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Ron Paul on the Verge of Going Third Party?

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Rep. Ron Paul's 1988 Libertarian Presidential campaign started with great promise: A former four-term Republican US Congressman running on the ticket of America's third largest party. via National Ledger

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EASY MONEY

Bangkok, Thailand

#29733 Apr 30, 2013
UidiotRaceMAKEWORLDPEACE wrote:
News you will not see or hear on CNN and FOX News
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/arti ...
Satire
Henry Kissinger: "If You Can't Hear the Drums of War You Must Be Deaf"
By Alfred Heinz
February 15, 2013 "Information Clearing House" - NEW YORK - USA - In a remarkable admission by former Nixon era Secretary of State, Henry Kissinger, reveals what is happening at the moment in the world and particularly the Middle East.
Speaking from his luxurious Manhattan apartment, the elder statesman, who will be 89 in May, is all too forward with his analysis of the current situation in the world forum of Geo-politics and economics.
"The United States is baiting China and Russia, and the final nail in the coffin will be Iran, which is, of course, the main target of Israel. We have allowed China to increase their military strength and Russia to recover from Sovietization, to give them a false sense of bravado, this will create an all together faster demise for them.
We're like the sharp shooter daring the noob to pick up the gun, and when they try, it's bang bang. The coming war will will be so severe that only one superpower can win, and that's us folks. This is why the EU is in such a hurry to form a complete superstate because they know what is coming, and to survive, Europe will have to be one whole cohesive state. Their urgency tells me that they know full well that the big showdown is upon us. O how I have dreamed of this delightful moment."
"Control oil and you control nations; control food and you control the people."
Mr Kissinger then added: "If you are an ordinary person, then you can prepare yourself for war by moving to the countryside and building a farm, but you must take guns with you, as the hordes of starving will be roaming. Also, even though the elite will have their safe havens and specialist shelters, they must be just as careful during the war as the ordinary civilians, because their shelters can still be compromised."
After pausing for a few minutes to collect his thoughts, Mr Kissinger, carried on: "We told the military that we would have to take over seven Middle Eastern countries for their resources and they have nearly completed their job. We all know what I think of the military, but I have to say they have obeyed orders superfluously this time. It is just that last stepping stone, i.e. Iran which will really tip the balance.
If in fact he really did say those things, I say if, because I did not see him or hear him, then I sure like the way he thinks. I too agree that Iran is going to tip the boat and I think that Russia, after a lot of condemnation about our actions will opt out, they have too many internal problems. Just not sure about China. In reality their only asset is people.
I also do not not think that American troops have taken over any mid-east country, or come close to it, all we have done is rid those countries of the old dictators and fractured all central command and control. Should we attempt to intervine in Syria full time there is a very good chance that Iran and Hezbollah will enter the fray. Get ready for it, fun and games are coming soon! 9593
Crazy n Nutty Politics

North Miami Beach, FL

#29734 May 4, 2013
What you two guys fail to realize is the way to Iran is through Syria. This is what the neocons (poderhertz and his gang) wanted all along.(with Israel leading the charge btw) < this was planned a long time ago...and now fast forward..........

(CNN)-- The United States believes Israel has conducted an airstrike into Syria, two U.S. officials first told CNN.

U.S. and Western intelligence agencies are reviewing classified data showing Israel most likely conducted a strike in the Thursday-Friday time frame, according to both officials. This is the same time frame that the U.S. collected additional data showing Israel was flying a high number of warplanes over Lebanon."

Good for them...NOW IT'S TIME FOR US TO STAY THE HELL OUT OF IT AND SIT BACK AND WATCH!!
EASY MONEY

Bangkok, Thailand

#29735 May 4, 2013
Crazy n Nutty Politics wrote:
What you two guys fail to realize is the way to Iran is through Syria. This is what the neocons (poderhertz and his gang) wanted all along.(with Israel leading the charge btw) < this was planned a long time ago...and now fast forward..........
(CNN)-- The United States believes Israel has conducted an airstrike into Syria, two U.S. officials first told CNN.
U.S. and Western intelligence agencies are reviewing classified data showing Israel most likely conducted a strike in the Thursday-Friday time frame, according to both officials. This is the same time frame that the U.S. collected additional data showing Israel was flying a high number of warplanes over Lebanon."
Good for them...NOW IT'S TIME FOR US TO STAY THE HELL OUT OF IT AND SIT BACK AND WATCH!!
The folks to look to do something will be Hezbollah, after Iran gives them the go ahead. Don't think for a nano second that we will stay out of anything. Once Hezbollah makes it's move, you can bet the farm that Hamas will jump right into the fray, and I wouldn't trust Egypt either, then we will be forced to aid Israel, with Navy/Air Force airpower and supplies, much the same as we did before. There is another thing, what if Iran does have the missiles to strike Israel, and cooks off a few dozen, the Israel will then be fighting a three front war. We will have to put boots on the ground then, and the shit will hit the fan. Just another war, not a police action, but a real war that the democrats will have gotten America into.
I do think it's coming and soon!
Crazy n Nutty Politics

