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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

United States

#116239 Oct 11, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>They aren't under the Jurisdiction of the US Constitution, but can be prosecuted under federal, state and local laws.
Nonsense. The Constitution is not Schrodinger's cat.
Learn to Read

United States

#116240 Oct 11, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you remember when someone commented about him not wearing his wedding ring a few years ago and they claimed it was out being repaired? Do you remember this Snopes article?
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/ramadan....
Yep. Got a point?(but thanks for reinforcing the fact that the obsession with Obama's ring has been around for years and yet no one - not even Stumpy's fake wife - noticed the secret message until Corsi concocted the fable)

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#116241 Oct 11, 2012
Poppo wrote:
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Nothing a birfoon says is 100 percent true as the contrary is generally the case Rogue. A six-month moratorium on exploratory “water” drilling did not stop all Gulf oil production nor did it stop Oil production on federal lands which actually rose 3.7 percent in 2011.
I’m not familiar with the Bush refinery or his efforts in expanding any. You might also want to tell your birfoon friend that Obama is not in the business of building oil refineries either. Obviously refineries are not the problem or we wouldn’t be a net exporter of finished petroleum products.
At any rate Obama is not responsible for higher prices at the pump any more than under Bush when the price of gasoline increased from $1.60 per gallon when he took office in January 2001 to $4.40 per gallon in July 2008, a jump of 275 percent.
The fact is the birfoon lied when he said Obama has stopped oil production on public lands and shut down all gulf production. Oh and least I forget, stopped building refineries. LOL
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/state...
But Obama's EPA is in the business of shutting down refineries. The Sunoco refinery in New Jersey was shit down because of EPA demands and then Obama's goons bought out the refinery and EPA WAIVED their former rulings!!! Yep, Obama's Pay to Play game hard at work rewarding his supporters.
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#116242 Oct 11, 2012
I see where the Independents are moving away from Omama and are moving towards Romney. That might spell "The End".

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#116243 Oct 11, 2012
Excuse me, it was a Sunoco plant in Philadelphia. Not New Jersey

Deal will keep Sunoco's Philadelphia refinery operating; July 04, 2012|By Andrew Maykuth, Inquirer Staff Writer

http://articles.philly.com/2012-07-04/news/32...
Ellen1

Dedham, MA

#116244 Oct 11, 2012
LRS wrote:
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I don't agree with your first statement. An alien owes allegiance to our "laws" not our "country".
And that is what "subject to the jurisdiction" means.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#116245 Oct 11, 2012
And after Katrina hit the Gulf states many refineries where shut for weeks. As a result of that the Bush administration promoted increasing refinery capacity. Many of the projects were not completed until 2009-2010 where the Obama administration tried to shut down older plants and sent the EPA to shake them up.
It was funny that Sunoco thought it could not economically rebuild their Phili plant and decided to close it but the Obama administration forced them to sell to His Boys and the EPA lightened up on them.
Sort of Robbin' the Hood!
Johannes

Yucaipa, CA

#116246 Oct 11, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
Number one, the Korea War have NOT ended!
Vietnam ended because the Democrat controlled Congress defunded the war and South Vietnam surrendered nine months later.
Kuwait is free as is Saudi Arabia and there is a free flow of oil out of the Persian Gulf!
As far as Iraq, we may have pulled out to soon and as long as Iraq does not fall apart before the election, Obama does not care. And just as soon as the election is over, Obama will most probably with draw our troops under short notice.
As far a support despots like Marcoes of the Philippines, Pinochet of Chile, etc. I do not agree. You seem to be upset because they were killing your fellow communists than anything else!
Yep, those Democrats voting the voice of the people instead of using Lifer Logic. How dare they!!!
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#116247 Oct 11, 2012
Ah, I love being a Simple Man!

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“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

United States

#116248 Oct 11, 2012
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't agree with your first statement. An alien owes allegiance to our "laws" not our "country".
What part of "ALLEGIANCE TO THE UNITED STATES" does LRS not comprehend?

