Ron Paul on the Verge of Going Third ...

Ron Paul on the Verge of Going Third Party?

There are 29314 comments on the National Ledger story from Jan 12, 2008, titled Ron Paul on the Verge of Going Third Party?. In it, National Ledger reports that:

Rep. Ron Paul's 1988 Libertarian Presidential campaign started with great promise: A former four-term Republican US Congressman running on the ticket of America's third largest party. via National Ledger

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LocalBoy

United States

#29132 Oct 5, 2012
swedenforever wrote:
Sweden
"Costs are kept at a minimum for patients who utilize Sweden’s health care system. For example, a relatively small sum of money, about the equivalent of $250, covers a patient’s medications for an entire year — the government covers the rest. A cap on health care fees ensures patients can afford to battle long-term health problems without worrying about being financially crippled. The system has been effective, as Sweden’s life expectancy rate is the fifth best in the world (80.9) and infant mortality rate is the third best in the world (2.75)."
Covers.....in this quote it is said that a small fee covers.....as if it were insurance.
Exactly how does done one insure against the need for drugs ? Almost everybody either needs them now or will, so how does insurance work in that environment ?

Can you imagine the cost of homeowners insurance if the law required the cost of painting and cleaning gutters, the cost of auto insurance if gas and oil were covered ?

Insurance is risk aversion. It is impossible to have an aversion to a 100% risk.

The cost were covered.....by price fixing. When the cost is dictated by force it is not a price, it is a tax.
LocalBoy

United States

#29133 Oct 5, 2012
Bill R wrote:
<quoted text>
Lorax, when we get really, truly honest with ourselves the
simple truth of the matter is that every single one of these
guys .... Ron Paul being no exception whatsoever .... is
"well choreographed and scripted." Mitt Romney plays Mitt
Romney. Barack Obama plays Barack Obama. And Ron Paul, for
God's sake, plays Ron Paul.
In point of fact, one of the clarion calls of Ron Paul
supporters has been that he is firmly, unrelentingly
consistent in his answers and positions on virtually any
and every subject. That, in my opinion, is convincing
evidence of a man who has mastered the political art of
being well choreographed and scripted.
Yep, Paul is that. Ron Paul was a known commodity in DC going as far back as 1988. He has not surprised a campaign manager opposing him for decades, as Rummy would say Ron Paul is a known, known. Unlike Mitt Romney or Barak Obama who evolve, Paul does not.

What Paul has done that has surprised many is rally the electorate, for or against. Those he rallied for are desperately needed by those he rallied against, and Romney decided to call their bluff. So now the question is this - is Ron Paul bluffing ?

What was the Romney camp thinking when they snubbed Paul and his people ?

Would you rather win ugly or look good loosing ?
LocalBoy

United States

#29134 Oct 5, 2012
Prep-for-Dep wrote:
<quoted text>
A piece of paper valued against other pieces of paper.
I collect gold and silver, in addition to other bartering items such as ammo, alcohol, food, water, fuel,...
4 things that make money -
Recognizable
Divisible
Portable
Store of Value

A dollar is - 371.2 grains of silver

The Federal Reserve note is not a dollar and makes lousy money.
Yet it appears to work........how ?
It works because of force, fear and faith.

The feds debt note is legal tender, the answer is to allow the "dollar" to circulate without restraint competing against legal tender debt notes. Take away the force and let fear and faith rule.
EASY MONEY

Bangkok, Thailand

#29135 Oct 5, 2012
LocalBoy wrote:
<quoted text>Paul is doing his best to help Romney by keeping quiet. Paul talking can never help Romney.
What is in America's best interest ?
The people have been given a choice, Romney or Obama. Some will say picking one of these is in our best interest. Others take the tact that standing in dissent is best.
Coke or Pepsi.........Some just want water.
You already know what I consider America's best intrest. I want the dollar to be a dollar not .60 Cents. That will never happen with bozo and his group of merry men and lesbians. There is no taste in water you have add a little Wild Turkey to make it drinkable.
Bill R

Gig Harbor, WA

#29136 Oct 6, 2012
uIdiotRacesMAkeWorldPeace wrote:
<quoted text>You not gonna sing female dear are you know?
Do tell why don't you erotically Admonish a ULTRA right Wing like Ryan but instead you attack feverishly on Ron? Sometime i worry about your unprincipled, unethical, immoral... enough. Did in I piss u off again? BWHAHHAHAHAAHAA
As to Turkey , Benjamin want a Turkey to be our Nation's emblem standing for ...? Do tell why benjamin
U lack morals as stand up for most unethical peons, do tell?
BWHHAHHAAHHAHA MWHAHAHHAHAHAAA
The political beliefs of anyone, whether Paul Ryan or
Ron Paul or any other politician, have nothing to do
with my support of those who choose to teach their
children how to hunt .... presuming the reason for the
hunt is putting food on the table.

