BREAKING NEWS: House narrowly passes health care bill (10:30 p.m.)

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get a clue wrote:

this bill won't pass in the Senate... so sorry Nazi Pelosi!! Freak!

The senate has their own bill dumb ass. You tea baggers should leave out the Nazi crap.

Second Chance

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PlacitasRoy wrote:

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As the letter points out, the ONLY way a felony 'might' be imposed is through the IRS penalties for WILLFUL failure to pay the tax. There is NO mention of a felony for anything tax related in the bill. World Nut Daily remains among the worst of the Reich-wing POS propaganda sites.
As Politifact expalins: "the notion that one could go to prison for not buying insurance is certainly attention-grabbing, but based on past patterns of prosecution, the likelihood of it happening is extremely small." http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/state...
From an earlier reply:
I have [read the section]. According to PDF "Search" function, the word "Felony" appears only once & that was on page 241 concerning violating privacy. It does not appear anywhere else in the entire 1990 page bill. The applicable regulations begin on page 301. And the PDF will damn well choke your computer. The bill is here: http://docs.house.gov/rules/health/111_ahcaa ....
Additionally the bill does not impose tax on those below the threshold for filing a federal income tax return.
The Joint Committee on Taxation states: "The additional tax does not apply ... if the person's income is below the threshold for filing a Federal income tax return." Indeed, Section 501 of the bill imposes taxes on "the excess of ... the taxpayer's modified adjusted gross income for the taxable year over ... the amount of gross income specified in section 6012(a)(1)" of the Internal Revenue Code. Section 6012(a)(1) of the Internal Revenue Code provides that "a return is not required of an individual [who]... has gross income of less than the sum of the exemption amount plus the basic standard deduction applicable to such an individual."
http://docs.house.gov/rules/health/111_ahcaa ....
Politifact debunked this propaganda cr@p as it related to the Senate Bill: was debunked: "On Sept. 29, 2009, a subsidiary of the conservative group Americans for Prosperity [Major Teabagger sponsor and organizer] sent out an e-mail headlined, "Health Care Mandate Will Require Imprisonment and Fines for Americans Who Can’t Afford to Purchase Insurance or Pay Hefty Government Penalties."

"As Politifact expalins: "the notion that one could go to prison for not buying insurance is certainly attention-grabbing, but based on past patterns of prosecution, the likelihood of it happening is extremely small."

PlacitassRoy, unless you are Geithner or another one of the tax cheats among Obama's cabinet/czars, the fact remains that the language does state that you can be imprisoned for not buying health insurance.

Yet another case where you are stretching the hell out of the truth by denying that one could face prison by buying health insurance.

Veteran

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Disappointed patriot wrote:

Republicans continue to be the party of "No!" and get their knickers in a twist about everything. I'm still waiting for something other than hand wringing and fear mongering from them.
Such a shame. They used to have good ideas. Now its all about race, fear, slander, and paranoia.
How about some ideas that will actually help the country for a change?

Looks like Mike Hays, the intellectually stunted and irrelevant fool, has a new pen name.

Paul Lindsey

Since: Aug 09

ISP: Las Cruces, NM

HR 3962 is just a stepping stone to single-payer or Medicare-for-all. How do I know this? So stated Rep Alan Grayson (D-Fla) during the 1st hour of the Ed Schultz show on XM America Left on Friday, Nov 7th. Ed Schultz concured, stating that it will be "easy to modify" the bill once it becomes law.

Disappointed patriot

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When we get past all the sophomoric insults, and foul mouthed trolls, it is nice to see that democracy is working again. It is noisy, it is messy, it is ugly but ideas are having to survive the scrutiny of public debate and "Trust us, we're Republicans," just doesn't sell. Nobody's trusting anybody, which is perhaps how it should be.

Since: Sep 08

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Paul Lindsey wrote:

HR 3962 is just a stepping stone to single-payer or Medicare-for-all. How do I know this? So stated Rep Alan Grayson (D-Fla) during the 1st hour of the Ed Schultz show on XM America Left on Friday, Nov 7th. Ed Schultz concured, stating that it will be "easy to modify" the bill once it becomes law.

DAMN SURE HOPE SO.
Unfortunately Grayson is just a freshman Representative...but one of the best!

Since: Sep 08

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Second Chance wrote:

<quoted text>"As Politifact expalins: "the notion that one could go to prison for not buying insurance is certainly attention-grabbing, but based on past patterns of prosecution, the likelihood of it happening is extremely small."...
Yet another case where you are stretching the hell out of the truth by denying that one could face prison by buying health insurance.

