside.asp...

The Center for Responsive Politics has found that campaign contributions have been a generally reliable predictor of whose side a superdelegate will take

http://colorado.indymedia.org/node/479

Colorado Indy Media 3/19/08

Obama- A uniter ? You decide….

He hired his campaign manager-David Axelrod-who has made a niche for himself by marketing black candidates-Obama team promotes racial division so Obama gets the sympathetic whites & angry black votes. Read on…

http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html...

The New Republic, "Race Man" by Sean Wilentz

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20070219/hayes

The Nation, "Obama"s Media Maven" by Chrisptoher Hayes. 2/19/08 issue

Sen Obama’s Campaign Manager-David Axelrod-Ethical?...You Decide:

http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/c...

Businessweek,“The Secret Side of David Axelrod -The master of “Astroturfing: has a second firm that shapes public opinion for corporations- by Howard Wolinsky 3/14/08

Sen Obama STRONGLY against the Iraq invasion?
You decide…
Sen Joe Lieberman (strongly pro-Iraq invasion) was being opposed in the CT Senate race by Ned Lamont- a VERY popular candidate who ran on strong Iraq War opposition platform.

Sen Obama flew in to CT to support Lieberman.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/02/nyregion/02...

“Suppport for War Tests Lieberman’s Re-election Prospects” by William Yardley , New York Times, 4/2/06

Sen Obama talks about certain race issues but omits discussion on a VERY IMPORTANT RACE ISSUE:

Reparations for slavery both in the U.S and in Africa-

Last year Sen Obama supported the very controversial 3rd ward Ald. Dorothy Tillman in her runoff against an independent candidate.

Tillman is one of the most important and
outspoken U.S advocates of reparations for slavery.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/miller/309639,CS...

SunTimes Commentary-“Will 3rd Ward politics affect Obama's presidential race?“ by Rich Miller 3/23/07

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorothy_Tillman

What about Sen Obama’s position regarding reparations for slavery from western and ex-colonial European powers for Africa and African nations?

During the 2001 UN-sponsored World Conference against Racism, many African nations demanded an apology-plus other things- from ex-colonial European nations for the role they (European nations) had in promoting the slave trade. Why doesn’t Sen Obama ever discuss this very important ‘race’ issue.

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/africa/09/...

Trust action…not words…

You decide…
Athy

Los Angeles, CA

#6 Mar 23, 2008
Part 3

I question Sen Obama’s knowledge base and integrity when he speaks to Americans about anything dealing with war, peace, security.

You can tell a lot about what kind of president someone will be by the people he/she surrounds themself with.

I question the motives and the capabilities of some of Sen Obama’s foreign policy advisors including Dr Susan Rice and Zbigniew Brzezinski (ZB).

Dr Susan Rice- a 1986 Stanford graduate and Rhodes scholar with a doctorate from Oxford University, According to Richard Miniter, in his book “Losing Bin Laden”, She strongly encouraged the US to reject Sudan's offer to turn over Osama Bin Laden during 1996 to 1997?(During that time Dr Rice was the Clinton administration’s Secretary of State for African Affairs and she was a former assistant National Security Advisor under Sandy Berger.) Didn’t her opinion to reject Sudan’s offer to turn over Osama Bin Laden overrule the opinion of Tim Carney- who was, at the time, ambassador to Sudan? Yes, according to many including the highly respected and well-connected & knowledgeable author of this book- Miniter-

Carney was urging US govt to grab Bin Laden while they had the chance.

We still remember what happened a few years later on 9/11. Why has this not been brought up for public discussion

It was swept under the rug...

“Thanks But No Thanks-How the U.S. Missed a Chance to Get Bin Laden"
by Jennifer Gould, The Village Voice, 10/30/01

http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0144,gould,2...

Dr Rice- An example of her good judgment? You decide. AN example of Sen Obama's good judgement for selecting her to be member of his foreign policy team? You decide...
Athy

Los Angeles, CA

#7 Mar 23, 2008
Part 4

Sen Obama selected Zbigniew Brzezinski -ZB- to be part of his foreign policy team.
People around the world want to bring him –plus Henry Kissenger-up on war criminal charges for the global atrocities committed-stemming from their advice to president(s) they were working for.

ZB has written books on why the US should seek control of Iran if US wants to maintain its global primacy in Euroasia(i.e. oil).

Although Sen Obama (and Sen McCain) has not enorsed Kyl-Lieberman ammendment, I am confused about his position on using pre-emptive force against Iran. He has been flip-flopping during past year-see timeline. Sen Clinton voted for Kyl-Lieberman Amendment, which designates the Iranian National Guard as a terrorist organization. She has been accused of doing this to maintain support of Jewish voters-who fear Iran as a threat.

Vote as follows:76 yeas, 22 nays, 2 not voting- Obama, McCain.

Sen Obama has been endorsed by ZB- who has written several books & articles in support of the US" taking control of Iran. Sen. Obama took on ZB as a foreign advisor last year after ZB endorsed him for president.

I am not sure what Sen. Obama"s position is with regards to war with Iran. Will he or won't he take America into a pre-emptive attack on Iran-as Recommended by ZB about 10 years ago???

Why has this not been brought up for public discussion?

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/context.js...

“Context of 'October 1997: Brzezinski Highlights the Importance of Central Asia to Achieving World Domination” Cooperative Research History Commons-
Why we need to control Iran...

http://www.infowars.com/...

“Meet Obama’s Foreign Policy Brain: Zbigniew Brzezinski” By Aidan Monaghan 911 Blogger 2/20/08

ZB once supported the creation and U.S support of Islamic forces in Afghanistan 1979-1980 (forces that were ultimately led by Osama Bin Laden) in effort to combat the communist Russians.

Z.- Brzezinski An example of his good judgment? You decide. Sen Obama-an example of his good judgement for selecting ZB? You decide.

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