I believe if you were to a little actual research into
the content and contributors of this forum you will
discover that you are almost alone in being one to toss
words like "unprincipled, unethical, and immoral" in
the direction of other posters. Such useless comments
say little about those whom you attack and with such
adolescent language but speak reams about your own
principles, ethics, and morals.

Franklin's idea about the turkey being named the national
bird was uncannily astute. I've got a couple hundred
wild turkeys living on our ranch and I can assure you
that they are among the most stupid creatures on the planet,
have miserable vision, and are virtually defenseless.
Need I say more on this?
Bill R

Gig Harbor, WA

#29137 Oct 6, 2012
LORAX wrote:
<quoted text>
Gary Johnson is on the ballot in at least 48 states and is trying to break the two party duopoly.
Lorax, with all due your respects, your suggestion that by being
on the ballot in 48 states Gary Johnson has even the most
remote chance in hell of breaking up the "duopoly" is utter
nonsense.
Bill R

Gig Harbor, WA

#29138 Oct 6, 2012
EASY MONEY wrote:
<quoted text>
There isn't enough money in this world to have me live in the northeastern part of America. Filled with dead from the neck up liberal socialists and union hacks.
I agree with you in regard to the Northeast, but you need to
give some of the good folk in Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire,
and upstate New York applause for retaining a modicum of
self-respect and self-reliance.

For my part I see little difference between the terminally
dependent and those who are always pointing their fingers
elsewhere, the latter presuming they have no responsibility
for the problem or, even more, benefit directly by the very
programs they despise by drinking their water downstream.
Bill R

Gig Harbor, WA

#29139 Oct 6, 2012
LORAX wrote:
<quoted text>
The problem with Romney or Obama is that they are not consistent or in many times constitutional. There are things that even I do not agree with about Paul, but he is a consistent and ethical thinker and applies that logic with the Constitution as his guide point. If that is playing Ron Paul then thank god someone is.
First off, in regard to the debates, I was surprised and pleased
to see Barack Obama taken to school by Romney. I hope you
noticed while viewing the split screen that Obama could not
raise his eyes and look directly at Romney.

Second, until you surrender the notion that Ron Paul's
utterances on the Constitution are the moral equivalent of
Moses bringing down the 10 Commandments form Mount Sinai
your cause will never gain sustained traction.

Third, I thought the moderator did an excellent job in the
debate by taking every good effort to remove HIMSELF from the
event. Leftists hate that. They relish the thought of a
Chris Matthews-type running the show.

Fourth, I would like to have someone pose a question like
this is: "Pick two or three issues you have studied over the
past decade and describe to us how your thoughts have
changed and matured." Presumably you would regard their
answers as evidence of weakness. I would regard their answers,
even if I disagreed with them, as admissions that their minds
and souls are still "in process."
Bill R

Gig Harbor, WA

#29140 Oct 6, 2012
LocalBoy wrote:
<quoted text>Paul is doing his best to help Romney by keeping quiet. Paul talking can never help Romney.
What is in America's best interest ?
The people have been given a choice, Romney or Obama. Some will say picking one of these is in our best interest. Others take the tact that standing in dissent is best.
Coke or Pepsi.........Some just want water.
Paul's comments are irrelevant now. Apart from the decision
of Paul supporters to swallow hard and vote for Romney, the
meaningless Gary Johnson, or not vote at all Paul's words
have no play in all of this. Dissent is self-castration.
Bill R

Gig Harbor, WA

#29141 Oct 6, 2012
LocalBoy wrote:
<quoted text>Yep, Paul is that. Ron Paul was a known commodity in DC going as far back as 1988. He has not surprised a campaign manager opposing him for decades, as Rummy would say Ron Paul is a known, known. Unlike Mitt Romney or Barak Obama who evolve, Paul does not.
What Paul has done that has surprised many is rally the electorate, for or against. Those he rallied for are desperately needed by those he rallied against, and Romney decided to call their bluff. So now the question is this - is Ron Paul bluffing ?
What was the Romney camp thinking when they snubbed Paul and his people ?
Would you rather win ugly or look good loosing ?
Truthfully, my opinion is that after having seen Romney
clean Obama's clock on domestic issues and fully expecting
Paul Ryan to make Biden look ineffectual and foolish, the
Paul camp will be surprised how many defect and while
mouthing all the words and wisdom of Paul, will go to
Romney.

