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2008 Presidential Election

On schools, Obama is enemy of change

I know, because admirers of Sen. Barack Obama tell me, that this year's election poses a choice between a candidate who represents a fresh approach to problems and one who offers a dreary continuation of the ...

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Mary Porter
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Jul 22, 2008
 

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It is true that, eight years into the NCLB boondoggle, we have no educational progress to show for the billions of dollars the Bushies have funneled to their cronies and contributors in the edubusiness sector. This surely doesn't argue for ladling yet more public gravy onto the private for-profit "school improvement industry"!

This reporter is really voicing nothing but mealy-mouthed and self-serving promotion of economic opportunism. It reminds me of the jingoism that fed the Republican profiteering, waste, self-dealing, and betrayal in other instances: the reconstruction of Iraq, military procurement contracts, the FEMA response to Katrina, and the subcontracting of veterans health at Walter Reed Hospital.

American public education is going to remain public, and the New Schools Venture Fund parasites are just going to have to find something else to do with their capital now that their political domination is over.
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No vouchers, no way! Obama supports strengthening public school education. The truth is, there are not that many private school slots to help out public school students (and vouchers haven't proven effective). So a few kids get vouchers and choose a public school. There's always going to be many many more who will have to end up in a public school. This voucher crap is a diversion from fixing our broken system.

The Feds have not funneled that much $$ into public education. You can say "billions" and it might sound like a lot but Montgomery County's total school budget is in the billions! This Fed $$ is getting dispersed in small quantities around the vastness of our country and giving states a little boost to fund education.

NCLB is a grossly underfunded mandate with little thought into how schools should be reformed. If the Feds are serious, they will revamp NCLB, fund it adequately, and improve the deliverables by giving states the options to use programs that have been proven effective in inner city and struggling school populations.

Actually, I strongly believe vouchers will take perpetuate the status quo b/c only a small fraction of these kids in public schools will be able to go. The public schools will remain and vouchers will be the excuse for not fixing them.

Other countries have been successful; so can we.

VOUCHERS, just like the war, ARE NOT THE ANSWER!!!

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Vouchers are just a giveaway for rich people unless they are undertaken with certain caveats.

FIRST: Any school that accepts vouchers has to accept the voucher as full payment. No "balance billing" for the rest of the tuition. Otherwise vouchers just subsidize the education of rich people. Private school in this area costs around $20,000 a year. A voucher worth $5,000 won't let any poor kid go to a private school; it will just put an extra $5,000 in the pockets of rich people who would send their kids to that school regardless.

SECOND: Schools that take vouchers must accept all applicants. No "cherry picking" the best kids. Otherwise the whole concept of having them "compete" with public schools is unfair; the public schools have to accept everyone, and would be stuck with the worst of the worst.

Without those two restrictions, vouchers are like the flat tax -- a boondoggle perpetrated by the rich on the rest of us.

(Of course, it is by no means in the interest of the ruling elites to have a well-educated populace! If the public was educated and informed, George Bush would have been in jail 15 years ago for insider trading.)
bin laden
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Jul 22, 2008
 
obama sucks!

just ask larry sinclair!
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Jul 23, 2008
 
oBama

oSama

the only difference is the BS...
RRT-MD
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Jul 23, 2008
 
Never forget that it is in the interest of the Democratic Party to have an undereducated electorate!
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Jul 24, 2008
 
RRT-MD wrote:
Never forget that it is in the interest of the Democratic Party to have an undereducated electorate!
that's preposterous! you have it backwards. look at the IQ of democratic voters vs. republicans. look at the cumulative IQ over red states vs. blue. look at the studies of people who tend to vote either way. you'll see that you have it backwards. poor and uneducated people tend to vote democratic b/c it's the party that has any compassion towards them.

and republicans voted for bush; a man who can't put together complete sentences and who butchers vocabulary. more than his lack of verbal skills, he has totally wrecked our country, creating record debt levels, screwing up everything from katrina to the middle east.

should we thank you educated voters for this blessing?
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Jul 24, 2008
 
RRT-MD wrote:
Never forget that it is in the interest of the Democratic Party to have an undereducated electorate!
From the looks of the comments here they have succeded beyond their wildest dreams.
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Jul 24, 2008
 
Indie wrote:
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that's preposterous! you have it backwards. look at the IQ of democratic voters vs. republicans. look at the cumulative IQ over red states vs. blue. look at the studies of people who tend to vote either way. you'll see that you have it backwards. poor and uneducated people tend to vote democratic b/c it's the party that has any compassion towards them.
and republicans voted for bush; a man who can't put together complete sentences and who butchers vocabulary. more than his lack of verbal skills, he has totally wrecked our country, creating record debt levels, screwing up everything from katrina to the middle east.
should we thank you educated voters for this blessing?
Maybe you should thank the democrats who couldn't find a candidate to beat him.
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Jul 25, 2008
 
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Maybe you should thank the democrats who couldn't find a candidate to beat him.
we probably did beat him but we'll never be able to prove how the election was rigged. i'll believe this explanation b/c the other points towards how stupid america really is. i'd hate to believe that.
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Jul 25, 2008
 
and i'm independent. both parties are failing us.
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