Notre Dame really owes Willingham an ...

Notre Dame really owes Willingham an apology

There are 810 comments on the The Indianapolis Star story from Sep 18, 2007, titled Notre Dame really owes Willingham an apology. In it, The Indianapolis Star reports that:

C'mon, Domers, let me hear it. Sorry, Tyrone. I'm sorry, can you repeat that? Sorry, coach Willingham.

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MMiller

San Antonio, TX

#23 Sep 19, 2007
Weiss is in his third season at the helm. This has nothing to do with Willingham. Is there no player development going on at ND? At most major programs, freshmen and sophomores are factors, whats ND's problem? Weiss is a problem and there are greater issues at ND. Why did Urban Meyer say NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
American

Jeffersonville, OH

#24 Sep 19, 2007
Notre Dame is universally overrated.

It's the third best school in Indiana, with perhaps the worst social life.

It's a fading football factory.

A player or student would do far better to look elsewhere.
Rebel

Duncan, OK

#25 Sep 19, 2007
Jim wrote:
Go Purdue
Purdue sucks as well; they haven't played anyone. They might go five hundred..
I hate ND

West Lafayette, IN

#26 Sep 19, 2007
This season for ND is a dream come true! I absolutely love that ND is terrible. I hope Ty is laughing all the way this season. HEHEHEHE!!!! I am praying that they do not win a game this year!:)
Mr Sensible

United States

#27 Sep 19, 2007
Adam Rouse wrote:
Seriously Bob, shut up. You're so predictable. Weis has pumped more talent into the team the last 2 years as well as for next year than Willingham ever did. Notre Dame will be just fine for next year.
Yeah, the talent is really showing now, go Coach "Savior" Weis.
Mr Sensible

United States

#28 Sep 19, 2007
60 something wrote:
Sorry, but I disagree. Ty was unable to recruit players and it is now showing. At any level it is NOT about coaching, but about the players. If my players are better than your players I win. Better coach? No, better players.
Take off the blinders and stop drinking the Kool Aid.
indysince50

Kansas City, MO

#29 Sep 19, 2007
"Ours is not to reason why. Ours is but to do and die." Alfred Lord Tennyson.

Seems like a good metaphor for ND football to me. I don't care why ND is one of the worst programs in the nation. The universal measurement of success in sports is called winning and losing. We're not talking Pop Warner here.

Further, the only reason people like Kravitz write speculative articles like this is to get people to respond. Surely you don't think he cares about ND football.

Bottom line, it really doesn't matter what happens at Notre Dame, except in the minds of the pinheads who long for times past and whose arrogance won't let them deal with the present. They are fodder for Kravitz and his ilk.
Kent Wallace

Marysville, OH

#31 Sep 19, 2007
Yep wrote:
"According to Rivals.com , Willingham's four recruiting classes ranked #24,#12,#32 and #40 in the nation for an average ranking of 27 (take off your shoes and socks so you can do the math Kravitz), Notre Dame could see this pattern of BAD recruiting classes and so let Willingham go because they knew 26 other teams were doing a better job of recruiting. Weis's recruiting classes ahave been ranked #8,#8 and this years class is the #1 ranked class."
Yes, and we all know that ratings services are infallible. Shoot, let's not even play the games. Instead, we can just compare rating services scores. Whoever has the highest rating wins!
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Well, you actually do have a new , easier way to determine the National Champion.
Last year, Rivals.com ranked the recruiting classes of Florida #1. USC #2, LSU #4 and Texas #5.........Two years ago, Rivals .com ranked USC #1, Florida #2, Texas #5 and LSU #7.....Have you ever heard of these teams smart guy and have you seen where these teams finished last year and where they are ranked this year??? So yes, Rivals .com can give you a pretty good indication how good teams will be by how strong their recruiting classes were!!! There is no excuse for Notre Dame to ever have a recruiting class below the top 10 and Willinghan had ALL his ND recruiting classes far below the top ten!
Please quit today Bob

Clayton, IN

#32 Sep 19, 2007
Cool 1 wrote:
That's what I like about Bob Kravitz, he pulls no punches, he tells it like it is and don't give a rats rump who cares! This time he hit the nail dead on the head!!
Kravitz doesn't know how to punch, he tells it like his delusional mind thinks it is, and as for rats and rear ends, only he knows about that. If he even knows how to swing a hammer (that's work you know) he would miss the biggest nail available!!

