Who still takes global warming seriou...

Who still takes global warming seriously?

There are 30925 comments on the Farmington Daily Times story from Jan 28, 2010, titled Who still takes global warming seriously?. In it, Farmington Daily Times reports that:

Despite the recent discovery of the e-mails that resulted in "Climate Gate" and the fact this has been one of the coldest and harshest winters in many years, Gov.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at Farmington Daily Times.

ObamaSUX

Calgary, Canada

#31017 Jan 19, 2013
HomoSapiensLaptopicus wrote:
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SUX-
Do you read English? Are you capable of that? I'll say this AGAIN:
I TOLD you, John Tyndall, in the middle of the 19th century, showed how infrared radiation could be absorbed & re-emitted by atmospheric gases. That process happens when the gas is COOLER than the ground.
The earth emits IR EMR (electromagnetic radiation), some of the gases in the atmosphere, REGARDLESS OF TEMPERATURE, absorb & re-emit some of that radiation back toward the ground, warming it. The atmosphere can be freezing cold, yet because of this absorption & re-emission of IR EMR, it can still help the sun warm the earth.
This DOES NOT VIOLATE THE SECOND LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS. PERIOD.
blah blah
Just as I PREDICTED the AGW CULT LIAR COULD NOT POST:

- EVEN "ONE" MEASUREMENT, EVER DONE DONE, IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND WHERE ANY COLD OBJECT HAS EVER "HEATED-UP" A WARMER OBJECT
- EVEN "ONE" MEASUREMENT WHERE THE COLDER ATMOSPHERE HAS "HEATED-UP" A WARMER EARTH

Instead, as I PREDICTED, He just posted MORE CULT BABBLE.

It's THAT SIMPLE to EXPOSE THESE AGW CULT LIARS.

http://www.topix.com/forum/news/global-warmin...
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WTF does John Tyndall's 19th Century work have to do with ANY MEASUREMENT WHERE THE COLDER ATMOSPHERE HAS EVER "HEATED-UP" A WARMER EARTH ???

Don't YOU KNOW that John Tyndall just showed that infrared is absorbed and emitted by atmospheric gasses.

John Tyndall DID NOT PRODUCE "ANY" MEASUREMENT "EVER", where the COLD ATMOSPHERE EMISSIONS EVER HEATED-UP A WARMER EARTH, YOU LYING AGW IDIOT!
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The COLD ATMOSHERIC EMISSIONS can ONLY BE RADIATED TO A COOLER OBJECT, like COLD SPACE, EXACTLY AS THE 2nd LAW STATES.

“Second Law of Thermodynamics: It is NOT POSSIBLE for heat to flow from a colder body to a warmer body without any work having been done to accomplish this flow. Energy will not flow spontaneously from a low temperature object to a higher temperature object.”
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/th...

There is not:

- EVEN "ONE" MEASUREMENT, EVER DONE DONE, IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND WHERE ANY COLD OBJECT HAS EVER "HEATED-UP" A WARMER OBJECT
- EVEN "ONE" MEASUREMENT WHERE THE COLDER ATMOSPHERE HAS "HEATED-UP" A WARMER EARTH

And THAT'S WHY YOU CAN'T POST "ANY" MEASUREMENT.

THAT INCLUDES YOUR LIE ABOUT JOHN TYNDALL WHO NEVER "EVER" MADE ANY SUCH MEASUREMENT !!!

THE MEASUREMENTS DO NOT EXIST and your "LIE" about there being "BILLIONS" of these MEASUREMENTS has been EXPOSED BY THE TRUTH....AGAIN.
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Like I said before:

"Watch as Homo-ody has another Panic Attack and RUNS FOR THE HILLS because he was CONFRONTED with the TRUTH again.

Homo-ody and the rest of the AGW CULT can't post the Measurements they LIE ABOUT because THEY DO NOT EXIST.

So, they will call me every name under the Sun, post more CULT BABBLE but NONE OF THESE CULT IDIOTS will be able to POST those PHANTOM MEASUREMENTS.

Like ALL CULTS, the AGW CULT cannot stand it when their LIES are EXPOSED BY THE TRUTH.

For the Normal People reading this, WATCH and LEARN about the AGW CULT."
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Now you Normal People have WITNESSED the AGW CULT in action and Homo-ody WILL CONTINUE EXACTLY AS I JUST DESCRIBED ABOVE.

The AGW CULT behaviour is COMPLETELY PREDICTABLE, so WATCH and LEARN about the AGW CULT.
ObamaSUX

Calgary, Canada

#31018 Jan 19, 2013
HomoSapiensLaptopicus wrote:
SUX,
Again, you can call me a dumbass idiot in capitals as much as you want, but it won't change scientific FACTS.
Did you actually READ the links I provided to you? Let's post them again. You're at your computer & have internet access. You're certainly capable of calling people names in English, maybe you can actually READ it also, IDK.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Tyndall
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiative_forcin...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectroscopy
Let's thrown in a few more for good measure. If you read these carefully, you MIGHT actually understand a bit of the science. You'll know more than just insulting names to call people. You might actually LEARN something! Just think!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_gas
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svante_Arrhenius
Again, there is still heat transfer from warmer to cooler parts of the earth & atmosphere, as one would expect from the 2nd law of thermodynamics. blah blah
Yes, I read ALL your AGW CULT LINKS and THERE IS NOT EVEN ONE MEASUREMENT IN THEM !!!

What a SURPRISE!
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Like I POSTED BEFORE:

"You SAID:

"That is, THE ATMOSPHERE HELPS THE SUN WARM THE EARTH, even though it's significantly cooler than the surface. This is a scientific fact. There are not just thousands, but many millions, perhaps billions, of measurements that support this."

