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Maryland Gay Marriage Could Hinge on Black Churches

There are 9646 comments on the The Skanner story from Mar 1, 2012, titled Maryland Gay Marriage Could Hinge on Black Churches. In it, The Skanner reports that:

With Maryland poised to legalize gay marriage, some conservative opponents and religious leaders are counting on members of their congregations, especially in black churches, to upend the legislation at the polls this fall.

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Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#9531 Dec 31, 2012
WaterBoarder wrote:
<quoted text>
Uh oh...I must have struck a nerve. Making too much sense?
The schools don't teach "heterosexuality". There is no program aimed a such a thing. But I have linked repeatedly to curriculum aimed at teaching our youngest of children about homosexuality. See the difference?
I did PROVE that your marriage affects my family by how it changes our culture and what will be taught to my children in public schools if your friends continue with their agenda. I am not blaming all gays for this agenda. I am just pointing out that it exists and its not just about you and your rights.
And "black kids integrated into white schools"? What the hell are you talking about? I simply don't want the public schools teaching my kids a view on sexuality that I disagree with. Its not about YOU or any other gay person. Its about MY kids and MY family.
Yes, you're right. It's ALL about YOU! The gay kids in the class don't matter to you. The kids with gay parents don't matter to you. The kids who love their gay aunt or uncle don't matter to you. All you care about is that you get to tell your kids who's good and who's bad. And the schools better not provide an actual information that the children could use to make up their own minds.

Really, I am constantly amazed by how badly parents underestimate children's ability to comprehend and assess. When a parent says they need to protect their child's innocense, they usually mean that they--as parents--can't deal with it. But the fact is that it's very simple and the child can deal with it better than the parents.

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AOL

#9532 Dec 31, 2012
WaterBoarder wrote:
<quoted text>
So this means that if you are "homosexual" its okay but if you are "heterosexual" then its not?
But below you say "homosexual" didn't even exist yet.
This is why I keep saying you guys are throwing stuff against the wall hoping something will stick.
The Bible is clear and consistent on this issue. "Do not" means "do not". How you feel about it doesn't come into play. That is just more nonsense.
<quoted text>
This is one of the best ones. This is the "but the Bible doesn't condemn gay sex in a loving, committed relationship" argument.
True. It never mentions the feelings at all. It just says don't do it.
And the Bible "instances of same-sex emotional intimacy"? That is so absurd I dare not even address it! Are we talking about David and Jonathon here? Maybe...and a very BIG maybe...some sexual line was crossed in one verse. Again...maybe! But celebrated?!?
I think you need to realize that posting a quote from another person does not make a real argument. Please stop!
Gays and gay activists know that their biggest obstacle to gaining favor in the public's eye is religious doctrine. Specifically, the Bible. So somehow...someway...they are going to get that Book to say what the want!
Yet after all the "analysis" and discussion we still open up our Bibles and the words are still there! That must be so frustrating for you guys!
The word "homosexual" did not exist. Yet clearly, there were people who we today would call "homosexual" as well as those we would call "bisexual" and "heterosexual". They did not have that language nor conceptualization at the time.

They also had pagan fertility ritual sex. Not a common practice today, but was common at various times and places during the time of Jesus and long before. Some of the words that have been mistranslated make it clear they were talking about pagan ritual sex, not committed relationships based on mutual love and respect: "I Cor 6:9, no way refers to homosexuality. The original Greek word often quoted as sexual immorality, Paul used was "porneia" which means "a harlot for hire".

And you are correct that most gay equal rights supporters recognize the only remaining obstacle to legal equality remains a few mistranslated and misinterpreted bible verses. And yes, it id frustrating knowing when you open your bible and see those mistranslations and misinterpretations you still use them to justify causing needless harm and to ignore the Golden Rule.

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#9533 Dec 31, 2012
(correction) And yes, it is frustrating knowing when you open your bible and see those mistranslations and misinterpretations you still use them to justify causing needless harm and to ignore the Golden Rule.

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Since: Dec 08

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#9534 Dec 31, 2012
Polygamy and brother/sister incest marriage are illegal in many states; same sex marriage is legal in EVERY state, even though very few states license same sex unions.

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Since: May 09

The OC

#9535 Dec 31, 2012
nhjeff wrote:
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Actually, they're not persuading children of anything. They're merely presenting facts about the world that the children see about them.
Well we are just going to have to agree to disagree there Jeff.

