Big Ten cut down to size by upsets

Big Ten cut down to size by upsets

There are 64 comments on the The Indianapolis Star story from Sep 19, 2007, titled Big Ten cut down to size by upsets. In it, The Indianapolis Star reports that:

The Big Ten begins its 112th season of football this weekend after three weeks of nonconference play that have revealed the following: 26-7 Big Ten's nonconference record.

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Bama

Alma, WI

#1 Sep 19, 2007
This was the most realistic article on the Big 10 that I have ever read. I still think that Michigan and Ohio State are the two best teams in the Big 10. Illinois has a very good coach in Ron Zook, look at what Myer is doing with his recruits at Florida, and he will have the Illini vying for championships shortly. The rest of the Big 10 would rank in the middle of the pack of the SEC.
Boiler in Florida

Spring Hill, FL

#3 Sep 19, 2007
A Purdue team that has won 52-6 twice and 45-10 deserves to be ranked, at the very least, above Michigan based on performance. None of these Purdue games were ever in question. The most exciting game in the conference this year could be the "Old Oaken Bucket" game, because obviously Indiana is explosive too.
The Man

Greenville, SC

#4 Sep 19, 2007
Amen to that ^
Indy Marine

Jacksonville, NC

#5 Sep 19, 2007
Ummmm Y IS PURDUE 5 AGAIN??? the 8th highest scoring team in the NCAA is 5th in their conference? Come on now... can the boiler nation get a little credit for blowing their first 3 opponents out?
Matt

Palo Alto, CA

#6 Sep 19, 2007
Would you like a little cheese with your whine? Buddy, this article is not about basketball so leave the Painter crap out of it. If you want to see Purdue ranked highly then read an editorial from the Lafayette paper. And bide your tongue while you're at it, OSU and Michigan are back on your schedule. Regarding the points spreads, Purdue is playing MINNESOTA!!!! They SHOULD be favored by 14. This is the same Minnesota that lost to Florida Atlantic, I remind you.

Lighten up, Francis.
Homer wrote:
Homer Hutchens is at it again.
ESPN Sports Center called Purdue and Penn State the two best teams in the Big Ten. Yet Homer Hutchens lists them fifth.
The USA Computer rankings have Purdue 3rd in the Big Ten. Yet Homer Hutchens has them fifth.
Homie, did you notice that Iu has a home game against Illinois this week? Yet the odds-makers still have IU as 3 point underdogs?
Homie, did you notice that Purdue has a road game? And yet is favored by 14+ points?
Keep in mind that this is the homer who voted for Virginia in the Top 25 last year after Purdue beat them by 18. And yet he didn't vote for Purdue. Huh.
And this is the homer who kept bleating over and over on the radio three years ago that IU would make the NCAA. But they didn't. Huh.
And Homer is the guy who last year said that he's "just not sold on Matt Painter".
You remember Painter? The guy who outrecruited IU last year (and that was even without JC player Calasan added into the mix - the player that Kentucky wanted)?
Painter - the guy who lost 4 starters to injury his first year, and yet still improved on Keady's (5-time National Coach of the Year) record from the year before.
Painter - The guy whose team went the last eight weeks last year and only lost to No. 1 OSU, NCAA Champ FLorida, and one game to Iowa (who they then beat by 18 on neutral courth in the league tourney).
Yeah, Homer's not sold on Painter.
Because he's a HOMER who wears crimson-colored glasses.
Tom Tortoise

Duncan, OK

#7 Sep 19, 2007
Indy Marine wrote:
Ummmm Y IS PURDUE 5 AGAIN??? the 8th highest scoring team in the NCAA is 5th in their conference? Come on now... can the boiler nation get a little credit for blowing their first 3 opponents out?
I think you left a word out...unless they really were blowing their opponents.???
Point

East Lansing, MI

#8 Sep 19, 2007
As far as I'm concerned, none of the 3-0 Big Ten teams has an impressive win yet. Beating a team you're supposed to beat is just that - it doesn't matter if you beat the 14-0, 21-3, or 55-24. It's a game you're supposed to win, you win it, and people say, "Oh, they won it."