North Miami Beach, FL

#29736 May 4, 2013
EASY MONEY wrote:
<quoted text>
The folks to look to do something will be Hezbollah, after Iran gives them the go ahead. Don't think for a nano second that we will stay out of anything. Once Hezbollah makes it's move, you can bet the farm that Hamas will jump right into the fray, and I wouldn't trust Egypt either, then we will be forced to aid Israel, with Navy/Air Force airpower and supplies, much the same as we did before. There is another thing, what if Iran does have the missiles to strike Israel, and cooks off a few dozen, the Israel will then be fighting a three front war. We will have to put boots on the ground then, and the shit will hit the fan. Just another war, not a police action, but a real war that the democrats will have gotten America into.
I do think it's coming and soon!
WHAT..you were right until you typed "but a real war that the democrats will have gotten America into" Excuse me but it's always the neocons republicans (not conservative republcans) who are getting us into wars.
I agree that hezbollah will jump in but I highly doubt Iran will be involved all things considering. However this was a "preemptive" strike based on "intelligence" that something unsubstantiated was transpiring.
I say DON'T GET INVOLVED!(ps..never trust egypt either.
EASY MONEY

Bangkok, Thailand

#29737 May 4, 2013
Crazy n Nutty Politics wrote:
<quoted text>
WHAT..you were right until you typed "but a real war that the democrats will have gotten America into" Excuse me but it's always the neocons republicans (not conservative republcans) who are getting us into wars.
I agree that hezbollah will jump in but I highly doubt Iran will be involved all things considering. However this was a "preemptive" strike based on "intelligence" that something unsubstantiated was transpiring.
I say DON'T GET INVOLVED!(ps..never trust egypt either.
Nice to see that you really read what I type. I figured I'd get your hackles up with that Dem remark. As you know Hezbollah is funded and armed by Iran, so therefor they have to get the go ahead from Iran before they do squat. Hamas on the other hand is, to me, an unknown as to just who is backing them with arms and money. Of course both Hazbollah and Hamas hate each other but will join forces over their common enemy Israel. If Hezbollah jumps with both feet into Syrian civil war, then all bets are off as to what our dip-shit leader will be forced to do or not do. He is not a rock when it come to islam. That preemptive strike could be the spark. WW2, Korea, Vietnam dem. wars!!!!!!!!
Drink The HivE

New York, NY

#29738 May 4, 2013
The Other Side Of The Tree - Neither Is Nicer...

http://onpoint.wbur.org/files/2012/05/051612-...
Steve

San Francisco, CA

#29739 May 4, 2013
Just to add my two cents, the Dems have gotten us involved in wars, too, like Clinton in Kosovo. However, because of Bush, they're now the peace party, lol.
Brad

Manchester, CT

#29740 May 4, 2013
Steve wrote:
Just to add my two cents, the Dems have gotten us involved in wars, too, like Clinton in Kosovo. However, because of Bush, they're now the peace party, lol.
7 more Americans dead in Afghanistan today.
EASY MONEY

Bangkok, Thailand

#29741 May 4, 2013
Here's another little muslim war that no one even talks about or thinks about. In the south of Thailand there have been 5,243+?, deaths since Jan. 2004. American deaths in Afghanistan, which is considered a war, the number of deaths since 2001 are at 2,215+?.
The reason for the +? is because the day isn't over yet. The cult of peace and love is killing people all over the world, in the name of god. What fools!!! There is only one answer and that is to eliminate the cult by any and all means.
Maybe what has just occured in Syria by Israel will be a start down that elimination road. No civilized person will miss a one of them when their gone.
EASY MONEY

Bangkok, Thailand

#29743 May 5, 2013
UidiotRaceMakeworldPeace wrote:
<quoted text>John Stockwell, former CIA official 9From his books, speeches...)
"
It is the function of the CIA to keep the world unstable, and to propagandize and teach the American people to hate, so we will let the Establishment spend any amount of money on arms.
"Enemies are necessary for the wheels of the U.S. military machine to turn."
"The major function of secrecy in Washington is to keep the U.S. people ... from knowing what the nation's leaders are doing.
"The CIA has overthrown functioning democracies in over 20 countries.
Hell I thought the men in the white coats came for you long ago. But while you really enjoy looking obscure items try this one. Miss Lube Rack 1955 just your type.
EASY MONEY