This is an idiot who still thinks hockey is a viable national sport, wants the Pacers to get tough unless Shawn Williams has a blunt joint in his car, and acts as though he could coach the Colts. The last person to know what is going on at ND is most certainly and for all time Bob F***in Kravitz.
jim in greenwood

Ft Mitchell, KY

#33 Sep 19, 2007
At least Ty was a gentleman. I am sick of Weis's bravado......
I wonder if the Irish are stealing signals, too?
Doubter

Florence, KY

#34 Sep 19, 2007
Yep wrote:
"According to Rivals.com , Willingham's four recruiting classes ranked #24,#12,#32 and #40 in the nation for an average ranking of 27 (take off your shoes and socks so you can do the math Kravitz), Notre Dame could see this pattern of BAD recruiting classes and so let Willingham go because they knew 26 other teams were doing a better job of recruiting. Weis's recruiting classes ahave been ranked #8,#8 and this years class is the #1 ranked class."
Yes, and we all know that ratings services are infallible. Shoot, let's not even play the games. Instead, we can just compare rating services scores. Whoever has the highest rating wins!
No they are not infallible, but maybe it's just a fluke that USC has been so dominant lately because of a top 3 recruiting class each of the last 5 years. Go to Rivals and look at NDs recruiting classes for 2004 and 2005 - these are the upperclassmen this year - and tell me what 4 4-star players (no 5 stars) in a two year period is doing for ND. No the ratings are not infallible, but they tell the story of why ND is struggling - very little experienced talent. Maybe Ty could have coached the talent he brought in as good as Weis did the past 2 years, but we will never know.

“Hittin the Note”

Since: Sep 07

Indy

#35 Sep 19, 2007
Kent Wallace wrote:
Once again you are wrong Kravitz. Notre Dame does not owe an apology to Willingham. College football depends on recruiting as much as anything. According to Rivals.com , Willingham's four recruiting classes ranked #24,#12,#32 and #40 in the nation for an average ranking of 27 (take off your shoes and socks so you can do the math Kravitz), Notre Dame could see this pattern of BAD recruiting classes and so let Willingham go because they knew 26 other teams were doing a better job of recruiting. Weis's recruiting classes ahave been ranked #8,#8 and this years class is the #1 ranked class. The only mistake Notre Dame made is giving Weiss such a long term contract before he could prove he could do something with top notch talent that he recruited. The end of next year will tell wether Weiss should catch the next bus out of South Bend or not.
Blah, Blah ,BLah......heard it all before, those recruiting ranks are a joke buddy. Michigan, Miami, FSU all had "good" classes too during that time and look at them now. It's what you do with this talent that makes you a good coach/program. How many times do I see kids come in with high marks and flame? Can you say Jeff George! The list of course goes on for ever. There is enough talent there at ND to do better than they have, don't give me this stuff about ty's classes sucked crap. So, with the 27th best classes avg. in the nation Jabba the Weis can only do this good? How many schools are there in Div. 1 football? 120? So you suck that bad with aprox 100 schools worse than you? I wonder what GT classes rated? Or PSU? How about Purdue? MSU? You look this bad with that goddd of recruits? Remember Jabba's classes are Jr's now so you're running out of that excuse. But then maybe this ratings are....wrong/ hype? Or maybe that fat guy you have as a coach is not really a good coach and maybe just maybe people don't want to go to that fish bowl up there anymore and deal with all you arrogant jerk domers. The tuff academic stuff is a joke also. Get over yourselves.
dave

Carmel, IN

#36 Sep 19, 2007
Bob you are an idiot. Everyone seems to forget the fact that they are playing a FRESHMAN at QB. Give him time.

“Hittin the Note”

Since: Sep 07

Indy

#37 Sep 19, 2007
Kent Wallace wrote:
<quoted text>
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There is no excuse for Notre Dame to ever have a recruiting class below the top 10 and Willinghan had ALL his ND recruiting classes far below the top
ten!
Yes there is..... Here it is folks, case in point, ND arrogance on display! Have you people no shame?
Typical ND Fans

