Atheists on the march in America

Atheists on the march in America

There are 70629 comments on the TurkishPress.com story from Aug 26, 2009, titled Atheists on the march in America. In it, TurkishPress.com reports that:

When South Florida atheists held their first meeting, they were just five friends, having a beer at a bar.

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postscriptt

Albuquerque, NM

#66271 Dec 23, 2012
polymath257 wrote:
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Your information is out of date.
Out of date and inaccurate, or just contrary to your point of view? I notice you tend to rely on this schtick when you are confronted with opposing scientific perspectives that challenge your own. If you refute the findings of scientists when they disagree, you can't expect the public to do any less with your interpretations. This is, after all, a public forum.
postscriptt

Albuquerque, NM

#66272 Dec 23, 2012
As a pantheist, a proponent of metaphysics and the natural spirituality of the human psyche, I can see how orthodox religion fails as an organized belief system, but I can also see how science is twice as vulnerable of falling into the same trap. Some of its unfortunate results threaten humankind with a physical destruction far more immediate than religion's threat of an afterlife hell. A possible holocaust that destroys the entire world seen as an "act of God" is one thing to the public - the same destruction brought on by the misuse of science is quite another. The public will undermine science in the most insidious ways before it will permit it to destroy the world it is supposed to be exploring. While science produces, mankind will enjoy the fruits of its labor, but let him decide that science has served its purposes, let him be convinced science serves only science and is willing to sacrifice even planetary life to satisfy bloated, neurotic appetites and the public will close off funds, foundations and grants with unbelievable swiftness. Science will find itself in the same shoes as modern orthodox religion - splintered, robbed of its fury, thunder and effectiveness.

The fallibility of science, as practiced, is becoming increasingly obvious to the public. Science cannot afford to go on inventing more sophisticated weapons of mass destruction, wantonly polluting the planet with its industrial technology, maiming and killing people with its dubious Pharma while divorcing itself from the study of moral values or the innate rights of human consciousness.

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#66273 Dec 23, 2012
So if you believe in God, you're not claiming that God exists?
Seriously?
postscriptt wrote:
I don't accept the Christian version of God. There are many versions of diety by the way, become acquainted with the different models.
Since I didn't mention the Christian version of God, I fail to see how your statement addresses my question.

If you insist, however, I'll rephrase it.

If you believe in a version of deity, are you not claiming that your particular version of deity exists?

Yes or no?

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#66274 Dec 23, 2012
postscriptt wrote:
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By Jove, I think you've got it! Remove dark matter and insert Intelligent Design and read your post again. I realize it's one of those "trigger" words that cause atheist folks to seize up like a bull's arse in January, but try it anyway.
You use Wikipedia quite freely as a source to support your comments, but let an opponent do the same and Wikipedia suddenly becomes untrustworthy and questionable. Now why is that? ;)
You are projecting, I don't use it that often, and wikipedia requires sources or marks the unsupported claims. Secondly, there is no evidence of any intelligence involved in the existence of our universe. When you find it, it would be of great interest, until then it is nothing but a baseless assertion, so try again.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#66275 Dec 23, 2012
postscriptt wrote:
As a pantheist, a proponent of metaphysics and the natural spirituality of the human psyche, I can see how orthodox religion fails as an organized belief system, but I can also see how science is twice as vulnerable of falling into the same trap. Some of its unfortunate results threaten humankind with a physical destruction far more immediate than religion's threat of an afterlife hell. A possible holocaust that destroys the entire world seen as an "act of God" is one thing to the public - the same destruction brought on by the misuse of science is quite another. The public will undermine science in the most insidious ways before it will permit it to destroy the world it is supposed to be exploring. While science produces, mankind will enjoy the fruits of its labor, but let him decide that science has served its purposes, let him be convinced science serves only science and is willing to sacrifice even planetary life to satisfy bloated, neurotic appetites and the public will close off funds, foundations and grants with unbelievable swiftness. Science will find itself in the same shoes as modern orthodox religion - splintered, robbed of its fury, thunder and effectiveness.
The fallibility of science, as practiced, is becoming increasingly obvious to the public. Science cannot afford to go on inventing more sophisticated weapons of mass destruction, wantonly polluting the planet with its industrial technology, maiming and killing people with its dubious Pharma while divorcing itself from the study of moral values or the innate rights of human consciousness.
So instead of one doomsday myth, you buy into another. Demonstrate that the world is more dangerous or violent than ... well ... any point in known history. Go ahead, pick any point in history and show that it was more peaceful and safer than now. Dare you to try.
postscriptt

Albuquerque, NM

#66277 Dec 23, 2012
Drew Smith wrote:
So if you believe in God, you're not claiming that God exists?
Seriously?
<quoted text>
Since I didn't mention the Christian version of God, I fail to see how your statement addresses my question.
If you insist, however, I'll rephrase it.
If you believe in a version of deity, are you not claiming that your particular version of deity exists?
Yes or no?
I am saying that I accept the idea.