If you look ahead though, I think you still have to count on the same four schools (Michigan, OSU, PSU, and Wisconsin) to be the top four teams in the league, in some order, because they're the teams with the most upside.

Also, let's look at how perceptions are built: last year Indiana and Purdue both started out really strongly. IU finished poorly, Purdue dropped off a little but still made a bowl game. But compare schedules: Purdue made a bowl game by playing lower quality opponents, while OSU and Michigan were ranked highly because they played very tough schedules and still won the tough games. So now this year, when you look at Michigan, you see a lot of the same players, all of the same coaches, and you think, "They have the greatest chance to win a lot of games still." You look at Purdue, and without having a different experience to recall, it's hard to say they'll be any different this year than last year, especially once the Big Ten season starts and they have to face legitimate defenses.

So I think these rankings make sense. You can't win three games you're supposed to win, no matter the margin, and say you deserve to be ranked. It takes several consecutive seasons of winning to build the perception that you're a winning program. Currently, neither IU nor Purdue has that.
PU Alum in Wisconsin

Milwaukee, WI

#9 Sep 19, 2007
Jeez, for the first time in my memory the Old Oaken Bucket game might actually have some relevance.
kjss

Beverly Shores, IN

#10 Sep 19, 2007
Matty Boy, You're proving our point when you assume to be the moderator and tell us to go to our own homey GANNETT newspaper (Which, by the way, also doesn't serve us very well). HOMER made a very good point with what is known in intelligent circles as an ANALOGY. His particular analogy even dealt directly with his point about Hutchins' homey mentality that constantly dismisses Purdue. It was very relevant, my delusional friend.
Sir Antony

Bloomington, IN

#11 Sep 19, 2007
Nah, the fundamental problem isn't with the teams losing, it's with journalist prognosticators who really don't know what they're talking about in the first place. Pre-season polls are worthless except to be used by journalists as tools to write obtuse articles like the one I just read. I should sue someone for obstruction of reason.
Gordon Kingma

Bringhurst, IN

#12 Sep 19, 2007
This is typical Indianapolis Star verbosity. Not one positive word about Purdue. Where is your Purdue pride?
Brady

Argos, IN

#13 Sep 19, 2007
Big Ten has been soft for the last 10 years, thats why you started seeing Purdue have some success, nationally Purdue can't keep up. IU has been so bad that they could never catch up and now they look like they might be on the rise. But fear not IU won't going anywhere with that $#!@ for brains lynch the call coach.
Keller 4 Heisman

Lafayette, IN

#14 Sep 19, 2007
Tom Tortoise wrote:
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I think you left a word out...unless they really were blowing their opponents.???
If you read the whole sentence, it says "out" at the end.
Brady

Argos, IN

#15 Sep 19, 2007
Purdue needs to beef up their out of conference schedule before they will ever be relevant.
Purdue student

West Lafayette, IN

#16 Sep 19, 2007
Bama wrote:
Illinois has a very good coach in Ron Zook, look at what Myer is doing with his recruits at Florida, and he will have the Illini vying for championships shortly.
Are you an absolute idiot? That is the first time I've ever heard Ron Zook referred to as a "good coach." He is a great recruiter, but as far as the coaching part, he is one of the worst in the Big Ten. That's why he got FIRED from Florida. Illinois will never make it out of the middle pack of the Big 10.
Purdue student

West Lafayette, IN

#17 Sep 19, 2007
Brady wrote:
Purdue needs to beef up their out of conference schedule before they will ever be relevant.
We've added Oregon to our schedule for the next few years. Add that with ND, that's two big named preseason opponents, and that makes 2 more than IU, and 1 more than most other Big 10 teams. BTW, we are relevant even with a cupcake schedule. Just consult the top 25 poles to see that we are getting some votes to confirm that notion.
I love DISH

Pittsboro, IN

#18 Sep 19, 2007
Brady wrote:
Purdue needs to beef up their out of conference schedule before they will ever be relevant.
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Compared to who??? Are you clueless? They went on the road to a MAC school that was 38-4 in its last 42 games (Toledo), they have traditional power ND on the schedule. They played a I-AA school because no other I-A wanted to come here and they hosted reigning MAC champion C Mich.