NOW, CAN YOU POST:

- EVEN "ONE" MEASUREMENT, EVER DONE DONE, IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND WHERE ANY COLD OBJECT HAS EVER "HEATED-UP" A WARMER OBJECT ?
- EVEN "ONE" MEASUREMENT WHERE THE COLDER ATMOSPHERE HAS "HEATED-UP" A WARMER EARTH ?

I say these Measurements DO NOT EXIST and that YOU ARE A JUST ANOTHER AGW CULT LIAR.

So, Either POST THEM or ADMIT that YOU ARE A LIAR and these PHANTOM MEASUREMENTS DO NOT EXIST.

It's THAT SIMPLE, DUMBASS."
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/global-warmin...
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Homo-ody has once AGAIN shown that he is a LYING AGW CULT MEMBER.

Like I said before:

"Watch as Homo-ody has another Panic Attack and RUNS FOR THE HILLS because he was CONFRONTED with the TRUTH again.

Homo-ody and the rest of the AGW CULT can't post the Measurements they LIE ABOUT because THEY DO NOT EXIST.

So, they will call me every name under the Sun, post more CULT BABBLE but NONE OF THESE CULT IDIOTS will be able to POST those PHANTOM MEASUREMENTS.

Like ALL CULTS, the AGW CULT cannot stand it when their LIES are EXPOSED BY THE TRUTH.

For the Normal People reading this, WATCH and LEARN about the AGW CULT."
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Now you Normal People have WITNESSED the AGW CULT in action AGAIN and Homo-ody WILL CONTINUE EXACTLY AS I HAVE DESCRIBED ABOVE.

The AGW CULT behaviour is COMPLETELY PREDICTABLE, so continue to WATCH and LEARN about the AGW CULT.
PHD

Cibolo, TX

#31019 Jan 19, 2013
More scientific science fiction. They really really don't know.

Since: Jan 13

Location hidden

#31020 Jan 19, 2013
SUX,

You can capitalize all you want, & call me any names you want. You're just repeating your inanity. Your attitudes & posts don't change scientific fact.

Every single time temperature is measured in the upper atmosphere, where it's cold, & on the earth, where it's warm, PROVES I'm right & you're wrong. Tyndall's experiments show you why. This science has been known for more than 150 years.

The colder atmosphere can help the sun keep the earth warm by absorbing & re-emitting IR EMR. Why don't you try to read about the earth's atmosphere? This article has lots of information (& measurements) about how cold the earth's atmosphere gets, as low as -150º C at the mesopause. I'd imagine even you'd admit the earth's surface is generally quite a bit warmer than that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmosphere_of_Ea...

Let's quote them:

"The atmosphere of Earth is a layer of gases surrounding the planet Earth that is retained by Earth's gravity. The atmosphere protects life on Earth by absorbing ultraviolet solar radiation, warming the surface through heat retention (greenhouse effect), and reducing temperature extremes between day and night (the diurnal temperature variation)."

Then let's look at the greenhouse effect:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_effec...

"The greenhouse effect is a process by which thermal radiation from a planetary surface is absorbed by atmospheric greenhouse gases, and is re-radiated in all directions. Since part of this re-radiation is back towards the surface and the lower atmosphere, it results in an elevation of the average surface temperature above what it would be in the absence of the gases."

I quoted the 1st paragraph of each article. If you think those articles are written by "AGW cultists," then grow HALF a gonad & sign on there at Wiki. If you have facts & logic on your side, in the small-D democratic Wiki community you'll prevail.

But of course you won't do that because at heart you're a coward. All you can do is call me names in capitals & repeat the same mistakes over & over again.

Scientific facts are true no matter how many times you scream that they're not.
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#31021 Jan 19, 2013
HomoSapiensLaptopicus wrote:
SUX,
You can capitalize all you want, & call me any names you want. You're just repeating your inanity. Your attitudes & posts don't change scientific fact.
Every single time temperature is measured in the upper atmosphere, where it's cold, & on the earth, where it's warm, PROVES I'm right & you're wrong. Tyndall's experiments show you why. This science has been known for more than 150 years.
The colder atmosphere can help the sun keep the earth warm by absorbing & re-emitting IR EMR. Why don't you try to read about the earth's atmosphere? This article has lots of information (& measurements) about how cold the earth's atmosphere gets, as low as -150º C at the mesopause. I'd imagine even you'd admit the earth's surface is generally quite a bit warmer than that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmosphere_of_Ea...
Let's quote them:
"The atmosphere of Earth is a layer of gases surrounding the planet Earth that is retained by Earth's gravity. The atmosphere protects life on Earth by absorbing ultraviolet solar radiation, warming the surface through heat retention (greenhouse effect), and reducing temperature extremes between day and night (the diurnal temperature variation)."
Then let's look at the greenhouse effect:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_effec...
"The greenhouse effect is a process by which thermal radiation from a planetary surface is absorbed by atmospheric greenhouse gases, and is re-radiated in all directions. Since part of this re-radiation is back towards the surface and the lower atmosphere, it results in an elevation of the average surface temperature above what it would be in the absence of the gases."
I quoted the 1st paragraph of each article. If you think those articles are written by "AGW cultists," then grow HALF a gonad & sign on there at Wiki. If you have facts & logic on your side, in the small-D democratic Wiki community you'll prevail.
But of course you won't do that because at heart you're a coward. All you can do is call me names in capitals & repeat the same mistakes over & over again.
Scientific facts are true no matter how many times you scream that they're not.
GORD/SUXOBAMA is either very, very stupid or he has a job to do. You're not going to have much luck either way, just like the rest of us haven't.

