Area gun sales, fears rising

Area gun sales, fears rising

There are 7574 comments on the North Port Sun story from Nov 14, 2012, titled Area gun sales, fears rising. In it, North Port Sun reports that:

Gun stores in Charlotte County have experienced increased sales since Election Day as local gun owners brace for an anticipated restriction of gun laws following the re-election of President Barack Obama.

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Spocko

Oakland, CA

#2372 Dec 31, 2012
xxxrayted wrote:
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I don't know. Why is that? Doesn't anybody trust Democrats anymore?
Bullet tax proposal is new twist in gun-control debate
By Stateline December 29, 2012 6:55 am
Stateline - The Newtown, Connecticut school shooting has reactivated many familiar gun-control measures at both the state and federal level, from assault weapons bans to universal background checks for gun purchasers. But it's also inspiring some new or mostly new ideas, including one in Connecticut: a hefty tax on bullets.
The Hartford Courant reported last week that two Democratic legislators were proposing a new 50 percent tax on bullets as part of a broader gun-control bill. The Connecticut legislation is one sign that the gun-control debate that the shootings will prompt next year in statehouses around the country could morph into an ammunition-control debate, too.
The idea of a bullet tax isn't totally original. In 1993, U.S. Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan of New York proposed a 10,000 percent tax on one especially lethal type of bullet. Still, when Cook County, Illinois was considering a five-cent-per-bullet tax this fall, the Wall Street Journal reported that no state or local government had adopted one. Facing political resistance, Cook County Board President Toni Preckwinkle ultimately dropped the bullet tax proposal and instead imposed a new tax on gun purchases.
The Connecticut bill isn't the only proposal since the Newtown shooting to focus on bullets. Three Democratic legislators in Wisconsin have proposed banning hollow-point bullets, which cause more damage on impact than regular bullets. City officials in San Francisco have proposed banning them, too.
After the shooting, Marc Ambinder of The Week laid out the case for focusing on bullet control instead of gun control. "The 300 million guns that are in private hands aren't going away," Ambinder wrote. In contrast, he argued, ammunition is easier to restrict. "Guns are forever, but ammo degrades, even if stored in precisely proper conditions and humidors that criminals don't often have."
http://www.gopusa.com/news/2012/12/29/bullet-...
Oh what paucity, how many times have we heard these NRA semantics from the gun-a-holic crowd? Indeed, how many times have you uttered, or typed those lame words during a conversation or debate? And then cutting it short by misdirecting that we have nothing useful to offer. Followed by an insistence that nothing we suggest will work and rounded out with the common refrain that criminals won't obey the laws. We have had a broken system for tracking guns for a very long time and the NRA likes it that way! Effective gun laws are routinely and severely hindered by an endless supply of NRA-backed legislative restrictions. For example, the law prohibits A.T.F. agents from making more than one unannounced inspection a year on a gun dealer, a rule that serves no purpose other than protecting unscrupulous and dishonest dealers. Language included in every A.T.F. appropriations bill since 1979 has prohibited the bureau from putting gun sales records into a central computer database, courtesy of the NRA! The so-called Tiahrt amendments, attached to federal spending bills, require the federal government to destroy the background check records of gun buyers within 24 hours of approval, courtesy of the NRA. The NRA operates like the Politburo in Russia, with threats and intimidation, not like a democratic process that we supposedly have!

“Stop the Brain Rot”

Since: Jan 12

Take a Looonng Vacation

#2373 Dec 31, 2012
xxxrayted wrote:
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When criminals start using bazookas and machine guns against their victims, then they should be readily available to the public.
Nice job of missing the point.

“Stop the Brain Rot”

Since: Jan 12

Take a Looonng Vacation

#2374 Dec 31, 2012
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
No, the responsible thing to do is save for your retirement. It's the irresponsible who are planning on living off SS the rest of their lives that are the problem. Now there is talk by the Democrats to steal our saved money and infuse it into social security. Like all government programs, it's a train headed for a brick wall.
Most people don't plan to live off SS for the rest of their lives. And secondly, it's not up to you to tell them how to plan or how to live, anyway.