But can you explain why they need to "present the facts" each year about gay relationships to children as young as kindergarten with a targeted curriculum?

Why do they need to present these facts? Simply to "educate" about the world? Why so young? Social studies doesn't start for years.

Come on Jeff. You are a smart guy and I know you see the goal here. It is to help these little ones accept homosexuals in our society.

Denying something so obvious just makes you appear disingenuous.

Since: Dec 12

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#9536 Dec 31, 2012
Brian_G wrote:
Polygamy and brother/sister incest marriage are illegal in many states; same sex marriage is legal in EVERY state, even though very few states license same sex unions.
No point again I see.

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Since: May 09

The OC

#9537 Dec 31, 2012
nhjeff wrote:
<quoted text>
No. You're just a pervert. Everytime you see two gay men together, your mind goes straight to what they do with each other in the bedroom. That makes you a pervert. You'll have to tell us whether it makes you gay or not. I really don't care. There are gay perverts and straight perverts. All I know is you're a pervert and you're vocal about it.
Actually Jeff when I see two men together I tend to look away. That is what you folks call the "Eww factor" and it is something your friends actively seek to change.

Perhaps if I got some of this new grade school training that has come out lately I would have been "cured" of this affliction.

Since: Dec 12

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#9538 Dec 31, 2012
WaterBoarder wrote:
<quoted text>
Well we are just going to have to agree to disagree there Jeff.
But can you explain why they need to "present the facts" each year about gay relationships to children as young as kindergarten with a targeted curriculum?
Why do they need to present these facts? Simply to "educate" about the world? Why so young? Social studies doesn't start for years.
Come on Jeff. You are a smart guy and I know you see the goal here. It is to help these little ones accept homosexuals in our society.
Denying something so obvious just makes you appear disingenuous.
I like your soft approach towards this subject.

Given your numerous past posts in which you hammered gays by giving them your intent hatred of them this post looks a little like Hitler escorting a train load of Jewish kids into the gas chamber by gently escorting them off the platform.

LOL!!!

If kindergardners can be given facts of life they can understand at an early age is bad then let's just not potty train them until they're 13 years old you moron.

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#9539 Dec 31, 2012
WaterBoarder wrote:
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Actually Jeff when I see two men together I tend to look away. That is what you folks call the "Eww factor" and it is something your friends actively seek to change.
Perhaps if I got some of this new grade school training that has come out lately I would have been "cured" of this affliction.
You need to be cured of mor than that in my opinion.

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Since: May 09

The OC

#9540 Dec 31, 2012
nhjeff wrote:
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Yes, you're right. It's ALL about YOU! The gay kids in the class don't matter to you. The kids with gay parents don't matter to you. The kids who love their gay aunt or uncle don't matter to you. All you care about is that you get to tell your kids who's good and who's bad. And the schools better not provide an actual information that the children could use to make up their own minds.
Really, I am constantly amazed by how badly parents underestimate children's ability to comprehend and assess. When a parent says they need to protect their child's innocense, they usually mean that they--as parents--can't deal with it. But the fact is that it's very simple and the child can deal with it better than the parents.
No Jeff they do matter. They matter greatly. That is why I am all for gay teachers not being discriminated against. I am all for a zero tolerance anti-bullying policy. That is why I have taught my children the real Christian response to gay classmates (John 8:1-11) which is to protect and stick up for them.

What I am against is the schools teaching my kids their views on sexuality and sexual morality. That is not education. Yes, the schools should demand everyone respect one another. And the schools have every right to manage my each child's behavior while at school.

But that is not what the curriculum does or is aimed at. It seeks to teach our youngest of children a particular view of sexuality and it does it with or without parental consent.

Since: Dec 12

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#9541 Dec 31, 2012
WaterBoarder wrote:
<quoted text>
No Jeff they do matter. They matter greatly. That is why I am all for gay teachers not being discriminated against. I am all for a zero tolerance anti-bullying policy. That is why I have taught my children the real Christian response to gay classmates (John 8:1-11) which is to protect and stick up for them.
What I am against is the schools teaching my kids their views on sexuality and sexual morality. That is not education. Yes, the schools should demand everyone respect one another. And the schools have every right to manage my each child's behavior while at school.
But that is not what the curriculum does or is aimed at. It seeks to teach our youngest of children a particular view of sexuality and it does it with or without parental consent.
Don't lie. It paints you the fool especially when everyone can read those documents.