And he sees us all RUNNING FOR THE HILLS because of his powerful arguments, which goes right along with his delusion that putting on more clothes will keep you cool.

Since: Jan 13

Location hidden

#31022 Jan 19, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
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GORD/SUXOBAMA is either very, very stupid or he has a job to do. You're not going to have much luck either way, just like the rest of us haven't.
And he sees us all RUNNING FOR THE HILLS because of his powerful arguments, which goes right along with his delusion that putting on more clothes will keep you cool.
Yes, he does see us all running for the hills because of his "powerful arguments"... ROFLMAO!

It can be fun to goad him. All he does is post long rants full of insults in all caps, & repeat his same incorrect understandings of the science. Hopefully the lurkers (& regular posters) can just scroll past his verbal diarrhea - unless it REALLY amuses them, LOL.

Maybe all that extra clothing he puts on is making both of his brain cells freeze.

Since: Jan 13

Fairfax, VA

#31023 Jan 19, 2013
ObamaSUX wrote:
<quoted text>
Just as I PREDICTED the AGW CULT LIAR COULD NOT POST:
- EVEN "ONE" MEASUREMENT, EVER DONE DONE, IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND WHERE ANY COLD OBJECT HAS EVER "HEATED-UP" A WARMER OBJECT
- EVEN "ONE" MEASUREMENT WHERE THE COLDER ATMOSPHERE HAS "HEATED-UP" A WARMER EARTH
The most conclusive evidence for the greenhouse effect – and the role CO2 plays – can be seen in data from the surface and from satellites. By comparing the Sun’s heat reaching the Earth with the heat leaving it, we can see that less long-wave radiation (heat) is leaving than arriving (and since the 1970s, that less and less radiation is leaving the Earth, as CO2 and equivalents build up). Since all radiation is measured by its wavelength, we can also see that the frequencies being trapped in the atmosphere are the same frequencies absorbed by greenhouse gases.
Disputing that the greenhouse effect is real is to attempt to discredit centuries of science, laws of physics and direct observation. Without the greenhouse effect, we would not even be here to argue about it.
http://www.skepticalscience.com/does-greenhou...
Others are:

Scientific papers that prove empirical evidence that 20th century changes in average global temperatures are linked to human emissions of CO2 and that the current changes are unusual

Fourier, J.-B. J. 1824. "Memoire sur les Temperatures du Globe Terrestre et des Espaces Planetaires." Annales de Chemie et de Physique 2d Ser. 27, 136-167.

Tyndall, J. 1859. "Note on the Transmission of Radiant Heat through Gaseous Bodies." Proceed. Roy. Soc. London 10, 37-39.
Arrhenius, S.A. 1896. "On the Influence of Carbonic Acid in the Air upon the Temperature of the Ground." Phil. Mag. 41, 237-275.
Manabe, S. and R.F. Strickler, 1964. "Thermal Equilibrium of the Atmosphere with a Convective Adjustment." J. Atmos. Sci. 21, 361-385.
Suess, H.E. 1955. "Radiocarbon Concentration in Modern Wood." Sci. 122, 415-417.
Revelle, R. and H.E. Suess 1957. "Carbon Dioxide Exchange between Atmosphere and Ocean and the Question of an Increase of Atmospheric CO2 During the Past Decades." Tellus 9, 18-27.
Hanel, R. A., and B. J. Conrath 1970. "Thermal Emission Spectra of Earth and Atmosphere from Nimbus-4 Michelson Interferometer Experiment." Nature 228, 143-&.
Hoffert, Martin I., Covey, Curt 1992. "Deriving Global Climate Sensitivity from Palaeoclimate Reconstructions." Nature 360, 573-576.
Harries, J.E., H.E. Brindley, P.J. Sagoo, and R.J. Bantges 2001. "Increases in greenhouse forcing inferred from the outgoing longwave radiation spectra of the Earth in 1970 and 1997." Letter, Nature, 410, 355-357.
Griggs, J.A. and J.E. Harries 2004. "Comparison of spectrally resolved outgoing longwave data between 1970 and present." EUMETSAT Conference and Workshop Proceedings 2004.
Philipona, R., B. Du"rr, C. Marty, A. Ohmura, and M. Wild 2004. "Radiative Forcing--Measured at Earth's Surface--Corroborate the Increasing Greenhouse Effect." Geophys. Res. Lett. 31, L03202
Hegerl Gabriele C., Crowley Thomas J., Hyde William T., Frame David J. 2006. "Climate Sensitivity Constrained by Temperature Reconstructions over the Past Seven Centuries." Nature 440, 1029-1032 (letter).
W.F.J. Evans, W.F.J., and E. Puckrin 2006. "Measurements of the Radiative Surface Forcing of Climate." 18th Conference on Climate Variability and Change, P1.7
Rowa*n T. Sutton, Buwen Dong, and Jonathan M. Gregory (2006) Land/sea warming ratio in response to climate change: IPCC AR4 model results and comparison with observations, Geophysical Research Letters, Vol. 34, L02701, pp. 1-5
http://atmosdyn.yonsei.ac.kr/nrl/seminar/Sutt...
Royer, D.L. 2006. "CO2-forced climate thresholds during the Phanerozoic" Geochim. Cosmochim. Acta 70, 5665-5675.
Came R.E., J.M. Eiler, J. Veizer, K. Azmy, U. Brand, and C.R. Weidman 2007. "Coupling of surface temperatures and atmospheric CO2 concentrations during the Palaeozoic era." Nature 449, 198-201.

con't

Since: Jan 13

Fairfax, VA

#31024 Jan 19, 2013
ObamaSUX wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, I read ALL your AGW CULT LINKS and THERE IS NOT EVEN ONE MEASUREMENT IN THEM !!!
Need measurements?