Nothing worse than a right winger who thinks he gets to decide for other people, all the while hypocritically demanding that the government not decide for them.
Spocko

Oakland, CA

#2375 Dec 31, 2012
eternal cynic wrote:
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You show your ignorance again. It’s not really a silencer; you’ve watched a few too many Hollywood movies. Suppressor is a more accurate term. It does quiet the rapidly expanding gas produced by the explosion. However, it doesn’t silence the gun. You’ll still have sound from the gas, just not as loud and you still have the small sonic boom of the bullet.
I sometimes target practice inside my home. I have a bullet trap capable of catching a .22LR projectile. To reduce the noise I use subsonic rounds. Sounds like a pellet gun being discharged, very quiet. No silencer needed. Also there’s not much energy behind the round.
The American Silencer Association is not an arm of the NRA. If you bothered to become educated you would learn they call them a hearing protection device. Do read http://americansilencerassociation.com/
Read this about the NRA and their recent attitude toward suppressors http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2011/11/fogh...
Pressure from the membership has caused the NRA to finally push to legalize suppressors . This is a very recent change. Still, the ASA is not part of the NRA.
You constantly disseminate inaccurate information about the NRA. You parrot what ignorant reporters say. Their opinions are not fact and often they don’t bother to research. I’m a benefactor level NRA member and Presidents Council. Do I always agree with the NRA? No and I don’t expect to agree with everything they do.
You on the other hand believe the NRA is responsible for everything related to firearms, the truth is they’re not that powerful. While they wield a great deal of influence in government they have no real power. How does the NRA receive their funding?
Visit http://www.nra.org to learn the truth about their mission. Also visit http://www.nraila.org to learn more about the interaction between the NRA and our government.
What exactly does the NRA want to take away from you? I know what liberal turds are trying to take from me.
Want to see prolific lying? Visit the VPC or Brady Campaign.
You are repeating NRA nonsense like a broken record! LaPierre and NRA president David Keane are professional liars and are paid a cool $970,000 to do so and do it well. The NRA’s mission is simply stated, right at the top: To protect and defend the gun makers using the 2nd amendment as a shameless front. It was not always like that, the NRA completely changed when it LaPierre decided to endorse Ronald Reagan and to start a massive lobbying effort in D.C. financed by the big gun manufacturers. To accomplish this, the NRA has close to a 1000 full time employees spending $50 Million in salaries and wages. The NRA is now in business to enrich gun manufacturers and leave us to pay the price in blood. The NRA has even held up an international treaty designed to stem the flow and profiteering from small arms traffic to war lords and rogue regimes, falsely claiming that it would lead to gun confiscation in the United States.
Yeah

Honolulu, HI

#2376 Dec 31, 2012
xxxrayted wrote:
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I just explained that to you, but you refuse to listen. We have an anti-business President in charge with an anti-business Senate behind him. The Republicans are trying to do all they can to stop us from becoming Greece and the Democrats are trying to do all they can to make us Greece.
Your President wants to increase taxes enough to run the country for less than two business weeks. That's the Democrat solution to our financial problems. Republicans understand that all the tax increases in this country can't match the massive overspending by Washington. We need cuts, cuts, cuts, but the Democrats won't even allow us to cut funds to PBS and NPR, so how are they going to address the more serious cuts?
The problem here is social programs. Half of this country receives some sort of handout from the federal government. Democrats understand that the more government dependents we have, the more likely Democrat voters. Use our last election as an example. Never has such a failed President won reelection.
Democrats have no desire to cut spending because that would mean less government dependents which in turn means less Democrat voters. Until DumBama wises up or until people are politically intelligent enough to understand we need conservative leadership all the way around, we will continue down this very same road.
As for Commie Care killing industry, I have a whole folder of jobs already lost because of that program, and it's not even in full swing yet. Need those stories? just ask.
No son. Republicans don't understand. Which is why they simply want to freeze the budgets for the military. The military is also an "entitlement" program but of a different nature. The tea-p wants cuts, cuts, cuts, but only to those programs that don't affect them.

This is why I found Ryan's commercials so disingenuous when he used his own mom as a tool to claim there would be no changes in benefits to those who received SS. What he (and Romney) failed to mention was where the change would occur and how much.

The R&R railroad also seemed to have little in detail as to what programs they planned on cutting (except for the military, of course.) In my mind, they were looking for a lot of wiggle room while promising everyone everything.

I don't know where you get your information about half the country getting "handouts," but I suspect if that's true, it also includes companies. Defense contractors would be a good example of that.

Obama offered a better plan for cons last year, and they spit at it. And they claimed it a "victory."

Now they're begging for it.