“UNLESS !!!!!!!”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#29142 Oct 6, 2012
swedenforever wrote:
Sweden
"Costs are kept at a minimum for patients who utilize Sweden’s health care system. For example, a relatively small sum of money, about the equivalent of $250, covers a patient’s medications for an entire year — the government covers the rest. A cap on health care fees ensures patients can afford to battle long-term health problems without worrying about being financially crippled. The system has been effective, as Sweden’s life expectancy rate is the fifth best in the world (80.9) and infant mortality rate is the third best in the world (2.75)."
And the population of Sweeden is ??? compared to over 310 million.

“UNLESS !!!!!!!”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#29143 Oct 6, 2012
Bill R wrote:
<quoted text>
Lorax, with all due your respects, your suggestion that by being
on the ballot in 48 states Gary Johnson has even the most
remote chance in hell of breaking up the "duopoly" is utter
nonsense.
You know what Bill - I grow very tired of your paternal arrogance. Johnson will likely not win but it is not impossible. Since Paul did not win the rigged popularity contest - the next closest to my principles is Johnson. At least I match my beliefs to my candidate that I chose based on my own criteria. The sheople including yourself sacrifice your declared principles and follow mediocrity because an elite unelected cabal controls our system and you choose to allow it to continue to happen....That sir is utter non-sense and ultimately the most unpatriotic thing anyone can do.....with all do respect when you start thinking critically (ethically) you may suggest to me what non sense is and what it is not. Until then continue your contradictory logic and I will point out respectfully when you contradict your supposed stated principles.

“UNLESS !!!!!!!”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#29144 Oct 6, 2012
Bill R wrote:
<quoted text>
First off, in regard to the debates, I was surprised and pleased
to see Barack Obama taken to school by Romney. I hope you
noticed while viewing the split screen that Obama could not
raise his eyes and look directly at Romney.
Second, until you surrender the notion that Ron Paul's
utterances on the Constitution are the moral equivalent of
Moses bringing down the 10 Commandments form Mount Sinai
your cause will never gain sustained traction.
Third, I thought the moderator did an excellent job in the
debate by taking every good effort to remove HIMSELF from the
event. Leftists hate that. They relish the thought of a
Chris Matthews-type running the show.
Fourth, I would like to have someone pose a question like
this is: "Pick two or three issues you have studied over the
past decade and describe to us how your thoughts have
changed and matured." Presumably you would regard their
answers as evidence of weakness. I would regard their answers,
even if I disagreed with them, as admissions that their minds
and souls are still "in process."
How this post related to mine other than another attempt to slam Paul and/or belief in following the Constitution I do not know. But since you brought it up - Everyone applauding Romney for prepping better for a scripted event is laughable. Sure he did great compared to Obama doing horribly. I agree the moderator did a better job than most in the last 20 years. He allowed it to go off script. Romney took advantage of that to a degree. We should have to moderation other than keeping equal time and let the debate go on for days if necessary. As to the questions I have pages and pages that should have been asked and were not. Your problem is presumption, when you stop doing that and start listening you will grow and mature. Quit presuming anything about me in particular it is very annoying.

“UNLESS !!!!!!!”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#29145 Oct 6, 2012
Bill R wrote:
<quoted text>
Paul's comments are irrelevant now. Apart from the decision
of Paul supporters to swallow hard and vote for Romney, the
meaningless Gary Johnson, or not vote at all Paul's words
have no play in all of this. Dissent is self-castration.
Why because if the dissent fails they will go away?? You have not been paying attention at all the last 8 years.

“UNLESS !!!!!!!”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#29146 Oct 6, 2012
Bill R wrote:
<quoted text>
Truthfully, my opinion is that after having seen Romney
clean Obama's clock on domestic issues and fully expecting
Paul Ryan to make Biden look ineffectual and foolish, the
Paul camp will be surprised how many defect and while
mouthing all the words and wisdom of Paul, will go to
Romney.
You just gave me motivation to go recruit 10 more Johnson supporters. I have two days before registration deadline. I can do that in my sleep - so thank you. What you fail to realize is that its not about Paul who has passed the torch - not to his son - but to Johnson. And its not about Johnson - its about Liberty.
EASY MONEY