“... of the compact also redound to aliens residing within the territory of the United States, who are deemed to owe temporary ALLEGIANCE TO THE UNITED STATES and thereby are entitled to the reciprocal protections of the Constitution. See United States v. Barona ....”(emphasis added)
Ashkir v. U.S., 46 Fed.Cl. 438, 2000 WL 348805, Fed.Cl., April 04, 2000 (NO. 96-351L).
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
An alien in the US owes temporary allegiance to the US and therefore must obey the laws of the US.
An alien owes temporary allegiance to the host country while under the jurisdiction and protection of the host country.
“All strangers are under the protection of the sovereign while they are within his territories, and owe a temporary allegiance in return for that protection.”
Carlisle v. United States 83 U.S. 147, 154 (1872).
“...of the compact also redound to aliens residing within the territory of the United States, who are deemed to owe temporary allegiance TO THE UNITED STATES and thereby are entitled to the reciprocal protections of the Constitution. See United States v. Barona... 11. Abate”(emphasis added)
Ashkir v. U.S., 46 Fed.Cl. 438, 2000 WL 348805, Fed.Cl., April 04, 2000 (NO. 96-351L).
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Hmmmm. "[R]eciprocal protections of the Constitution."
Of course in Birfoonistan, that is not possible because aliens are not under the jurisdiction thereof.
Hee hee.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#116249 Oct 11, 2012
Learn to Read wrote:
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Yep. Got a point?(but thanks for reinforcing the fact that the obsession with Obama's ring has been around for years and yet no one - not even Stumpy's fake wife - noticed the secret message until Corsi concocted the fable)
"concocted"? They have photos! I know, still can't see snow!

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#116251 Oct 11, 2012
Johannes wrote:
<quoted text>
Yep, those Democrats voting the voice of the people instead of using Lifer Logic. How dare they!!!
It was the Democrats who escalated the Vietnam War under LBJ and then decided to only fight in South Vietnam. We did not mine Haiphong Harbor until 1972 under Nixon. Just think if we had done that in 1962?
It was LBJ that allowed the war to drag on until the people lost confidence in our military. Did you know we were not allowed to attack SAM sites until after they were built because LBJ worried about killing a few Russians?
Now, look at the Persian Gulf War which the ground war lasted only 100 hours. Kick azz, take names and leave.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#116252 Oct 11, 2012
By the way Johannes, since when has the Democrat Party worried about what the people wanted? Tow thirds of all Americans did not want Obama Care yet it was shoved down our throats. And Americans where very upset that the Democrat controlled Congress defunded the S. Vietnamese while the Russians gave all the support the N. Vietnamese wanted.
And just like snow in southern Caliphonia, you will never admit it!

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#116253 Oct 11, 2012
Johannes wrote:
<quoted text>
Yep, those Democrats voting the voice of the people instead of using Lifer Logic. How dare they!!!
Yep, and the result was that a half million Vietnamese and one and a half million Cambodians were murdered!!! Just like at our embassy at Benghazi!!!
Ellen1

Dedham, MA

#116254 Oct 11, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
Number one, the Korea War have NOT ended!
Vietnam ended because the Democrat controlled Congress defunded the war and South Vietnam surrendered nine months later.
Kuwait is free as is Saudi Arabia and there is a free flow of oil out of the Persian Gulf!
As far as Iraq, we may have pulled out to soon and as long as Iraq does not fall apart before the election, Obama does not care. And just as soon as the election is over, Obama will most probably with draw our troops under short notice.
As far a support despots like Marcoes of the Philippines, Pinochet of Chile, etc. I do not agree. You seem to be upset because they were killing your fellow communists than anything else!
The Vietnam War ended when Nixon, a Republican, signed a deal with the North Vietnamese in Paris. The NVA did not honor that deal, but the US withdrawal had already occurred. The war was over; there were no more troops (except training troops) in South Vietnam. Then, when NVA attacked SVA it was a war between those two countries. Ford asked the Congress to authorize force against the NVA. The Congress answered: "No way! We are not going to get involved in Vietnam again!" and it didn't.

The bottom line is that in the final war, we did not lose since we were not involved. The South lost to the North.
Ellen1

Dedham, MA

#116255 Oct 11, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
Number one, the Korea War have NOT ended!
Vietnam ended because the Democrat controlled Congress defunded the war and South Vietnam surrendered nine months later.
Kuwait is free as is Saudi Arabia and there is a free flow of oil out of the Persian Gulf!
As far as Iraq, we may have pulled out to soon and as long as Iraq does not fall apart before the election, Obama does not care. And just as soon as the election is over, Obama will most probably with draw our troops under short notice.
As far a support despots like Marcoes of the Philippines, Pinochet of Chile, etc. I do not agree. You seem to be upset because they were killing your fellow communists than anything else!
Re Iraq. Iraq, our ally, asked us to leave, and we did. It may have been too soon, but that was their decision to make.
Ellen1