All that program did was do advise kiddies there are other forms of sexuality out there.

Big wahoo.

If WaterBoarder Junior grows older and starts getting chubbies in his 11th grade chemistry class the fact he knew about gays at a much younger age through school isn't going to point his dick in any other direction than he wants so your fears are baseless.

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Since: Aug 08

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#9542 Dec 31, 2012
nhjeff wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, you're right. It's ALL about YOU! The gay kids in the class don't matter to you. The kids with gay parents don't matter to you. The kids who love their gay aunt or uncle don't matter to you. All you care about is that you get to tell your kids who's good and who's bad. And the schools better not provide an actual information that the children could use to make up their own minds.
Really, I am constantly amazed by how badly parents underestimate children's ability to comprehend and assess. When a parent says they need to protect their child's innocense, they usually mean that they--as parents--can't deal with it. But the fact is that it's very simple and the child can deal with it better than the parents.
Awesome post........I wish I had come across in the same manner:-)

Happy New Year to you and yours.....may it be bright and prosperous:-)

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Since: Aug 08

MUST BEGIN WITH A SINGLE STEP!

#9543 Dec 31, 2012
WaterBoarder wrote:
What I am against is the schools teaching my kids their views on sexuality and sexual morality. That is not education.
I don't believe ANY school is teaching about sexuality or sexual morality as you claim.........and looking at your link doesn't show that either!!!

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Since: May 09

The OC

#9544 Dec 31, 2012
Not Yet Equal wrote:
<quoted text>
The word "homosexual" did not exist. Yet clearly, there were people who we today would call "homosexual" as well as those we would call "bisexual" and "heterosexual". They did not have that language nor conceptualization at the time.
They also had pagan fertility ritual sex. Not a common practice today, but was common at various times and places during the time of Jesus and long before. Some of the words that have been mistranslated make it clear they were talking about pagan ritual sex, not committed relationships based on mutual love and respect: "I Cor 6:9, no way refers to homosexuality. The original Greek word often quoted as sexual immorality, Paul used was "porneia" which means "a harlot for hire".
And you are correct that most gay equal rights supporters recognize the only remaining obstacle to legal equality remains a few mistranslated and misinterpreted bible verses. And yes, it id frustrating knowing when you open your bible and see those mistranslations and misinterpretations you still use them to justify causing needless harm and to ignore the Golden Rule.
How is it that the vast majority of Christendom believes the Bible says exactly what it appears to say with regards to gay sex? My pastor holds a doctorate and can read the original languages of the Bible. Did he miss that one? Is he in on some kind of conspiracy to keep the gay man down? Does he simply hate you? Are they all in on this hate-based conspiracy?

And why is it that virtually the only people that come up with all this stuff are gays and their supporters?

Sorry...I don't buy it. Gay theology is creative interpretation and outright nonsense.

And I don't buy the whole "love is more important" argument. It wreaks of the either/or fallacy. EITHER you are ignoring the Bible and accept the whole "its okay to be gay" deal OR you hate gays and seek to harm them. Right?

I think for myself and my views are more complex and thought out.

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#9545 Dec 31, 2012
Wakanatabi wrote:
No point again I see.
There is no ban on same sex marriage ANYWHERE in the USA.

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#9546 Dec 31, 2012
Wakanatabi wrote:
<quoted text>
Don't lie. It paints you the fool especially when everyone can read those documents.
All that program did was do advise kiddies there are other forms of sexuality out there.
Big wahoo.
If WaterBoarder Junior grows older and starts getting chubbies in his 11th grade chemistry class the fact he knew about gays at a much younger age through school isn't going to point his dick in any other direction than he wants so your fears are baseless.
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#9547 Dec 31, 2012
NorCal Native wrote:
<quoted text>
Awesome post........I wish I had come across in the same manner:-)
Happy New Year to you and yours.....may it be bright and prosperous:-)
You both assume much. Please don't stereotype my beliefs and respond to what I actually write.

And if you must continue fawning all over each other please get a room!