The most conclusive evidence for the greenhouse effect – and the role CO2 plays – can be seen in data from the surface and from satellites. By comparing the Sun’s heat reaching the Earth with the heat leaving it, we can see that less long-wave radiation (heat) is leaving than arriving (and since the 1970s, that less and less radiation is leaving the Earth, as CO2 and equivalents build up). Since all radiation is measured by its wavelength, we can also see that the frequencies being trapped in the atmosphere are the same frequencies absorbed by greenhouse gases.

Disputing that the greenhouse effect is real is to attempt to discredit centuries of science, laws of physics and direct observation. Without the greenhouse effect, we would not even be here to argue about it.

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: Scientific papers that prove empirical evidence that 20th century changes in average global temperatures are linked to human emissions of CO2 and that the current changes are unusual

Fourier, J.-B. J. 1824. "Memoire sur les Temperatures du Globe Terrestre et des Espaces Planetaires." Annales de Chemie et de Physique 2d Ser. 27, 136-167.

Tyndall, J. 1859. "Note on the Transmission of Radiant Heat through Gaseous Bodies." Proceed. Roy. Soc. London 10, 37-39.

Arrhenius, S.A. 1896. "On the Influence of Carbonic Acid in the Air upon the Temperature of the Ground." Phil. Mag. 41, 237-275.

Manabe, S. and R.F. Strickler, 1964. "Thermal Equilibrium of the Atmosphere with a Convective Adjustment." J. Atmos. Sci. 21, 361-385.

Suess, H.E. 1955. "Radiocarbon Concentration in Modern Wood." Sci. 122, 415-417.

Revelle, R. and H.E. Suess 1957. "Carbon Dioxide Exchange between Atmosphere and Ocean and the Question of an Increase of Atmospheric CO2 During the Past Decades." Tellus 9, 18-27.

Hanel, R. A., and B. J. Conrath 1970. "Thermal Emission Spectra of Earth and Atmosphere from Nimbus-4 Michelson Interferometer Experiment." Nature 228, 143-&.

Hoffert, Martin I., Covey, Curt 1992. "Deriving Global Climate Sensitivity from Palaeoclimate Reconstructions." Nature 360, 573-576.

Harries, J.E., H.E. Brindley, P.J. Sagoo, and R.J. Bantges 2001. "Increases in greenhouse forcing inferred from the outgoing longwave radiation spectra of the Earth in 1970 and 1997." Letter, Nature, 410, 355-357.

Griggs, J.A. and J.E. Harries 2004. "Comparison of spectrally resolved outgoing longwave data between 1970 and present." EUMETSAT Conference and Workshop Proceedings 2004.

Philipona, R., B. Du"rr, C. Marty, A. Ohmura, and M. Wild 2004. "Radiative Forcing--Measured at Earth's Surface--Corroborate the Increasing Greenhouse Effect." Geophys. Res. Lett. 31, L03202

Hegerl Gabriele C., Crowley Thomas J., Hyde William T., Frame David J. 2006. "Climate Sensitivity Constrained by Temperature Reconstructions over the Past Seven Centuries." Nature 440, 1029-1032 (letter).

W.F.J. Evans, W.F.J., and E. Puckrin 2006. "Measurements of the Radiative Surface Forcing of Climate." 18th Conference on Climate Variability and Change, P1.7

Rowa*n T. Sutton, Buwen Dong, and Jonathan M. Gregory (2006) Land/sea warming ratio in response to climate change: IPCC AR4 model results and comparison with observations, Geophysical Research Letters, Vol. 34, L02701, pp. 1-5
http://atmosdyn.yonsei.ac.kr/nrl/seminar/Sutt...

Royer, D.L. 2006. "CO2-forced climate thresholds during the Phanerozoic" Geochim. Cosmochim. Acta 70, 5665-5675.

Came R.E., J.M. Eiler, J. Veizer, K. Azmy, U. Brand, and C.R. Weidman 2007. "Coupling of surface temperatures and atmospheric CO2 concentrations during the Palaeozoic era." Nature 449, 198-201.

Since: Jan 13

Fairfax, VA

#31025 Jan 19, 2013
Part II.

Griggs, J. A., and J. E. Harries 2007. "Comparison of spectrally resolved outgoing longwave radiation over the tropical Pacific between 1970 and 2003 using IRIS, IMG, and AIRS." Journal of Climate 20, 3982-4001.

Horton, D.E. et al. 2007. "Orbital and CO2 forcing of late Paleozoic continental ice sheets" Geophys. Res. Lett. L19708.

Fletcher, B.J. et al. 2008. "Atmospheric carbon dioxide linked with Mesozoic and early Cenozoic climate change" Nature Geoscience 1, 43-48.

Fu, Qiang and Celeste M. Johanson 2005. "Satellite-Derived Vertical Dependence of Tropical Tropospheric Temperature Trends." Geophys. Res. Lett. 32, L10703

Vinnikov, K.Y., N.C. Grody, A. Robock, R.J. Stouffer, P.D. Jones, and M.D. Goldberg 2006. "Temperature trends at the surface and in the troposphere." J. Geophys. Res. 111, D03106.
http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2006/2005JD0...

Knutti, R. and G. Hegerl 2008. "The equilibrium sensitivity of the earth's temperature to radiation changes." Nature Geoscience 1, 735-743.

W. M. Kurschner et al. 2008. "The impact of Miocene atmospheric carbon dioxide fluctuations on climate and the evolution of the terrestrial ecosystem"Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci. USA 105, 499-453.

Lean, J.L. and D.H. Rind 2008. "How natural and anthropogenic influences alter global and regional surface temperatures: 1889 to 2006." Geophys. Res. Lett. 35, L18701.

