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Thanks Barry Dysert. Let's hear it for ignorance and the Dark Ages! Is there any way we can bring back the Spanish Inquisition to get all our political and religious thinking in order?
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Geez
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OK let's see...
(1) If the government isn't neutral on religion, what is the chosen one? God is a concept with many terms used by many religions. I haven't yet found the word Jesus in the Constitution or Bill of Rights.
(2) You forgot a choice ... to save the life of the mother in some cases. Are you going to be Solomon, Barry?
(3) "some authors and outspoken scientists" more accurate refers to what I presume is your side, Barry. The majority are not outspoken, they just go about their work either recognizing or utilizing the broad scientific base of data supporting evolution. By the way, don't confuse Darwinism with evolution ... oh, you already have. Sorry.
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LButts
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Of coursse, our nation is "religion-neutral." and that does mean that the governement is neutral. I thought everybody knew that, but, alas, you are just finding out. The vast majority of scientists beieve in evolution, just as they believe in chemistry, physics, botany, and all the other scinces. I believe in evolution and the Bible, and see no conflict. Why are they presumed to be mutually exclusive?
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Also flunked the test
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The First Amendment does not "merely prohibit[] the government from establishing a religion." It also prohibits the government from interfering with the free exercise of religion. I'm fairly certain that the government cannot do both if it is not neutral. Also, do you not see the inherent discrimination in your statement, "I could have chosen any woman who would have had me."
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Independent
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LButts wrote: Of coursse, our nation is "religion-neutral." and that does mean that the governement is neutral. I thought everybody knew that, but, alas, you are just finding out. The vast majority of scientists beieve in evolution, just as they believe in chemistry, physics, botany, and all the other scinces. I believe in evolution and the Bible, and see no conflict. Why are they presumed to be mutually exclusive? I do not believe in the bible what so ever. But, I would like to see your hypothesis which concludes any fact in the bible. What did you put to tests and what tests did you use toassemble facts to prove the bible.
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Leo
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Barry, you make some good points, but your last one is way off. According to polls, 95% of scientists accept evolution (http://www.religioustolerance .org/ev_publi.htm)
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Christian
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LButts wrote: Of coursse, our nation is "religion-neutral." and that does mean that the governement is neutral. I thought everybody knew that, but, alas, you are just finding out. The vast majority of scientists beieve in evolution, just as they believe in chemistry, physics, botany, and all the other scinces. I believe in evolution and the Bible, and see no conflict. Why are they presumed to be mutually exclusive? Genesis 1:27, So God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him, male and female He created them. Where do you bring evolution in to this fact concerning creation ?
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Geez
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Christian wrote: <quoted text> Genesis 1:27, So God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him, male and female He created them. Where do you bring evolution in to this fact concerning creation ? Oh my! You said the F word with respect to scripture. Fact, eh? Perhaps the translation of the original Genesis text to make it possible for you to read (and provide your personal interpretation) was wrong. Perhaps it should have been "God created man in His own imagination". Hmmm.
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Christian
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Geez wrote: <quoted text>
Oh my! You said the F word with respect to scripture. Fact, eh?
Perhaps the translation of the original Genesis text to make it possible for you to read (and provide your personal interpretation) was wrong. Perhaps it should have been "God created man in His own imagination". Hmmm. Perhaps your wrong, Hmmm
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LButts
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Independent wrote: <quoted text>I do not believe in the bible what so ever. But, I would like to see your hypothesis which concludes any fact in the bible. What did you put to tests and what tests did you use toassemble facts to prove the bible. I did not mean to imply that the Bible was historical, geological, or biological fact. I would have thought regular readers of my posts would know that about me. I believe the Bible - it is a great book of spiritual value, when used properly. I believe it contains great truths, great lessons, great ideas, but, I also believe in Aesop's Fables, and novels by Faulkner. I do not try to prove anything from the bible, and I would not even if tempted to do so by you.
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LButts
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Christian wrote: <quoted text> Genesis 1:27, So God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him, male and female He created them. Where do you bring evolution in to this fact concerning creation ? Give me a friggin break!
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LButts
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Christian wrote: <quoted text> Genesis 1:27, So God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him, male and female He created them. Where do you bring evolution in to this fact concerning creation ? As I mentioned earlier, "when used properly." The above is a great example of improper use of the Bible. I don't believe the bible should be used as a weapon, a hammer, a club, an instrument to divide one person from another. See how she did with this, it is a great example. She has faith that God created man (and woman) in his own image. Now, as I see it, she is telling me that she and I are alike - in fact images of God - yet see how she chastises me because I don't fall into the same narrow niche she is in? I'm not a christian, because I've met way too many of them!!!
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Geez
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Christian wrote: <quoted text> Perhaps your wrong, Hmmm That would be "you're" as in "you are". Perhaps, but neither of us know for sure; least of all you.
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Christian
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LButts wrote: <quoted text>As I mentioned earlier, "when used properly." The above is a great example of improper use of the Bible. I don't believe the bible should be used as a weapon, a hammer, a club, an instrument to divide one person from another. See how she did with this, it is a great example. She has faith that God created man (and woman) in his own image. Now, as I see it, she is telling me that she and I are alike - in fact images of God - yet see how she chastises me because I don't fall into the same narrow niche she is in? I'm not a christian, because I've met way too many of them!!! How can you say that by writing down exactly what the Bible says is using it in an improper way ? You make no sense in your statement, so far the only impropriety Iv'e read is in how your thought process is not working in a sensible way. Typical atheist, attack the messenger or message without putting thought into how ignorant you not only sound but are.
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Christian
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Geez wrote: <quoted text>
That would be "you're" as in "you are". Perhaps, but neither of us know for sure; least of all you. I'm glad you can spell, too bad you can't think for yourself but instead let the "scientist" do your thinking for you.
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Jimbo
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Christian wrote: <quoted text> Genesis 1:27, So God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him, male and female He created them. Where do you bring evolution in to this fact concerning creation ? Why do you assume that evolution is not God's tool?
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LButts
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Jerry wrote: The clear fact is that there IS a religious foundation to this nation. It is Christianity.
CHRIST is our true founder. We should live our lives and make our laws in the image of the great LAW as set down in the Scripture.
The Jews of New York and welfare animals of New Orleans have learned what happens to those who deviate from the path of the righteous.
Be careful. The LORD and HIS Son, JESUS CHRIST, have turned from us before. We MUST turn back tot hem with penitence in our hearts, lest we pay for our infidelity to the LAW. Does that mean that if we don't get circumcised, we are guilty of treason?
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LButts
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Christian wrote: <quoted text> How can you say that by writing down exactly what the Bible says is using it in an improper way ? You make no sense in your statement, so far the only impropriety Iv'e read is in how your thought process is not working in a sensible way. Typical atheist, attack the messenger or message without putting thought into how ignorant you not only sound but are. God be with you.
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Christian
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Jimbo wrote: <quoted text>
Why do you assume that evolution is not God's tool? Because the Word of God "Bible" does not claim that everything started through evolution, the Bible say's in Genesis 1:1, In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
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Jimbo
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Christian wrote: <quoted text> Because the Word of God "Bible" does not claim that everything started through evolution, Neither does evolution say that. Evolution is merely a description of how things happened after everything started. The Bible does not say what process or tools God used (actually, is using, because Creation is still going on); it only says that He performed the act.
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