Not me. Just the experts who are the impartial fact checkers. There is absolutely NO provision in the bill to send anyone to jail. World Nut Daily is flat out lying when it uses the term felony.

Fishbait

Cypress, CA

PlacitasRoy wrote:

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Not me. Just the experts who are the impartial fact checkers. There is absolutely NO provision in the bill to send anyone to jail. World Nut Daily is flat out lying when it uses the term felony.

Did you splat it new trade?

PoliticalQueen

Since: Nov 09

Watertown, NY

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PlacitasRoy wrote:

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As the letter points out, the ONLY way a felony 'might' be imposed is through the IRS penalties for WILLFUL failure to pay the tax. There is NO mention of a felony for anything tax related in the bill. World Nut Daily remains among the worst of the Reich-wing POS propaganda sites.
As Politifact expalins: "the notion that one could go to prison for not buying insurance is certainly attention-grabbing, but based on past patterns of prosecution, the likelihood of it happening is extremely small." http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/state...
From an earlier reply:
I have [read the section]. According to PDF "Search" function, the word "Felony" appears only once & that was on page 241 concerning violating privacy. It does not appear anywhere else in the entire 1990 page bill. The applicable regulations begin on page 301. And the PDF will damn well choke your computer. The bill is here: http://docs.house.gov/rules/health/111_ahcaa ....
Additionally the bill does not impose tax on those below the threshold for filing a federal income tax return.
The Joint Committee on Taxation states: "The additional tax does not apply ... if the person's income is below the threshold for filing a Federal income tax return." Indeed, Section 501 of the bill imposes taxes on "the excess of ... the taxpayer's modified adjusted gross income for the taxable year over ... the amount of gross income specified in section 6012(a)(1)" of the Internal Revenue Code. Section 6012(a)(1) of the Internal Revenue Code provides that "a return is not required of an individual [who]... has gross income of less than the sum of the exemption amount plus the basic standard deduction applicable to such an individual."
http://docs.house.gov/rules/health/111_ahcaa ....
Politifact debunked this propaganda cr@p as it related to the Senate Bill: was debunked: "On Sept. 29, 2009, a subsidiary of the conservative group Americans for Prosperity [Major Teabagger sponsor and organizer] sent out an e-mail headlined, "Health Care Mandate Will Require Imprisonment and Fines for Americans Who Can’t Afford to Purchase Insurance or Pay Hefty Government Penalties."

The bill refers to many other peices of established legislation. It does not have to directly say anything about punishement if there are laws already in place to define it. So you can use the search feature till your heart is content, but until you read the legislation you will not have the appropriate grasp on in. Also relying on Politifact and FactCheck is not healthy as they are there specifically to spin issues in the Obama Administration's direction. What you have posted, to me and others, would be like someone quoting Fox News to you. So be aware of your sources.

So yes the letter points out that people will only be brought up on Felony charges if they willfully do not pay the tax penalties assessed for not having health coverage, which is in the bill and was also one of Barack Obama's campaign promises. So as long as they fork over their money to something they don't beleive in or may not be able to afford they are safe. Just comply like a good little sheep.

BLOOD ON HIS HANDS

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Here they come - the harbingers of bad news.

Once you have lost your right to patient - Doctor centered
care you have lost your rights to freedom.

Thanks Nazi Pelousy and all the rest of the Dumb as
Crap party for destroying the best health care system
in the world to take care of 10 PERCENT of the uninisured -
even with this passing 5% of the people in the USA will
still not be covered. The amazing thing here is that
one of the biggest cost drivers (LITIGATION) HAS NOT
BEEN ADDRESSED - any guesses WHY? Well let me see
since the s-c-u-m of the earth - Trial Lawyers - still
will be able to reach into the medical jackpot arena
for huge amounts nothing will change, Doctors will leave
the profession, others will not become Doctors and
shortages and government mishandling of healthcare will
be worse than the worst government programs because now
they will be dealing with your healthcare and your LIFE.

On top of that if your not alarmed that the Government
already has 30% of the economy under their belt and now
they are going to add another 18%- which by the way
they have either just maintained or destroyed what gives
you any confidence that they can do this right?

Your representatives in Congress are voting their own
agendas and not what the vast majority of Americans
want. VOTE EM ALL OUT AND START OVER!

WAY TO GO DUMB AS CRAPS - you have hit a new low!