Bangkok, Thailand

#29745 May 5, 2013
UidiotRaceMakeWorldPeace wrote:
<quoted text>Oy yes Drones over you head! but others in power usually good leaders in govt will confirm my debaTES AND Stockwell wise sayings! I think you one who need to be locked up in jail, as Bush and Co had been tried for War Crimes at the Internaational War Crimes Tribunal! Ypu stand with evil with reason bit without /lack pof moral will do what to its nation and world people in it. Seem like you ad hominmen attack is well noted!
Wait! I have another one for you to look into. This one from Human Rights Org., It has adapted a International Clitoris Awareness Week. There now is something that you might support,I mean how moral can you get. That is un-F**king real. Americans have way too much time on their hands, maybe it's from those college grads that can't find a job and have taken themselves out off the market. OH, how did you like your idol, Miss Lube Rack 1955?
Bill R

Halsey, OR

#29746 May 6, 2013
UidiotRaceMakeWorldPeace wrote:
<quoted text>Oy yes Drones over you head! but others in power usually good leaders in govt will confirm my debaTES AND Stockwell wise sayings! I think you one who need to be locked up in jail, as Bush and Co had been tried for War Crimes at the Internaational War Crimes Tribunal! Ypu stand with evil with reason bit without /lack pof moral will do what to its nation and world people in it. Seem like you ad hominmen attack is well noted!
Why is it that you, a man who professes to present him-
self as a man of peace and love, continually fills
these pages with words bleeding with hostility and
rage toward others simply because they post words that
do not align with your own particular view of the
world and its affairs? How is your hatred any less
poisonous or acidic than those whose views you claim
to be wrong? Personally, I don't see any real differ-
ence at all.

It seems to me, after a 3 month hiatus to handle a
number of things that have been too long undone
or unfinished here, that you are addicted to finding
those who agree with your own peculiar notions of
reality and bestowing sainthood upon them, ignoring
or vilifying those who hold an opposing or even
differing view. It is fundamentally a process of
intellectual arrogance and self-deception when you
engage in such blatant dishonesty.

I daresay that anyone with half a brain can find
someone out there in the big world of political opinion
who will agree with him. It is easy given the infinite
amount of information that is now readily available to
any and all of us. If I believe the White House is
inhabited by a coven of witches from Salem, Massachu-
setts my guess is I could find someone who believes
the same thing.

Finally, I see no value in calling another person
immoral for holding views that differ from your own.
If anything it diminishes the value of the words and
ideas you share. You have in the past used such words
in regard to me and I can tell you they do not inflame
and they certainly do not cause me to reconsider my
positions which are, in fact, complicated enough that
they defy being deposited into one of the categories
used so much on this forum. Such pigeonholes do not
open communication.....they close them. Questioning
the morality of another poster is cyber-foolishness.
Crazy n Nutty Politics

North Miami Beach, FL

#29747 May 6, 2013
EASY MONEY wrote:
<quoted text>
Nice to see that you really read what I type. I figured I'd get your hackles up with that Dem remark. As you know Hezbollah is funded and armed by Iran, so therefor they have to get the go ahead from Iran before they do squat. Hamas on the other hand is, to me, an unknown as to just who is backing them with arms and money. Of course both Hazbollah and Hamas hate each other but will join forces over their common enemy Israel. If Hezbollah jumps with both feet into Syrian civil war, then all bets are off as to what our dip-shit leader will be forced to do or not do. He is not a rock when it come to islam. That preemptive strike could be the spark. WW2, Korea, Vietnam dem. wars!!!!!!!!


I always read what you type and everyone here types.(very interesting)

Don't think I appreciated that democrat jab..I was just saying that "recently" democrats have been anti war and neoc0n republians have been war mongers. History however it has been the OLD republican guard who used to be anti war. There we agree. However this new republican regime (neoc0n) are looking/instigating war at every moment.

2nd point, Hamas has been a political organization dedicated to the freedom of Palestine (which should be a state by now and if was, violence would diminish) Hezbollah on the other hand is deemed by some a terrorist organization. There is a difference.

You wrote "If Hezbollah jumps with both feet into Syrian civil war". WHAT WOULD HAVE CAUSED THIS? Might it have been Israel violating international law and launching air strikes into Syria?.....