Bangkok, Thailand

#29147 Oct 6, 2012
LORAX wrote:
<quoted text>
You know what Bill - I grow very tired of your paternal arrogance. Johnson will likely not win but it is not impossible. Since Paul did not win the rigged popularity contest - the next closest to my principles is Johnson. At least I match my beliefs to my candidate that I chose based on my own criteria. The sheople including yourself sacrifice your declared principles and follow mediocrity because an elite unelected cabal controls our system and you choose to allow it to continue to happen....That sir is utter non-sense and ultimately the most unpatriotic thing anyone can do.....with all do respect when you start thinking critically (ethically) you may suggest to me what non sense is and what it is not. Until then continue your contradictory logic and I will point out respectfully when you contradict your supposed stated principles.
Hey, This is not a class room filled with dead head high school students. Get the hell off the elites are running this or the cabal is running that, is plain bullshit! You have every right to believe that your man is the right man for the job that you want to see, but do not for one second attempt to tell me that I am unpatriotic doing what I choose to do. And for that matter tell me or any one else what is right, remember only you think it's right. In my opinion Johnson is another fool, just as Paul was and is, both only interested in what they can do for themselves. You may not think so, but I damn sure do. I, to repeat myself, remember you can't eat principles, you can only live with them. And it might not be for too long, you have to get with the program to survive. Paul and Johnson, do not give me a feeling of survival.
F**k, I give you more credit than some of your posts lately. No shit!!!!
I may not be the smartest bastard around, but I only want what is best for America and in my opinion obama is not the answer, so the only alternative is Romney and neither is Paul or Johnson capable of removing obama. If I want to live in France I'll move there.
EASY MONEY

Bangkok, Thailand

#29148 Oct 6, 2012
OH By the way, screw the last 8 years what the hell has happened in the last 33/4 years? Look at the price of gas in CA and other places. Look at the number of people that have stopped looking for work because the are no jobs. Look at how much the government has grown, look at how easy it is to travel in America, look at the number of people on welfare and food stamps, look at the education of American youth, look at the number of people sitting in jails, look at the number of drug related crime and crime in general, and do not tell me that the latest figure of job creation is correct, it's more closely 91/2. OH, remember I live in Bangkok and if I can see from here what is happening in America, so can the rest of the world.
Bill R

Gig Harbor, WA

#29149 Oct 6, 2012
LORAX wrote:
<quoted text>
You know what Bill - I grow very tired of your paternal arrogance. Johnson will likely not win but it is not impossible. Since Paul did not win the rigged popularity contest - the next closest to my principles is Johnson. At least I match my beliefs to my candidate that I chose based on my own criteria. The sheople including yourself sacrifice your declared principles and follow mediocrity because an elite unelected cabal controls our system and you choose to allow it to continue to happen....That sir is utter non-sense and ultimately the most unpatriotic thing anyone can do.....with all do respect when you start thinking critically (ethically) you may suggest to me what non sense is and what it is not. Until then continue your contradictory logic and I will point out respectfully when you contradict your supposed stated principles.
<Pardon me if the coffee shooting out of my nose hit your
monitor>

You sir, are the most arrogant, paternalistic piece of crap
on this board. You claim to be a libertarian but then
disallow or dispute anyone with an opinion even slightly contrary to your own. What your post reveals, apart from continuing
the conceit of having presumably invented a new word for the
English language ("sheople").... which of course YOU
determine the definition for .... is the fundamental principle
that Lorax the Almighty is the Decider as to who has principles.

I believe you are perfectly entitled to vote for Gary Johnson.
I believe you are wasting your vote and essentially taking
yourself out of the game because of an owie. I will not, as
others like yourself immaturely vent on this forum, that I
or anyone else has no principles or is unprincipled, amoral
or immoral, ethical or lacking in ethics.

My opinion is based on basic math: a vote for Gary Johnson
by either a paleo-conservative or libertarian is a vote for
Barack Obama; in which case such voters have little right
to complain about anything he does.
Bill R

Gig Harbor, WA

#29150 Oct 6, 2012
LORAX wrote:
<quoted text>
How this post related to mine other than another attempt to slam Paul and/or belief in following the Constitution I do not know. But since you brought it up - Everyone applauding Romney for prepping better for a scripted event is laughable. Sure he did great compared to Obama doing horribly. I agree the moderator did a better job than most in the last 20 years. He allowed it to go off script. Romney took advantage of that to a degree. We should have to moderation other than keeping equal time and let the debate go on for days if necessary. As to the questions I have pages and pages that should have been asked and were not. Your problem is presumption, when you stop doing that and start listening you will grow and mature. Quit presuming anything about me in particular it is very annoying.
I am trying to figure out you can claim a debate to be
scripted ("prepping better for a scripted event") on the
one hand and then state that the moderator "allowed it to
go off script."

Apart from the contradiction you seem to be stating that,
scripted or not, Romney outperformed Obama.

My comments were in reference to your predictable response
to any debate that has been televised since 1960.
Tony

Broken Arrow, OK

#29151 Oct 6, 2012
Watched a interview last week on C-Span with Ross Perot and David Walker and it was pretty interesting. Go to C-Span archives and watch it.

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