Since: Mar 11

Portage, MI

#66278 Dec 23, 2012
Out of date and inaccurate.

Also the idea of dark matter comes from actual observations, whereas God the intelligent designer comes from starting at the answer and working backwards filling in any unknown with God done it!

Lmfao!
postscriptt wrote:
<quoted text>
Out of date and inaccurate, or just contrary to your point of view? I notice you tend to rely on this schtick when you are confronted with opposing scientific perspectives that challenge your own. If you refute the findings of scientists when they disagree, you can't expect the public to do any less with your interpretations. This is, after all, a public forum.
postscriptt

Albuquerque, NM

#66279 Dec 23, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
So instead of one doomsday myth, you buy into another. Demonstrate that the world is more dangerous or violent than ... well ... any point in known history. Go ahead, pick any point in history and show that it was more peaceful and safer than now. Dare you to try.
Do you really expect to find examples of nonviolence when both science and religion (two systems of beliefs underpining civilization)condone violence?

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#66281 Dec 23, 2012
postscriptt wrote:
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Do you really expect to find examples of nonviolence when both science and religion (two systems of beliefs underpining civilization)condone violence?
No, I expect you to back up your claims with some evidence. Your inferred claim was that we are worse off today than .... well one could only assume another point in history, in spite of the fact that this is the most peaceful time, we live the longest, and most of us live pretty awesome lives as well. Compared to previous eras, this is literally the best time to be alive. So, back up your claims or learn to stop making them.
Thinking

Leighton Buzzard, UK

#66282 Dec 23, 2012
Strawman cuntard.
postscriptt wrote:
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Do you really expect to find examples of nonviolence when both science and religion (two systems of beliefs underpining civilization)condone violence?
buckwheat

Tulsa, OK

#66283 Dec 23, 2012
postscriptt wrote:
<quoted text>
As god-stuff incarnate we have been given all the tools necessary to create a sane and just society in which to live - not only privately but at large. God doesn't create the terrors and glories we experience during our physical existence, WE DO. And until we can accept that responsibility, we will go on encountering one heinous human created catastrophe after another. The next time you go to the WalMart, get a brain.
You're the one who believes in a fairy tale. If you truly think there is a god somewhere in space, you are the one who needs a brain. There is no god, no heaven and no afterlife. Grow the fcuk up. That crap was created to control the people and passed on to children who grew into simpletons such as yourself.

I don't understand how intelligent people, who could not be scammed out of their money by the best grifters, will willingly hand it over by the handful to someone who claims it is for god.

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#66284 Dec 23, 2012
If you believe in a version of deity, are you not claiming that your particular version of deity exists?
Yes or no?
postscriptt wrote:
I am saying that I accept the idea.
Do you believe in a version of deity? Yes or no?

Do you claim that a version of deity exists? Yes or no?
postscriptt

Albuquerque, NM

#66285 Dec 23, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
No, I expect you to back up your claims with some evidence. Your inferred claim was that we are worse off today than .... well one could only assume another point in history, in spite of the fact that this is the most peaceful time, we live the longest, and most of us live pretty awesome lives as well. Compared to previous eras, this is literally the best time to be alive. So, back up your claims or learn to stop making them.
That's rich! You come up with claims based on your own misinterpretations and I'm supposed to verify them? You crack me up!

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#66286 Dec 23, 2012
postscriptt wrote:
<quoted text>
That's rich! You come up with claims based on your own misinterpretations and I'm supposed to verify them? You crack me up!
So this looming apocalypse you implied was not your assertion? Therefore there is no increase in danger, pollutions, or threats of any sort. Good. Glad we agree on something.
postscriptt

Albuquerque, NM

#66287 Dec 23, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
So this looming apocalypse you implied was not your assertion? Therefore there is no increase in danger, pollutions, or threats of any sort. Good. Glad we agree on something.
As stated in my post, the calamity I see is the one awaiting science if it continues along its chosen course.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#66288 Dec 23, 2012
postscriptt wrote:
<quoted text>
As stated in my post, the calamity I see is the one awaiting science if it continues along its chosen course.
Oh, so you are just wishing for a doomsday.