(CNN) "Israeli military would not confirm nor deny the claim that it fired rockets into Syria"

LMFAO...Then who the F*** did fire rockets into Syria? I for one will not support sending any more Americans to die for Israeli aggression.
Crazy n Nutty Politics

North Miami Beach, FL

#29748 May 6, 2013
UidiotRaceMakeworldPeace wrote:
<quoted text>John Stockwell, former CIA official 9From his books, speeches...)
"
It is the function of the CIA to keep the world unstable, and to propagandize and teach the American people to hate, so we will let the Establishment spend any amount of money on arms.
"Enemies are necessary for the wheels of the U.S. military machine to turn."
"The major function of secrecy in Washington is to keep the U.S. people ... from knowing what the nation's leaders are doing.
"The CIA has overthrown functioning democracies in over 20 countries.
I have to come to your defense because a few days ago.....

(NYT) "KABUL, Afghanistan — For more than a decade, wads of American dollars packed into suitcases, backpacks and, on occasion, plastic shopping bags have been dropped off every month or so at the offices of Afghanistan’s president — courtesy of the Central Intelligence Agency. New York Times. "

hahah...What were you saying Easy?
Crazy n Nutty Politics

North Miami Beach, FL

#29749 May 6, 2013
Bill R wrote:
<quoted text>
It is easy given the infinite
amount of information that is now readily available to
any and all of us. If I believe the White House is
inhabited by a coven of witches from Salem, Massachu-
setts my guess is I could find someone who believes
the same thing.
It seems like you're trying to dismiss his argument as rabble. An apropos analogy would be if IO believed in UFO's that there would be someone out there who would also believe in UFO's; meanwhile you seem to be indicating a tone of belittlement for his opinion. An opinion which you deem "tinfoily" or "nutty" <meant to demean his opinion>

In other words from my reading it appears if you don't agree with the mainstream thought you dismiss and belittle instead of giving any possibility of rationality.(basically make his opinion seem like it's coming from a nut job)

I believe IO would refer to this as PSYOPS. lol

Welcome Back Bill, we missed you and your ever so eloquent retorts.:) As usual I'm here for comedic relief.
EASY MONEY

Bangkok, Thailand

#29750 May 6, 2013
Crazy n Nutty Politics wrote:
<quoted text>
I always read what you type and everyone here types.(very interesting)
Don't think I appreciated that democrat jab..I was just saying that "recently" democrats have been anti war and neoc0n republians have been war mongers. History however it has been the OLD republican guard who used to be anti war. There we agree. However this new republican regime (neoc0n) are looking/instigating war at every moment.
2nd point, Hamas has been a political organization dedicated to the freedom of Palestine (which should be a state by now and if was, violence would diminish) Hezbollah on the other hand is deemed by some a terrorist organization. There is a difference.
You wrote "If Hezbollah jumps with both feet into Syrian civil war". WHAT WOULD HAVE CAUSED THIS? Might it have been Israel violating international law and launching air strikes into Syria?.....
(CNN) "Israeli military would not confirm nor deny the claim that it fired rockets into Syria"
LMFAO...Then who the F*** did fire rockets into Syria? I for one will not support sending any more Americans to die for Israeli aggression.
A very excellent question, dead of night, very few lights, not much daytime recon over flights, if any at all, maybe one or two on the ground directing traffic, or an overhead Sat and a very direct hit on a very small target. Are IDF pilots that good or did they have a wee bit of help? I would guess that Iran is doing a little rethinking after that pin point delivery.
Sadly you and I have no say if or when Americans are sent anywhere to die for whatever, but that is exactly what soldiers do, they fight and die for whatever is the whim of those elected officals, our case, there in Washington. And I might add that the American public put those imcompetentence there in the first place. But without the American soldier there would be no America. Something to ponder!
EASY MONEY

Bangkok, Thailand

#29751 May 6, 2013
Crazy n Nutty Politics wrote:
<quoted text>
I have to come to your defense because a few days ago.....
(NYT) "KABUL, Afghanistan — For more than a decade, wads of American dollars packed into suitcases, backpacks and, on occasion, plastic shopping bags have been dropped off every month or so at the offices of Afghanistan’s president — courtesy of the Central Intelligence Agency. New York Times. "
hahah...What were you saying Easy?
No,No I never said that the bastard in Kabul was anything other than a crook. He makes Maddof look like a priest. If I was the man in charge he would have been looking for those 72 virgins long ago. I guess he's the lesser of 700 other crooks in that garbage pit. Allthough they do produce some very nice rugs. Hopefully when the time comes for his usefullness to end he will get what he has coming to him and usually it's on the end of a rope.
Bill R