Sherwood, S.C., C.L. Meyer, R.J. Allen, and H.A. Titchner, 2008. "Robust Tropospheric Warming Revealed by Iteratively Homogenized Radiosonde Data." J. Clim. 21, 5336-5350.
http://camels.metoffice.gov.uk/quarc/Sherwood...

Zachos, J.C. 2008. "An early Cenozoic perspective on greenhouse warming and carbon-cycle dynamics" Nature 451, 279-283.

Allen, R.J. and S.C. Sherwood 2009. "Warming maximum in the tropical upper troposphere deduced from thermal winds." Nature Geosci. 1, 399 - 403.
http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/v1/n6/abs/... http://cce.890m.com/models/images/allen-sherw...

Clement, A.C., Burgman R., and J.R. Norris 2009. "Observational and Model Evidence for Positive Low-Level Cloud Feedback." Science 325, 460-464.

Titchner, H.A., P.W. Thorne, M.P. McCarthy, S.F.B. Tett, L. Haimberger, and D.E. Parker 2009. "Critically Reassessing Tropospheric Temperature Trends from Radiosondes Using Realistic Validation Experiments." J. Clim. 22, 465-485.

Go check them out.
SpaceBlues

United States

#31026 Jan 19, 2013
Thanks much, Wallop; you are a 10.

Welcome to our humble forum. You fit right in.

:-)

Since: Jan 13

Location hidden

#31027 Jan 19, 2013
Wallop10 wrote:
Part II.
Griggs, J. A., and J. E. Harries 2007. "Comparison of spectrally resolved outgoing longwave radiation over the tropical Pacific between 1970 and 2003 using IRIS, IMG, and AIRS." Journal of Climate 20, 3982-4001.
Horton, D.E. et al. 2007. "Orbital and CO2 forcing of late Paleozoic continental ice sheets" Geophys. Res. Lett. L19708.
Fletcher, B.J. et al. 2008. "Atmospheric carbon dioxide linked with Mesozoic and early Cenozoic climate change" Nature Geoscience 1, 43-48.
Fu, Qiang and Celeste M. Johanson 2005. "Satellite-Derived Vertical Dependence of Tropical Tropospheric Temperature Trends." Geophys. Res. Lett. 32, L10703
Vinnikov, K.Y., N.C. Grody, A. Robock, R.J. Stouffer, P.D. Jones, and M.D. Goldberg 2006. "Temperature trends at the surface and in the troposphere." J. Geophys. Res. 111, D03106.
http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2006/2005JD0...
Knutti, R. and G. Hegerl 2008. "The equilibrium sensitivity of the earth's temperature to radiation changes." Nature Geoscience 1, 735-743.
W. M. Kurschner et al. 2008. "The impact of Miocene atmospheric carbon dioxide fluctuations on climate and the evolution of the terrestrial ecosystem"Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci. USA 105, 499-453.
Lean, J.L. and D.H. Rind 2008. "How natural and anthropogenic influences alter global and regional surface temperatures: 1889 to 2006." Geophys. Res. Lett. 35, L18701.
Sherwood, S.C., C.L. Meyer, R.J. Allen, and H.A. Titchner, 2008. "Robust Tropospheric Warming Revealed by Iteratively Homogenized Radiosonde Data." J. Clim. 21, 5336-5350.
http://camels.metoffice.gov.uk/quarc/Sherwood...
Zachos, J.C. 2008. "An early Cenozoic perspective on greenhouse warming and carbon-cycle dynamics" Nature 451, 279-283.
Allen, R.J. and S.C. Sherwood 2009. "Warming maximum in the tropical upper troposphere deduced from thermal winds." Nature Geosci. 1, 399 - 403.
http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/v1/n6/abs/... http://cce.890m.com/models/images/allen-sherw...
Clement, A.C., Burgman R., and J.R. Norris 2009. "Observational and Model Evidence for Positive Low-Level Cloud Feedback." Science 325, 460-464.
Titchner, H.A., P.W. Thorne, M.P. McCarthy, S.F.B. Tett, L. Haimberger, and D.E. Parker 2009. "Critically Reassessing Tropospheric Temperature Trends from Radiosondes Using Realistic Validation Experiments." J. Clim. 22, 465-485.
Go check them out.
Excellent posts Wallop, with lots of references to peer-reviewed scientific journals. Somehow I have this feeling that SUX Obama/Gord won't actually read any of them, though - they're WAY too fact & science based for him.

No doubt he'll call you, & probably the rest of us, lots of names in all caps. Then he'll repeat the same nonsense about the 2nd law of thermodynamics & Stefan-Boltzmann (both of which he's mis-applying) that he's been repeating for months now.

Both his brain cells have evidently malfunctioned.
ObamaSUX

Calgary, Canada

#31028 Jan 19, 2013
HomoSapiensLaptopicus wrote:
SUX,
You can capitalize all you want, & call me any names you want. You're just repeating your inanity. Your attitudes & posts don't change scientific fact.
Every single time temperature is measured in the upper atmosphere, where it's cold, & on the earth, where it's warm, PROVES I'm right & you're wrong. Tyndall's experiments show you why. This science has been known for more than 150 years.
The colder atmosphere can help the sun keep the earth warm by absorbing & re-emitting IR EMR. Why don't you try to read about the earth's atmosphere? This article has lots of information (& measurements) about how cold the earth's atmosphere gets, as low as -150º C at the mesopause. I'd imagine even you'd admit the earth's surface is generally quite a bit warmer than that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmosphere_of_Ea...
Let's quote them:
"The atmosphere of Earth is a layer of gases surrounding the planet Earth that is retained by Earth's gravity. The atmosphere protects life on Earth by absorbing ultraviolet solar radiation, warming the surface through heat retention (greenhouse effect), and reducing temperature extremes between day and night (the diurnal temperature variation)."
Then let's look at the greenhouse effect:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_effec...
"The greenhouse effect is a process by which thermal radiation from a planetary surface is absorbed by atmospheric greenhouse gases, and is re-radiated in all directions. Since part of this re-radiation is back towards the surface and the lower atmosphere, it results in an elevation of the average surface temperature above what it would be in the absence of the gases."
I quoted the 1st paragraph of each article. If you think those articles are written by "AGW cultists," blah blsh
Just as I PREDICTED many times now, the AGW CULT LIAR COULD NOT POST:

- EVEN "ONE" MEASUREMENT, EVER DONE DONE, IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND WHERE ANY COLD OBJECT HAS EVER "HEATED-UP" A WARMER OBJECT
- EVEN "ONE" MEASUREMENT WHERE THE COLDER ATMOSPHERE HAS "HEATED-UP" A WARMER EARTH

Instead, as I PREDICTED, He just posted MORE CULT BABBLE with not a SINGLE MEASUREMENT.

It's SO SIMPLE to EXPOSE THESE AGW CULT LIARS over and over AGAIN.

http://www.topix.com/forum/news/global-warmin...
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Homo-ody has ONCE AGAIN shown that he is a LYING AGW CULT MEMBER.

As I have Posted numerous times now:

"Watch as Homo-ody has another Panic Attack and RUNS FOR THE HILLS because he was CONFRONTED with the TRUTH again.

Homo-ody and the rest of the AGW CULT can't post the Measurements they LIE ABOUT because THEY DO NOT EXIST.

So, they will call me every name under the Sun, post more CULT BABBLE but NONE OF THESE CULT IDIOTS will be able to POST those PHANTOM MEASUREMENTS.

Like ALL CULTS, the AGW CULT cannot stand it when their LIES are EXPOSED BY THE TRUTH.

For the Normal People reading this, WATCH and LEARN about the AGW CULT."
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You Normal People have WITNESSED the AGW CULT in action once AGAIN and Homo-ody WILL CONTINUE EXACTLY AS I HAVE DESCRIBED ABOVE.

The AGW CULT behaviour is COMPLETELY PREDICTABLE, so continue to WATCH and LEARN about the AGW CULT.
ObamaSUX

Calgary, Canada

#31029 Jan 19, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
<quoted text>
GORD/SUXOBAMA is either very, very stupid or he has a job to do. You're not going to have much luck either way, just like the rest of us haven't.
And he sees us all RUNNING FOR THE HILLS because of his powerful arguments, which goes right along with his delusion that putting on more clothes will keep you cool.
In Fact, every single time I asked YOU to POST those PHANTOM AGW Laws of Science and those PHANTOM AGW MEASUREMENTS, YOU RAN FOR THE HILLS.

Why don't you EXPLAIN to our Normal People readers why YOU have NOT EVER BEEN ABLE TO POST THEM and have been RUNNING FOR THE HILLS for YEARS?

Come on, EXPLAIN WHY?
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Of course, the AGW CULT rules of behaviour are so embedded in your "brainwashed" CULT MIND, they will PROHIBIT YOU FROM ANSWERING my SIMPLE QUESTION.

Normal People should take note of my PREDICTION above and you will WITNESS the AGW CULT in action...AGAIN.

The AGW CULT behaviour is COMPLETELY PREDICTABLE, so continue to WATCH and LEARN about the AGW CULT.

“leave the herd”

Since: Jan 13

Tonganoxie, KS

#31030 Jan 19, 2013
wurx-fur-me wrote:
Dirty air is harmful to republicans too. You can't bury your head in the sand and pretend that it just isn't there. That's just crazy. We all need to face the fact that this isn't a political problem, it's a global problem.
You're right, it is a GLOBAL problem; its a "problem" created by the GLOBAL world government and the Bilderberg banking cartels that run it! This is such a typical Illuminati ploy; get all of the sheeple to run around in circles worrying about global "warming" so they won't notice the REAL issues that are putting us in danger: chemtrails, SSRI genocide pills and the FEMA concentration camps that are being built every time a "natural" disaster occurs. Pull YOUR head out of the sand and WAKE UP! Stop being an MSM zombie!
ObamaSUX

Calgary, Canada

#31031 Jan 19, 2013
HomoSapiensLaptopicus wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, he does see us all running for the hills because of his "powerful arguments"... ROFLMAO!
It can be fun to goad him. All he does is post long rants full of insults in all caps, & repeat his same incorrect understandings of the science. Hopefully the lurkers (& regular posters) can just scroll past his verbal diarrhea - unless it REALLY amuses them, LOL.
Maybe all that extra clothing he puts on is making both of his brain cells freeze.
Gee, I think it is a matter of FACT that YOU have ONLY RUN FOR THE HILLS every single time I asked you to POST:

- EVEN "ONE" MEASUREMENT, EVER DONE DONE, IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND WHERE ANY COLD OBJECT HAS EVER "HEATED-UP" A WARMER OBJECT
- EVEN "ONE" MEASUREMENT WHERE THE COLDER ATMOSPHERE HAS "HEATED-UP" A WARMER EARTH

I say these Measurements DO NOT EXIST and that YOU ARE A JUST ANOTHER AGW CULT LIAR.

Howerver, YOU SAID:

"That is, THE ATMOSPHERE HELPS THE SUN WARM THE EARTH, even though it's significantly cooler than the surface. This is a scientific fact. There are not just thousands, but many millions, perhaps billions, of measurements that support this."

Why don't you EXPLAIN to our Normal People readers why YOU have NOT BEEN ABLE TO POST EVEN "ONE" MEASUREMENT and have been RUNNING FOR THE HILLS ?