Since: Sep 08

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PoliticalQueen wrote:

<quoted text>......... Also relying on Politifact and FactCheck is not healthy as they are there specifically to spin issues in the Obama Administration's direction. What you have posted, to me and others, would be like someone quoting Fox News to you. So be aware of your sources....

Only dittoheads, foxholes, and teabaggers believe that cr@p. Demonstrate one misrepresentation, distortion, or LIE. You might not agree with some of their truth-o-meter ratings, I certainly do. While I've seen a couple of mistakes over the last couple of years, I have also saw them promptly corrected.

Libtard

Why hasn't anyone addressed the 400 billion CUT in Medicare?

Libtard

Interesting 4 minutes
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

dragoon70056

“Prosecute All Hypocrites!”

Since: Jul 09

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Virginia Beach, VA

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PlacitasRoy wrote:

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Not me. Just the experts who are the impartial fact checkers. There is absolutely NO provision in the bill to send anyone to jail. World Nut Daily is flat out lying when it uses the term felony.

Really? How about from a more non-partisan source:

PELOSI HEALTH CARE BILL HAS JAIL TIME AND FINE CAVEAT:

http://www.congress.org/congressorg/issues/al...

Since: Sep 08

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dragoon70056 wrote:

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Really? How about from a more non-partisan source:
PELOSI HEALTH CARE BILL HAS JAIL TIME AND FINE CAVEAT:
http://www.congress.org/congressorg/issues/al...

That is suppose to be non-partisan? Opening phrase: "Nancy Pelosi's socialized medicine bill.." Anything that describes the bill as socialized medicine is nothing but propaganda! Don't need to read another word to know it is a POS propaganda site regardless of their "about us" cr@p.

It is nothing but the same cr@p spewed by World Nut daily.

Amazed_n_LC

United States

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I HOPE the Senate passes it next! I will have a really good laugh at ALL the NAYSAYERS, when this turns out to be better than you all thought. There are going to be many stipulations as to whom the Gov't helps get medical care. There are more rules set in place to keep private insurances from gouging you. You all keep complaining about how much it's costing you per year already...BEFORE OBAMA took office..HMMM, let's see, MAYBE we should take a deep breathe and maybe look at it like it just MIGHT be BETTER than what it HAS BEEN? Why is it Teabaggers and all the other NAYSAYERS think they are always right? It's almost laughable to listen to all the hot air that comes out of them. SO NEGATIVE.If it's BROKE FIX IT!! It's BEEN broke for decades..hasn't it?

WHERES THE OUTRAGE

Amazed_n_LC wrote:

I HOPE the Senate passes it next! I will have a really good laugh at ALL the NAYSAYERS, when this turns out to be better than you all thought. There are going to be many stipulations as to whom the Gov't helps get medical care. There are more rules set in place to keep private insurances from gouging you. You all keep complaining about how much it's costing you per year already...BEFORE OBAMA took office..HMMM, let's see, MAYBE we should take a deep breathe and maybe look at it like it just MIGHT be BETTER than what it HAS BEEN? Why is it Teabaggers and all the other NAYSAYERS think they are always right? It's almost laughable to listen to all the hot air that comes out of them. SO NEGATIVE.If it's BROKE FIX IT!! It's BEEN broke for decades..hasn't it?

The government has a proven track record that they are incapable of managing entitlement programs. Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid are all broken. Why should we believe that they can RUN a new program?

Does health care need fixing? YES!!!

Policing corruption, fraud and abuse of the existing systems would be a GREAT start!

Tort reform!

Force insurance companies to accept pre-existing conditions!

Allow insurance companies to offer policies in EVERY state of the union expanding the opportunity to compete!

Socialism works GREAT until you run out of other people's money.

The government needs to focus on SUSTAINABLE JOBS! Our "Land of Opportunity" is turning into the "Land of Entitlement".

jimbob

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PlacitasRoy wrote:

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Only dittoheads, foxholes, and teabaggers believe that cr@p. Demonstrate one misrepresentation, distortion, or LIE. You might not agree with some of their truth-o-meter ratings, I certainly do. While I've seen a couple of mistakes over the last couple of years, I have also saw them promptly corrected.

"I have also saw them promptly corrected" Yee Haw!

PlacitassRoy, you may be the only liberal around with redneck grammatical and spelling skills.

By any chance, would you call those mistakes that you SAWED lies?

fedupwiththemess

Leesburg, VA

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Obama is getting it done! All you haters eat your hearts out. LOL!!

WHERES THE OUTRAGE