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The OC

#9548 Dec 31, 2012
NorCal Native wrote:
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Actually, yea they do more than you know.....in fact every where we look.....Heterosexuality is being displayed as right, from the match.com and eharmony commercials, to the Viagra and Cialis advertisements, to how people perceive those who are different.......so, yes......our daily lives are inundated with how wonderful heterosexuality is.....and frankly, I don't care......but don't ya think that it's just as important to show the same thing with regards to Gays and Lesbians who are a part of society, working, paying taxes and so many other day to day activities that show them as regular everyday people? You make it sound as though being Gay or Lesbian is wrong, degrading or just perverted and if you had your way, that's probably how you'd like kids to be taught, right? See, what you're truly afraid of is the fact that Gays and Lesbians are just like you and any other straight person......and that's bad because then you have some unjustified fear that they will somehow become Gay or Lesbian, which is just a fallacy on your part. See, being Gay or Lesbian is as innate as being straight is........and the funny thing is......KIDS know that!!!
Sorry, but unless you keep your kids in a vacuum......they already know more about Gays and Lesbians than you want them to.....and they aren't being taught about the sexuality aspect of being Gay or Lesbian, but about the fact that Gays and Lesbians are a part of society and have been so since the beginning of time!!!
And again......my marriage doesn't affect you or your family......just like your marriage and family don't affect me!!!
Now, I've tried to explain things to you, but all you care about are your views and your way of life......well, then my suggestion to you is......move someplace where you are not surrounded by ANYONE that you don't specifically approve of.....then you can have ABSOLUTE control over yourself and your family.....Peace to you and yours......seems you're going to need it!!!
So because TV commercials tend to exclusively show man/woman relationships public schools get to teach homosexual acceptance to kindergartners?

And I am not trying to keep my kids from seeing gays or knowing they exist. I am not even trying to keep schools from suppressing or censoring such things. I have been clear in my posts that I want the opposite.

I have been clear and consistent on these points:

1) Public schools have developed and are implementing curriculum aimed at teaching a particular view of sexuality to our youngest of children.

2) A main goal of this teaching is for the homosexual community to enjoy greater public acceptance in future generations.

3) When presented the facts at first gays deny it exists. However - once this truth has been proven - virtually all gays and their supporters change their tune and agree with this teaching and its goals.

4) By walking you folks through this exercise I have proven your true intolerance and lack of respect for the rights of other families. What you are ultimately after is full public acceptance of your sexuality and you will attain it by any means necessary.

Sorry but this is not the role of our public schools and certainly is not EDUCATION. There is an entirely different name for this kind of thing.

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MUST BEGIN WITH A SINGLE STEP!

#9549 Dec 31, 2012
WaterBoarder wrote:
My pastor holds a doctorate and can read the original languages of the Bible.
Let me ask you a question......how many bible scholars do you believe hold a Doctorate Degree in Theological Studies? How many do you think can read the original languages of the bible? Now, how many of them would and do disagree with your Pastor?

Hence just because one can do those things, doesn't mean they're interpretation is the correct one.....just that it is the one they opt to believe because it goes along with their belief in general about homosexuality.

Here's another one.......how many Commandments were given to the Jews regarding what they should do, eat, wear, sexual practices and other aspects of their lives? There were 613 Commandments given to them......how many do you think MIGHT have concerned the possibility of "GAY" sex? There was only one and it's questionable that it applies to just "GAY" men!!!

Here are the 613 Mitzvot Commandments:
http://www.jewfaq.org/613.htm

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The OC

#9550 Dec 31, 2012
NorCal Native wrote:
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I don't believe ANY school is teaching about sexuality or sexual morality as you claim.........and looking at your link doesn't show that either!!!
You see what you want to see.

Why else would they be presenting "King and King" to kindergartners? Random entertainment? They are trying to get these little ones to see gay relationships as normal and amoral.

Just because you agree with their goal doesn't change their intentions.

Now please spare me the diatribe on how I want to shield my kids or teach then to hate you. I have already explained I do nothing of the sort.

I wish to teach my kids about sexuality and loving others from my perspective and that of my chosen religion.

And let me make this clear. I want to teach my kids to love and even protect gays because they are human beings, Jesus loves and died for them, we are no better, etc. That is my right and what Christianity REALLY teaches. The schools and your friends want to teach my kids to love gays because homosexuality is amoral.

The school is not trying to teach or manage the child's behavior (zero tolerance for bullying) but the personal morality for the behavior.

Its wrong. And its not education at all.

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