Hey, if you like looking a gift horse in the mouth, more power to you. However, science has extended your life from 20 years to 100 years ... and soon even more. It has made it possible for you to sleep at night without the worry of plagues. You can now buy food that's not only fresh, but safe to eat, at any time of the day or year. You don't have to work 18 hours a day just to get enough food to survive on, that's a really awesome thing scientific research has given us. You have a computer to type your lame posts on every day, connected to billions of people, all thanks to scientific research. You probably have a phone. I mean, without all that we'd be just fine, right?
postscriptt

Albuquerque, NM

#66289 Dec 23, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>Hey, if you like looking a gift horse in the mouth, more power to you. However, science has extended your life from 20 years to 100 years ... and soon even more.
The use of soap and water has done more to extend the lives of humans than anything else. But let's say your asssertion is true. What's the point of extending life when the quality of life has been compromised by the same science? Do you find something particularly appealing about living under a pall of pollution, or drinking water contaminated by industrial technology?
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>It has made it possible for you to sleep at night without the worry of plagues.
It isn't plagues that give me pause to wonder, but the arrival of super bugs due to the overuse of antibiotics. Modern medicine finds inself in a quandary. It can't fight these virulent strains of viruses using the same chemical substances that caused the problem in the first place.
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>You can now buy food that's not only fresh, but safe to eat, at any time of the day or year.


Tell that to people recovering from severe bouts of E-coli and salmonella in hospitals.
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>You don't have to work 18 hours a day just to get enough food to survive on, that's a really awesome thing scientific research has given us.
Which doesn't explain why backyard gardens and organic foods are making a comeback.
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>You have a computer to type your lame posts on every day, connected to billions of people, all thanks to scientific research. You probably have a phone. I mean, without all that we'd be just fine, right?
If you expect me to lay down my life for science because I have a computer and a phone, it's not going to happen. Generations past did just fine without these conveniences.

Since: Mar 11

Salem, IN

#66290 Dec 23, 2012
Oh backing up claims is like torture to a believer. Why oh why can't we just accept their imagination created ideas as fact?
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
No, I expect you to back up your claims with some evidence. Your inferred claim was that we are worse off today than .... well one could only assume another point in history, in spite of the fact that this is the most peaceful time, we live the longest, and most of us live pretty awesome lives as well. Compared to previous eras, this is literally the best time to be alive. So, back up your claims or learn to stop making them.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#66291 Dec 23, 2012
postscriptt wrote:
<quoted text>
The use of soap and water has done more to extend the lives of humans than anything else. But let's say your asssertion is true. What's the point of extending life when the quality of life has been compromised by the same science? Do you find something particularly appealing about living under a pall of pollution, or drinking water contaminated by industrial technology?
<quoted text>
It isn't plagues that give me pause to wonder, but the arrival of super bugs due to the overuse of antibiotics. Modern medicine finds inself in a quandary. It can't fight these virulent strains of viruses using the same chemical substances that caused the problem in the first place.
<quoted text>
Tell that to people recovering from severe bouts of E-coli and salmonella in hospitals.
<quoted text>
Which doesn't explain why backyard gardens and organic foods are making a comeback.
<quoted text>
If you expect me to lay down my life for science because I have a computer and a phone, it's not going to happen. Generations past did just fine without these conveniences.
1. Prove it, polio was not cured by just soap and water, AIDS won't be either.

2. You mean newly evolved strains. We figure out how to fight those like all the others.

3. Most e-coli outbreaks are from farms that did not use enough chemicals, ironically, because e-coli is just a natural bacteria that is in almost everything. But transporting food products that are not properly preserved will always give the bacteria a nice little breeding environment.

4. Lots of crazy fads come and go. This too shall pass.

5. Previous generations had to work 18 hours a day just to provide the barest essentials. The great thing is, you don't have to "lay down your life" for science, it's religion that demands blood sacrifices, scientists would rather you keep the blood inside you.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#66292 Dec 23, 2012
Givemeliberty wrote:
Oh backing up claims is like torture to a believer. Why oh why can't we just accept their imagination created ideas as fact?
<quoted text>
It's like pulling teeth without Novocain.

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