UCF President John Hitt confident with leadership of the athlet...

[UCF Grad]

Keeping Perspective wrote:

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Unlike Mark, you obviously were never informed of how to gain manners.
The issue is not funding source. I understand that the athletic department money is funded differently and does not come through the state. The question I was trying to raise is whether it is appropriate for the athletic department, regardless of where the additional revenue is coming from, to increase their budget in a year where the remainder of the college has already cut budgets and is now being asked to cut even more funds.
You want to keep all the money completely separate and seem to indicate that because the athletic department is doing well, they are entitled to spend their money as they see fit.
I simply raise the point that given the struggles faced by the rest of the college, it might be more appropriate for the athletic department to keep their budgets flat and pledge that money to ensure that other college services are not compromised.

UCFAA is a nonprofit corporation totally seperate from UCF, which by the way is a state run university. Why should they pour their extra funds into running UCF's academic classes?

[Knight]

In regard to the unfair media coverage; what do you expect from a future "out of business" Newspaper like this one? They will do anything to gain readers including:

1) Capitalizing on people's misfortune- even if it is the death of a young man

2) Twisting the facts

3) Manipulating their audience

4) Creating the news instead of reporting it.

Welcome to the world of propaganda

[InformedUCFan]

You suggestion of applying the principles of Socialism to the funding aspects between the athletic department and the University are frightening. Why should the athletic department be penaliazed when they are one, if not the biggest, arms of publicity for the University. Never mind the fact that most of those monies raised are directed towards funding scholarships and creating new scholarships so that more student athletes can attend UCF. Keep that Socialist ideal to your own life and away from UCF.

Keeping Perspective wrote:

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Mark - Thanks for your comments. I am well aware that Athletic Department funding comes from different sources than general funding. That is why they are not being asked to reduce their budgets 1% per quarter like the rest of the University. However, my point is that at a time when the remainder of the University is struggling to maintain programs, it does not seem appropriate for the athletic department and athletic association to raise budgets simply because their funding resources have increased over the last year.
Regardless of whether it would be possible as part of a simple transfer of funds or a donation from the athletic association to the general budget, I'm sure that there are ways that money raised through athletics can be transferred to help support the rest of the college. Such a transfer would produce tremendous "good will" and help the college at a very stressful time.
In this case, I don't buy the argumanent that is used when saying that tourist tax money cannot be used for roads or schools. The athletic department is part of the school and when the athletic department has a surplus and the school a deficit, the money should be used wherever needed. You can bet that if the situation were reversed, the college would be expected to raise fees to help pay for the athletic department.

[InformedUCFan]

So what your are saying, misery loves company. Give me a break. Are you a member of the faculty? You certainly act as if you are. That Socialist mentality of "equality" does not apply. Keep in mind that those who donate to a separate funding group would go balistic to find that those dollars were just given away to another entity in order to satisfy people's political correctness/socialist agenda. In that case, the funding to the UCFAA would dry up. I guess if that happened, you would be satisfied.

Keeping Perspective wrote:

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Unlike Mark, you obviously were never informed of how to gain manners.
The issue is not funding source. I understand that the athletic department money is funded differently and does not come through the state. The question I was trying to raise is whether it is appropriate for the athletic department, regardless of where the additional revenue is coming from, to increase their budget in a year where the remainder of the college has already cut budgets and is now being asked to cut even more funds.
You want to keep all the money completely separate and seem to indicate that because the athletic department is doing well, they are entitled to spend their money as they see fit.
I simply raise the point that given the struggles faced by the rest of the college, it might be more appropriate for the athletic department to keep their budgets flat and pledge that money to ensure that other college services are not compromised.

[UCF Alum]

I'm glad Hitt has moved on from the horrible way the firing of Bergman was handled. I haven't moved on, and neither have many of my former teammates and fans of the baseball program. Just turning a blind eye to injustice, and "moving on" doesn't make it right. Hitt has run his course, yea he did some great things for UCF, but it's time we "move on". Until he and Tribble are gone, there will be a lot of people who are disnfranchised from UCF and its athletic program. You see we have memories. So, you can move on all you want, but the damage is done.

[UCF99Alum]

Where is the conversation about the 9+ million in "loans" to the Athletic Association with no oversight and no repayment plans. Last time I checked those were tuition dollars not athletic fees.