Bloomfield Hills, MI

#38 Sep 19, 2007
They got the next Ron Powlus at QB, a defense that is heavily upper classman oriented, and an offensive line with Juniors and Seniors starting. What is the answer to why they are so bad? It was Ty Willinghams fault for the debacle. Well correct if I am wrong but having an average of 27 in recruiting classes is a lot better than the majority of other teams in this land. If you take the opportunity to look at the list of schools behind your heralded Irish you will notice there are a bunch of teams that aren't having many problems right now. It is amazing how those other schools aren't making any excuses as to why they are having success. If you need proof see Virginia Tech, West Virginia, and Louisville. Oh but that's right they don't play anybody!!!!! It just never ceases to amaze me the arrogance of Notre Dame fans. They think they have a championship caliber team year in and year out. Until they wake up and admit players who are marginal academic students you will continue to get beat by Michigan, USC, Boston College, Purdue(most years), and any SEC team. Until then keep drinking the cool aid and dreaming of years gone by. And I am loving every minute of their demise this year. Keep oh Jimmy boy in the game and let him continue to get crushed. IF you Irish fans don't think a QB getting sacked 7 to 8 times a game doesn't have an effect on his psychy think again. Hit him enough and he starts hearing footsteps.
And don't take the ol' recruiting wire as verbatim. Michigan always has a top ten recruiting class and they got hammered by a Division 1-AA team. Look at it this way...you can at least keep the commander in cheifs trophy!!!!
Pat

Woburn, MA

#39 Sep 19, 2007
All Willingham had to do was fire his offensive coordinator Bill Diedrick and he would have been back for a 4th and 5th year. But he refused to fire him when ordered to by his bosses, so he got fired.

And of course, I'm sure you're aware of the fact that Washington only hired Willingham on the condition that he wasn't allowed to bring Diedrick with him.

It's sad that lazy journalists such as yourself can't do a lick of research.
Get a clue

Fort Thomas, KY

#40 Sep 19, 2007
Porky Pig aka Charlie Weis, is a waste. I don't care who's players they are, he can't seem to coach them. MINUS 14 yards rushing for the first 3 games of the year, COMBINED!!! Pathetic!!

“Hittin the Note”

Since: Sep 07

Indy

#41 Sep 19, 2007
Kent Wallace wrote:
<quoted text>
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Well, you actually do have a new , easier way to determine the National Champion.
Last year, Rivals.com ranked the recruiting classes of Florida #1. USC #2, LSU #4 and Texas #5.........Two years ago, Rivals .com ranked USC #1, Florida #2, Texas #5 and LSU #7.....Have you ever heard of these teams smart guy and have you seen where these teams finished last year and where they are ranked this year??? So yes, Rivals .com can give you a pretty good indication how good teams will be by how strong their recruiting classes were!!! There is no excuse for Notre Dame to ever have a recruiting class below the top 10 and Willinghan had ALL his ND recruiting classes far below the top ten!
Another point, all those schools have one common thing.....a good coach to put it all together. Case in point, Florida with all that talent Zook could do nothing. With , oh heck, what's his name. Has won and won big. My point still stands with the 20 something classes, you should look better than you do!

“Hittin the Note”

Since: Sep 07

Indy

#42 Sep 19, 2007
Typical ND Fans wrote:
They got the next Ron Powlus at QB, a defense that is heavily upper classman oriented, and an offensive line with Juniors and Seniors starting. What is the answer to why they are so bad? It was Ty Willinghams fault for the debacle. Well correct if I am wrong but having an average of 27 in recruiting classes is a lot better than the majority of other teams in this land. If you take the opportunity to look at the list of schools behind your heralded Irish you will notice there are a bunch of teams that aren't having many problems right now. It is amazing how those other schools aren't making any excuses as to why they are having success. If you need proof see Virginia Tech, West Virginia, and Louisville. Oh but that's right they don't play anybody!!!!! It just never ceases to amaze me the arrogance of Notre Dame fans. They think they have a championship caliber team year in and year out. Until they wake up and admit players who are marginal academic students you will continue to get beat by Michigan, USC, Boston College, Purdue(most years), and any SEC team. Until then keep drinking the cool aid and dreaming of years gone by. And I am loving every minute of their demise this year. Keep oh Jimmy boy in the game and let him continue to get crushed. IF you Irish fans don't think a QB getting sacked 7 to 8 times a game doesn't have an effect on his psychy think again. Hit him enough and he starts hearing footsteps.
And don't take the ol' recruiting wire as verbatim. Michigan always has a top ten recruiting class and they got hammered by a Division 1-AA team. Look at it this way...you can at least keep the commander in cheifs trophy!!!!
Amen..truth hurts.
HEY WAIT

Allen, TX

#43 Sep 19, 2007
You guys are just stupid, if the rivals.com rankings are so correct then wouldnt that mean that since they average 27 during willingham's career that they should at least be in the "others recieving votes" category in the AP? Oh wait, they haven't scored a touchdown in 3 GAMES, coaching has nothing to do with that. And if Purdue looked at those rankings we should be bottom dwellers in the Big 10 annually, but I think that we've been to a bowl in like 9 of the last 10 years. Notre Dame has no patience it takes time to build a program, but it also takes time to destroy one too!!
Boiler UP BABY! Sept 29th = Game over for ND

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