Come on, EXPLAIN WHY?
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Of course, the TRUTH is and the answer to my question is that THE MEASUREMENTS DO NOT EXIST.

But, just like my PREDICTION about the AGW Cult member "gcaveman1" above, Homo-ody will conform to AGW CULT rules of behaviour embedded his "brainwashed" CULT MIND.

AGW CULT rules of behaviour will PROHIBIT HIM FROM ANSWERING my SIMPLE QUESTION.
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Normal People should take note of my PREDICTION above and you will WITNESS the AGW CULT in action...AGAIN.

AGW CULT behaviour is COMPLETELY PREDICTABLE, so continue to WATCH and LEARN about the AGW CULT.

Since: Jan 13

Location hidden

#31032 Jan 19, 2013
ObamaSUX wrote:
<quoted text>
Just as I PREDICTED many times now, the AGW CULT LIAR COULD NOT POST:
- EVEN "ONE" MEASUREMENT, EVER DONE DONE, IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND WHERE ANY COLD OBJECT HAS EVER "HEATED-UP" A WARMER OBJECT
- EVEN "ONE" MEASUREMENT WHERE THE COLDER ATMOSPHERE HAS "HEATED-UP" A WARMER EARTH
Instead, as I PREDICTED, He just posted MORE CULT BABBLE with not a SINGLE MEASUREMENT.
It's SO SIMPLE to EXPOSE THESE AGW CULT LIARS over and over AGAIN.
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/global-warmin...
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Homo-ody has ONCE AGAIN shown that he is a LYING AGW CULT MEMBER.
As I have Posted numerous times now:
"Watch as Homo-ody has another Panic Attack and RUNS FOR THE HILLS because he was CONFRONTED with the TRUTH again.
Homo-ody and the rest of the AGW CULT can't post the Measurements they LIE ABOUT because THEY DO NOT EXIST.
So, they will call me every name under the Sun, post more CULT BABBLE but NONE OF THESE CULT IDIOTS will be able to POST those PHANTOM MEASUREMENTS.
Like ALL CULTS, the AGW CULT cannot stand it when their LIES are EXPOSED BY THE TRUTH.
For the Normal People reading this, WATCH and LEARN about the AGW CULT."
------
You Normal People have WITNESSED the AGW CULT in action once AGAIN and Homo-ody WILL CONTINUE EXACTLY AS I HAVE DESCRIBED ABOVE.
The AGW CULT behaviour is COMPLETELY PREDICTABLE, so continue to WATCH and LEARN about the AGW CULT.
SUX,

Wallop10 already included almost 200 years worth of scientific papers including MEASUREMENTS proving how GHGs work. Have you read even ONE of them?

Yet you repeat your same insults, all in caps, unable to say anything else. Then you repeat the same inane, arrant equine excrement you've been repeating for months, misunderstanding science like the 2nd law of thermodynamics & the Stefan-Boltzmann even when you do quote them.

So how about it? Why don't you try to read some of the science? We'll be patient while you try to read & absorb it.
ObamaSUX

Calgary, Canada

#31033 Jan 19, 2013
Wallop10 wrote:
<quoted text>
The most conclusive evidence for the greenhouse effect – and the role CO2 plays – can be seen in data from the surface and from satellites. By comparing the Sun’s heat reaching the Earth with the heat leaving it, we can see that...blah blah
Wallop10 wrote:
<quoted text>
Need measurements?
The most conclusive evidence for the greenhouse effect – and the role CO2 plays – can be seen in data from the surface and from satellites...blah blah
Apparently the AGW Cult Member, "Wallop10", thinks that Two Posts filled with BABBLING AGW CULT-SPEAK will somehow divert attention from the FACT that he DID NOT POST:

- EVEN "ONE" MEASUREMENT, EVER DONE DONE, IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND WHERE ANY COLD OBJECT HAS EVER "HEATED-UP" A WARMER OBJECT
- EVEN "ONE" MEASUREMENT WHERE THE COLDER ATMOSPHERE HAS "HEATED-UP" A WARMER EARTH

Hey Wallop10, why CAN'T YOU POST EVEN "ONE" MEASUREMENT ?

Come on, EXPLAIN WHY?
----------
AGW CULT rules of behaviour will PROHIBIT HIM FROM ANSWERING my SIMPLE QUESTION.

Is everybody that is Normal starting to see the PATTERN and how completely PREDICTABLE the AGW CULT is?

Normal People should take note of my PREDICTION above and you will WITNESS the AGW CULT in action...AGAIN.

AGW CULT behaviour is COMPLETELY PREDICTABLE, so continue to WATCH and LEARN about the AGW CULT.
ObamaSUX

Calgary, Canada

#31034 Jan 19, 2013
HomoSapiensLaptopicus wrote:
<quoted text>
SUX,
Wallop10 already included almost 200 years worth of scientific papers including MEASUREMENTS proving how GHGs work. Have you read even ONE of them?
Yet you repeat your same insults, all in caps, unable to say anything else. Then you repeat the same inane, arrant equine excrement you've been repeating for months, misunderstanding science like the 2nd law of thermodynamics & the Stefan-Boltzmann even when you do quote them.
So how about it? Why don't you try to read some of the science? We'll be patient while you try to read & absorb it.
HAHAHA....HAHAHA....REALLY ???

WHAT MEASUREMENTS DID "Wallop10" POST ?

I did not SEE ANY MEASURMENTS...ZIP, NADA, NONE!!!

YOU SAY "Wallop10" POSTED THEM and YOU also said:

"That is, THE ATMOSPHERE HELPS THE SUN WARM THE EARTH, even though it's significantly cooler than the surface. This is a scientific fact. There are not just thousands, but many millions, perhaps billions, of measurements that support this."