Let's compare this to Mich's schedule, since they are the all0time Big 10 kings. Let's see they schedule ZERO road games (instead choosing to pay App St $400k to come to the Big House HAHAHAHAH), they hosted Oregon (gee Purdue has them scheduled the next 2 years). They hosted ND, hmm so does Purdue. They host E. Mich in a few weeks. Man, did they go out of their way to sched a tough non-conf.

I don't normally complain about this, but the bias of the Indianpaolis Star toward IU and against Purdue is really starting to annoy me. Is this Hutchens guy a joke?#5 right now in the Big 10? Has he seen Purdue take a snap this year yet.
Darren

Dayton, OH

#19 Sep 19, 2007
Has this person, Terry Hutchens, paid any attention to the early part of the college football season? First of all, Terry's "Then" choices on the way the Big 10 will pan out, are comical. Listing Ohio State to finish 4th in the conference prior to the season is hilarious. Furthermore, Terry's "Now" picks show an underachieving, only predict guarantee wins over the worst team in college football, Michigan cry baby squad at 4th. To think Michigan finishes the season 4th is a flat-out joke. Michigan will have losses @ home to Penn State, Purdue, and Ohio State. Not to mention, road losses for Michigan will come at the hands of Michigan State and Wisconsin. The Wolverines will finish with a 3-5 conference record, and 5-7 overall. Michigan will miss a bowl game for the first time in 30 or so years.

Wisconsin is shown to finish first, even after watching the first 3 weeks of the season. Hey Terry, open your eyes pal. Wisconsin struggled against The Citadel @ home, and UNLV on the road. Are you serious with these picks? Whoever wins the ballgame in Happy Valley October 27th will be crowned the Big 10 Champions for the 2007 college football season. My guess is that the Buckeyes will be defending Big 10 Champions for the 2008 season. Where does Sports Illustrated find these fools?
Raytheon

Palo Alto, CA

#20 Sep 19, 2007
Matt wrote:
Would you like a little cheese with your whine? Buddy, this article is not about basketball so leave the Painter crap out of it. If you want to see Purdue ranked highly then read an editorial from the Lafayette paper. And bide your tongue while you're at it, OSU and Michigan are back on your schedule. Regarding the points spreads, Purdue is playing MINNESOTA!!!! They SHOULD be favored by 14. This is the same Minnesota that lost to Florida Atlantic, I remind you.
Lighten up, Francis.
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"Bide" your tongue?

Excuse me?
Raytheon

Palo Alto, CA

#21 Sep 19, 2007
Matt wrote:
Purdue is playing MINNESOTA!!!! They SHOULD be favored by 14. This is the same Minnesota that lost to Florida Atlantic, I remind you.
Lighten up, Francis.
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Speaking of whining, IU is playing Illinois.

You remember Illinois, the team that was 2-10 last year?

And the game is at IU?

Yet Illinois is favored?

How is it that Illinois is so much better this year, and IU is so much worse, that Illinois is favored?

Oh, must be that last-in-the-Big-Ten recruiting class that IU has.

And the coach that was fired from Div 1-AA, and couldn't find another job in Div. 1-A or Div. 1-AA.

I love how excited (!) the IU nation gets after playing the 175th ranked schedule in the nation (and there are only 119 Div 1-A teams).

Most Div 1-AA schools play tougher schedules than IU.

Beating Div. 1-AA Indiana State (1-11 last year) makes them just giddy!

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