Such stupidity by conservatives in order to promote their politics first and Americans second.
xxxrayted

Brook Park, OH

#2377 Dec 31, 2012
Spocko wrote:
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Oh what paucity, how many times have we heard these NRA semantics from the gun-a-holic crowd? Indeed, how many times have you uttered, or typed those lame words during a conversation or debate? And then cutting it short by misdirecting that we have nothing useful to offer. Followed by an insistence that nothing we suggest will work and rounded out with the common refrain that criminals won't obey the laws. We have had a broken system for tracking guns for a very long time and the NRA likes it that way! Effective gun laws are routinely and severely hindered by an endless supply of NRA-backed legislative restrictions. For example, the law prohibits A.T.F. agents from making more than one unannounced inspection a year on a gun dealer, a rule that serves no purpose other than protecting unscrupulous and dishonest dealers. Language included in every A.T.F. appropriations bill since 1979 has prohibited the bureau from putting gun sales records into a central computer database, courtesy of the NRA! The so-called Tiahrt amendments, attached to federal spending bills, require the federal government to destroy the background check records of gun buyers within 24 hours of approval, courtesy of the NRA. The NRA operates like the Politburo in Russia, with threats and intimidation, not like a democratic process that we supposedly have!
The Democrats had two years of full power to change or institute just about anything they wanted. Like all the other things they said they were against, they left those regulations alone. They recently passed reenactment for our surveillance programs that the Democrats were so against during the Bush years. DumBama signed it.

The NRA is just like the environmentalists or unions. They have politicians that represent them. Groups form to have political power and those politicians are beholden to honor their concerns. Nothing all that unusual. It's just the idea you don't care for Americans who believe in the right to own and use firearms when needed. But we are strong and united. You're just going to have to live with that. It's the Democratic process.
Yeah

Honolulu, HI

#2378 Dec 31, 2012
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
No, the responsible thing to do is save for your retirement. It's the irresponsible who are planning on living off SS the rest of their lives that are the problem. Now there is talk by the Democrats to steal our saved money and infuse it into social security. Like all government programs, it's a train headed for a brick wall.
Oh? This is the first I've heard of ".... talk by the Democrats to steal our saved money and infuse it into social security...."

... or is this simply talk on your part?

Care to expand on YOUR point?
xxxrayted

Brook Park, OH

#2379 Dec 31, 2012
tha Professor wrote:
<quoted text>
Most people don't plan to live off SS for the rest of their lives. And secondly, it's not up to you to tell them how to plan or how to live, anyway.
Nothing worse than a right winger who thinks he gets to decide for other people, all the while hypocritically demanding that the government not decide for them.
Where did I say that "I" should decide for other people? I never said that. I said it's the responsible thing to do to save money for when you get older.

Most people do have retirement accounts, but a third of the adults in our country don't. That's a problem:

http://assets.aarp.org/rgcenter/ppi/image/old...

“Why call 911? 1911 is faster”

Since: Feb 08

Wesley Chapel, FL

#2380 Dec 31, 2012
Yeah wrote:
<quoted text>No. Reagan increased taxes.
Reagan signed a 23% cut of all personal income taxes.

http://money.cnn.com/2010/09/08/news/economy/...

Keep the faith, one day you’ll be correct.

“Why call 911? 1911 is faster”

Since: Feb 08

Wesley Chapel, FL

#2381 Dec 31, 2012
Spocko wrote:
<quoted text>
You are repeating NRA nonsense like a broken record! LaPierre and NRA president David Keane are professional liars and are paid a cool $970,000 to do so and do it well. The NRA’s mission is simply stated, right at the top: To protect and defend the gun makers using the 2nd amendment as a shameless front. It was not always like that, the NRA completely changed when it LaPierre decided to endorse Ronald Reagan and to start a massive lobbying effort in D.C. financed by the big gun manufacturers. To accomplish this, the NRA has close to a 1000 full time employees spending $50 Million in salaries and wages. The NRA is now in business to enrich gun manufacturers and leave us to pay the price in blood. The NRA has even held up an international treaty designed to stem the flow and profiteering from small arms traffic to war lords and rogue regimes, falsely claiming that it would lead to gun confiscation in the United States.
Prove me wrong liberal turd.
Dan Salazar

Long Beach, CA

#2382 Dec 31, 2012
People who want to arm Teachers are crazy. They are UNION. They can't be trusted to protect anyone but themselves.