SO, WHY DON'T "YOU" POST:

- EVEN "ONE" MEASUREMENT, EVER DONE DONE, IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND WHERE ANY COLD OBJECT HAS EVER "HEATED-UP" A WARMER OBJECT ?
- EVEN "ONE" MEASUREMENT WHERE THE COLDER ATMOSPHERE HAS "HEATED-UP" A WARMER EARTH ?

Come ON, A-Hole, POST "ONE" MEASUREMENT or ADMIT that THEY DO NOT EXIST and that YOU are just another AGW CULT LIAR.
----------
Homo-ody has ONCE AGAIN shown that he is a LYING AGW CULT MEMBER.

As I have Posted numerous times now:

"Watch as Homo-ody has another Panic Attack and RUNS FOR THE HILLS because he was CONFRONTED with the TRUTH again.

Homo-ody and the rest of the AGW CULT can't post the Measurements they LIE ABOUT because THEY DO NOT EXIST.

So, they will call me every name under the Sun, post more CULT BABBLE but NONE OF THESE CULT IDIOTS will be able to POST those PHANTOM MEASUREMENTS.

Like ALL CULTS, the AGW CULT cannot stand it when their LIES are EXPOSED BY THE TRUTH.

For the Normal People reading this, WATCH and LEARN about the AGW CULT."
------
You Normal People have WITNESSED the AGW CULT in action MANY TIMES and Homo-ody WILL CONTINUE EXACTLY AS I HAVE DESCRIBED ABOVE.
ObamaSUX

Calgary, Canada

#31035 Jan 19, 2013
Here is a guide to understanding all CULT Behavior and it fits the AGW CULT like a glove:

Are AGW'ers Cult Members?
YES 224 95%
NO 10 4%
Current Total 234
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/global-warmin...
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From the Link above:

The Cult Test Questions 1 to 10

1. The Guru is always right.
"The Guru, his church, and his teachings are always right, and above criticism, and beyond reproach."

2. You are always wrong.
"Cult members are also told that they are in no way qualified to judge the Guru or his church. Should you disagree with the leader or his cult about anything, see Cult Rule Number One. Having
negative emotions about the cult or its leader is a "defect" that needs to be fixed."

3. No Exit.
"There is simply no proper or honorable way to leave the cult. Period. To leave is to fail, to die, to be defeated by evil. To leave is to invite divine retribution."

4. No Graduates.
"No one ever learns as much as the Guru knows; no one ever rises to the level of the Guru's wisdom, so no one ever finishes his or her training, and nobody ever graduates."

5. Cult-speak.
"The cult has its own language. The cult invents new terminology or euphemisms for many things. The cult may also redefine many common words to mean something quite different. Cult-speak is
also called "bombastic redefinition of the familiar", or "loading the language"."

6. Group-think, Suppression of Dissent, and Enforced Conformity in Thinking
"The cult has standard answers for almost everything, and members are expected to parrot those answers. Willfulness or independence or skeptical thinking is seen as bad. Members
accept the leader's reality as their own."

7. Irrationality.
"The beliefs of the cult are irrational, illogical, or superstitious, and fly in the face of evidence to the contrary."

8. Suspension of disbelief.
"The cult member is supposed to take on a childish naïveté, and simply believe whatever he is told, no matter how unlikely, unrealistic, irrational, illogical, or outrageous it may be. And he does."

9. Denigration of competing sects, cults, religions, groups, or organizations.
"This is commonplace, and hardly needs any explanation."

10. Personal attacks on critics.
"Anyone who criticizes the Guru, the cult or its dogma is attacked on a personal level."
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It explains a lot of the AGW Cult behaviour witnessed on Topix and why the AGW Cult is so PREDICTABLE.

Since: Jan 13

Location hidden

#31036 Jan 19, 2013
ObamaSUX wrote:
<quoted text>
"That is, THE ATMOSPHERE HELPS THE SUN WARM THE EARTH, even though it's significantly cooler than the surface. This is a scientific fact. There are not just thousands, but many millions, perhaps billions, of measurements that support this."
Why don't you EXPLAIN to our Normal People readers why YOU have NOT BEEN ABLE TO POST EVEN "ONE" MEASUREMENT and have been RUNNING FOR THE HILLS ?
Come on, EXPLAIN WHY?
I DID explain why, you're just too stoooooooooopid to get it. Wallop10's list of references contains one measurement after another.

Once AGAIN: the vibrations in GHGs that absord & re-emit IR EMR occur whether the gas is warm or cold. The warm earth emits IR EMR. Some of this is absorbed by a COLDER atmosphere & re-emitted in all directions; some of this re-emitted EMR is directed back toward the earth, warming it further.

This is how GHGs help the sun warm the earth, even if the atmosphere is colder than the earth. AGAIN, this DOES NOT VIOLATE THE SECOND LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS. PERIOD.

Did you read about spectroscopy? Those electron transitions between different "orbits" occur at frequencies that do not depend on temperature. At high temps there will be more lines in the spectrum, with transitions at high energies, but the low energy lines will occur in the same place whether they're in a lab on the earth or on the surface of the sun. Spectroscopy WORKS.

The slightly lower energy (IR EMR) transitions of GHGs likewise occur whether the gas is warm or cold.

Try reading the articles Wallop10 was so kind to post. I doubt you'll comprehend the science, or if you do, you'll NEVER, EVER have the courage to admit you're wrong. But we have lots of intelligent people on the forum who will understand the science.

BTW, you never answered my question about whether John Tyndall. Was he an "AGW cultist"?

LSHMSFOAIDMT!!!

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