Halsey, OR

#29752 May 6, 2013
Crazy n Nutty Politics wrote:
<quoted text>
It seems like you're trying to dismiss his argument as rabble. An apropos analogy would be if IO believed in UFO's that there would be someone out there who would also believe in UFO's; meanwhile you seem to be indicating a tone of belittlement for his opinion. An opinion which you deem "tinfoily" or "nutty" <meant to demean his opinion>
In other words from my reading it appears if you don't agree with the mainstream thought you dismiss and belittle instead of giving any possibility of rationality.(basically make his opinion seem like it's coming from a nut job)
I believe IO would refer to this as PSYOPS. lol
Welcome Back Bill, we missed you and your ever so eloquent retorts.:) As usual I'm here for comedic relief.
I believe if you look over my post you'll find that I did not
address the issue he raised. Rather I questioned his methodology
and the tactic of calling another person immoral because they
hold a different view.
Suggesting that I support the "mainstream" view is a baseless
assumption and, in fact, I am not even sure what the mainstream
point of view on Syria is among the American people. If anything
I believe the mainstream is opposed to any military involvement
there, even the provision of arms or military advisors or
information provided by satellite.
If I belittle it comes from a good place, as I believe it is
folly to lay the blame for all of the ills of the world at the
doorstep of the United States. It is an easy and convenient
thing to do and it is fashionable in some quarters, but it is
simplistic and actually prevents addressing the whole spectrum
of what are complex issues. Without denying America's domestic
and foreign mistakes and failed policies I'd suggest that if
America ceased to exist tomorrow there are other nations ....
a score of them .... that would eagerly seek to take our place.
Our problem is that we have not yet found a way to override
that thing called "human nature."
Getting back to the original point, I believe those who govern
would be making a serious mistake to presume there is a whole
lot of support for involvement in Syria. If it is out there at
all I have not come across it anywhere in my neighborhood, so
to speak.
Just one parting thought ..... assuming Assad has used chemical
weapons against his own people, where did they come from? I'd
suggest that they did not produce them on their own but quite
probably got them from Saddam Hussein. In fact, all Assad has
done is take a page from Iraqi history and apply it to Syria.
If these chemical weapons did in fact come from Saddam Hussein
before they could be captured by the American forces, are you
prepared to admit that Bush was right and he did not lie about
them?
Bill R

Halsey, OR

#29759 May 6, 2013
UidiotRaceMakeWorldPeace wrote:
<quoted text>Failed policy (BWAHAHAHAHAAa) have you look into words "Criminal Negligence or likes? Or is this seem to far fetch or you nationalistic fervor is in heat?
( Here something that you have not mention or you don't want to talk about or you ignorant or jingoist pride is in the way or...) question to you is:
Did you know Saddam is a US puppet, so ? And, did you know US exported Chemicals to the Saddam Regime, do you?
Interesting attempt at deflection, but it won't fly. Suggesting
that the chemical weapons being used in Syria had been shipped
out of Iraq prior to or during the invasion to remove Saddam
hasn't anything to do with nationalism or jingoist ideology ...
nothing at all. In fact, how am I being nationalistic or
jingoist when I suggest that the chemical weapons used against
the Syrian people may have been manufactured in the U.S.?
Furthermore, if what I suggest is possible and, given the
knowledge that Saddam used chemical weapons against his own
people, is it that much of reach to presume he might have
opted to sell them to radical Muslims in exchange for his
own continued security as a dictatorship?

It is common fare among those seeking a simple answer to a
complicated matter to construct a theory and then match
their facts and ignore all the other possibilities. The
real world doesn't work that way.

Your logic in using ten cent words to converse about a ten
dollar issue escapes me. My words here are far removed from
nationalism, jingoism, or any other convenient monikers you
might use to preserve your ongoing view that America is
responsible for any and every ill that erupts in the world.
As mistaken as we have been on many fronts, it just isn't
sensible to blame America for everything and essentially
give everyone else a pass.

EASY MONEY

Bangkok, Thailand

#29760 May 6, 2013
UidiotRaceMakeWorldPeace wrote:
<quoted text>i expected the Ad hominem and nonsensical bashing...
Damn I thought there at last was something you could sink your teeth into or at least nibble. OH well! Can't say I didn't try to help you.
Can't chit chat, they opened a Carl's Jr. this week and I'm off to try it out.

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