“Why call 911? 1911 is faster”

Since: Feb 08

Wesley Chapel, FL

#2383 Dec 31, 2012
Spocko wrote:
<quoted text>
You are repeating NRA nonsense like a broken record! LaPierre and NRA president David Keane are professional liars and are paid a cool $970,000 to do so and do it well. The NRA’s mission is simply stated, right at the top: To protect and defend the gun makers using the 2nd amendment as a shameless front. It was not always like that, the NRA completely changed when it LaPierre decided to endorse Ronald Reagan and to start a massive lobbying effort in D.C. financed by the big gun manufacturers. To accomplish this, the NRA has close to a 1000 full time employees spending $50 Million in salaries and wages. The NRA is now in business to enrich gun manufacturers and leave us to pay the price in blood. The NRA has even held up an international treaty designed to stem the flow and profiteering from small arms traffic to war lords and rogue regimes, falsely claiming that it would lead to gun confiscation in the United States.
Their mission is stated at the top to protect manufacturers? Right, you’ve had enough medical marijuana. You’re clearly high.

The price being paid in blood is from the actions of criminals, not the NRA. Like the typical liberal turd you’re unable to distinguish between a constitutionally protected right for law abiding citizens and the actions of criminals.

The NRA did oppose the UN Small Arms Treaty. So what, would you expect otherwise? The NRA wasn’t alone in the opposition of the treaty.

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#2384 Dec 31, 2012
tha Professor wrote:
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And secondly, it's not up to you to tell them how to plan or how to live, anyway.
Yes it most certainly is "up to" those of us who are sick and tired of seeing our tax money supporting lazy pieces of crap who wouldn't work if their lives depended on it.

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#2385 Dec 31, 2012
Spocko wrote:
<quoted text>
The NRA has even held up an international treaty designed to stem the flow and profiteering from small arms traffic to war lords and rogue regimes
I seriously doubt the NRA going to stop the United States government from continuing to profit from arms traffic to war lords and rogue regimes.

See: Fast & Furious

“Why call 911? 1911 is faster”

Since: Feb 08

Wesley Chapel, FL

#2386 Dec 31, 2012
La Santa Muerte wrote:
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I seriously doubt the NRA going to stop the United States government from continuing to profit from arms traffic to war lords and rogue regimes.
See: Fast & Furious
They seem to think the NRA is the most powerful organization on earth.
xxxrayted

Brook Park, OH

#2387 Dec 31, 2012
eternal cynic wrote:
<quoted text>
They seem to think the NRA is the most powerful organization on earth.
Well, it's either them or BIG BUSINESS. LOL!
Patriot

Longmont, CO

#2388 Dec 31, 2012
What happens historicly when a population is disarmed?(If you don't know, watch this video...XXYOUTUBE-OBhHgnPHKUEX X)

What do the globalists, through their planted puppet Soetoro/Obama have planned to do to US after they strip US of Our defense? It would be worth your time to seek out the knowledge contained within: HR645( http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/111/hr6... )... REX84(suspension of Our Constitution in an 'emergency')... NDAA(indefinite of anyone deemed a terrorist, or accused of supporting a terror organization, which btw, Barry Soetoro/Barack Hussein Obama is guilty of - http://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2010/08/3... )... HR347(banning protests in certain areas)....

“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#2389 Dec 31, 2012
eternal cynic wrote:
<quoted text>
Reagan signed a 23% cut of all personal income taxes.
http://money.cnn.com/2010/09/08/news/economy/...
Keep the faith, one day you’ll be correct.
And doubled revenues to the fed govt in the process. Another FACT the libtards fail to acknowledge.
Spocko

Oakland, CA

#2391 Dec 31, 2012
Armed Veteran wrote:
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And doubled revenues to the fed govt in the process. Another FACT the libtards fail to acknowledge.
The dogs are barking but the caravan moves on. Reagan also tripled the national debt in his eight years in office with his obsession of the cold war. Reagan got Congress to cut taxes but not to make proportionate spending cuts. It is, in fact, Reagan who is the father of our massive national debt. On his watch the debt surpassed a once-unheard-of $1 trillion in Reagan's first year in office, and it was nearly $3 trillion when he left. A modern precedent had been set. A scant 22 years after he left office, the debt has ballooned to $14 trillion with an additional $1.5 trillion coming this fiscal year. Except for wars and economic depressions, this growth in debt was virtually unprecedented. Even during the Vietnam War, the rise of the Great Society and the "guns and butter" debate of the '60s, the federal debt rose only from about $285 billion in 1960 to $370 billion in 1970.
http://blogcritics.org/politics/article/ronal...
Spocko

Oakland, CA

#2392 Dec 31, 2012
eternal cynic wrote:
<quoted text>
They seem to think the NRA is the most powerful organization on earth.
Not hardly! The NRA a grocley, moraly corrupt and single issue organization. To be fair, it only started to turn from useful to malignant after LaPierre took over and became the master liar and manipulator!

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