Dedham, MA

#116256 Oct 11, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
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First of all, all your source talks about is the FIRST "Kenyan" document that showed up and it was obviously forged and forged by Liberals as a "red Herring".
http://www.wnd.com/2009/08/105764/
They release this obviously fraudulent document because they knew another document would be released soon. Now this one has never been debunked.
http://thekansascitian.blogspot.com/2010/09/o...
Now, if Obama wants to debunk this BC too, all he has to do is let someone take a footprints! But that he will never do!!!
Again, the first Kenyan BC was a forgery made by Liberals to be a red herring, and nothing more!
It is the "Kenyan birth certificate" with the footprint that was forged. In fact, all three of them were forged, but the one with the footprint was the one showed by Lucas D. Smith, a convicted felon, one of whose crimes was FORGERY.

The “born in Kenya” story is the height of the loony side of the birther movement. It is based on forgeries like that of Lucas D. Smith, and falsifications–such as the claim that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya—when she actually said right on the same tape that he was born IN HAWAII, and she said in another interview that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama’s birth was in a letter FROM HAWAII.

Lucas D. Smith, a convicted felon, claimed that he went to Kenya and got Obama’s birth certificate at a hospital in Mombasa. But Lucas D. Smith has constantly refused to show proof that he, Smith, had ever gone to Kenya. All that he would have to do would be to show a Kenya stamp on a page of a passport, but Lucas D. Smith has refused to do that, constantly, and he has also constantly refused to say why he will not show that proof.(Moreover, his “birth certificate” uses US date formats [month/day/year] and not the day/month/year format used in Kenya.)

Laying aside for a moment the overwhelming proof that Obama was born in Hawaii, the evidence that Obama was NOT born in Kenya is also very strong. There were a grand total of 21 people who came to the USA from Kenya in 1961. Of these only seven were US citizens. And the birther myth has always been that Obama’s parents went there and returned by plane, but only one person came to the USA from Kenya in 1961 by plane and that person was, wait for it, NOT a US citizen.

And the Kenyan government investigated the “born in Kenya” story, and found that it was not true.

“Jon Chessoni, a first secretary at the Kenyan Embassy in Washington, can’t understand why his office gets so many baseless questions about whether Barack Obama was born in Kenya.

“It’s madness,” said Chessoni on Monday.“His father, in 1961, would not even have been in Kenya. When this matter first came up, the Kenyan government did its research and confirmed that these are all baseless claims.””

http://washingtonindependent.com/53654/forged …

Obama has a Hawaii birth certificate that says that he was born in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital, and the officials of both parties in Hawaii have confirmed that fact. It is also confirmed by the birth announcement in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961, which were sent to the papers only by the DOH of Hawaii.

Obama’s birth announcement appeared in a section of the newspapers called Health Bureau Statistics. As the name indicates, and as the papers and the DOH also say, ONLY the DOH of Hawaii could send birth notices to the Health Bureau Statistics section of the paper. And the DOH only sent out those notices for children that it had issued birth certificates for, and in 1961 the DOH was not allowed to register the births of children who were not born in Hawaii.

LRS

Shreveport, LA

#116257 Oct 11, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
What part of "ALLEGIANCE TO THE UNITED STATES" does LRS not comprehend?
“... of the compact also redound to aliens residing within the territory of the United States, who are deemed to owe temporary ALLEGIANCE TO THE UNITED STATES and thereby are entitled to the reciprocal protections of the Constitution. See United States v. Barona ....”(emphasis added)
Ashkir v. U.S., 46 Fed.Cl. 438, 2000 WL 348805, Fed.Cl., April 04, 2000 (NO. 96-351L).
<quoted text>
I understand perfectly that an alien owes temporary allegiance to our laws not our country. When I recite the pledge, it is to the flag and the republic for which it stands. An alien (visiting) does not pledge his allegiance to this country. Like I said, enough of your play on words and twisted conclusions.
Grand Birther

Oregon, OH

#116259 Oct 11, 2012
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't agree with your first statement. An alien owes allegiance to our "laws" not our "country".
Is there a country without written laws?

What of failed states?
Grand Birther

Oregon, OH

#116260 Oct 11, 2012
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
I understand perfectly that an alien owes temporary allegiance to our laws not our country. When I recite the pledge, it is to the flag and the republic for which it stands. An alien (visiting) does not pledge his allegiance to this country. Like I said, enough of your play on words and twisted conclusions.
Since when was the Pledge codified?

You are not under the jurisdiction because of a pledge.

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