[Reality Check]

InformedUCFan wrote:

Perhaps before running off at the mouth about budget cuts, you should become a more informed person about where the monies come from for each respective budget (academic and athletic). I would hazard to guess that you were unaware that the main funding body for the athletic program is a private organization, not dependant on the State of Florida for funding as the academic budget it. Once you have conducted the appropriate research, then you will understand how clueless your comments are. Better luck next time.
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I hate to kick you in your arrogant axx, but the funding for the athletic department is is not a "private organization", idiot. It is a quasi-seperate corporation allowed by the State of Florida for the benefit of the athletic departments, primarily to hide their funds. Get this through your thick skull, the athletic department is funded by an aggregious student athletic fee of $11.09 per credit hour which is double what any other U in Florida charges. Get it, dumb guy? You're the one that should wake up and do your research.

[BuckStripes]

...Pardon this interruption to the distracting diversions ($$$$$)...
...But, John Hitt says that the university is still waiting for the Medical Examiner's report, about the death of this athlete--in March...
...There are two basic parts to ME reports: Autopsy results, and Toxicology tests...(Addendums notwithstanding.)...
...The autopsy report was issued within days of the death. It has been available since then...
...Dunno if there is some hold-up on the toxicology tests--but a 3-month lag is well out of the ordinary...
...So, something is not quite right about this aspect of the alleged investigation into this unusual death. The reporter should have questioned President Hitt further about the overdue ME's report--if it is overdue, and not being deliberately withheld from public scutiny...

...Thank you for patience--Now back to your regular programming...:-)

[Randy]

BuckStripes wrote:

...Pardon this interruption to the distracting diversions ($$$$$)...
...But, John Hitt says that the university is still waiting for the Medical Examiner's report, about the death of this athlete--in March...
...There are two basic parts to ME reports: Autopsy results, and Toxicology tests...(Addendums notwithstanding.)...
...The autopsy report was issued within days of the death. It has been available since then...
...Dunno if there is some hold-up on the toxicology tests--but a 3-month lag is well out of the ordinary...
...So, something is not quite right about this aspect of the alleged investigation into this unusual death. The reporter should have questioned President Hitt further about the overdue ME's report--if it is overdue, and not being deliberately withheld from public scutiny...
...Thank you for patience--Now back to your regular programming...:-)

Great points

[Jcal]

BuckStripes wrote:

...Pardon this interruption to the distracting diversions ($$$$$)...
...But, John Hitt says that the university is still waiting for the Medical Examiner's report, about the death of this athlete--in March...
...There are two basic parts to ME reports: Autopsy results, and Toxicology tests...(Addendums notwithstanding.)...
...The autopsy report was issued within days of the death. It has been available since then...
...Dunno if there is some hold-up on the toxicology tests--but a 3-month lag is well out of the ordinary...
...So, something is not quite right about this aspect of the alleged investigation into this unusual death. The reporter should have questioned President Hitt further about the overdue ME's report--if it is overdue, and not being deliberately withheld from public scutiny...
...Thank you for patience--Now back to your regular programming...:-)

The mistakes that hitt and dribble refer to, had to do with truthful comments slipping out before the ucf pr machine had a chance to ramp up sufficiently to handle the attention.
They have been repeatedly unresponsive and alternately less than truthful when confronted with opportunities to admit to ucf's meat market mentality and policies and procedures, as it relates to their supposedly valued student/athlete populations. After they have been caught abusing these players, with inadequate care to injuries, misdiagnosis, and denial of medical services (until after the season), the ucf machine is quite adept at ridding itself of the student/athlete
and the related problems.
It's too bad the Sentinel doesn't know more of the details, which would allow for a more proper hatchet job which should start at the top with hitt and dribble.

[UCF Player]

Jcal wrote:

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The mistakes that hitt and dribble refer to, had to do with truthful comments slipping out before the ucf pr machine had a chance to ramp up sufficiently to handle the attention.
They have been repeatedly unresponsive and alternately less than truthful when confronted with opportunities to admit to ucf's meat market mentality and policies and procedures, as it relates to their supposedly valued student/athlete populations. After they have been caught abusing these players, with inadequate care to injuries, misdiagnosis, and denial of medical services (until after the season), the ucf machine is quite adept at ridding itself of the student/athlete
and the related problems.
It's too bad the Sentinel doesn't know more of the details, which would allow for a more proper hatchet job which should start at the top with hitt and dribble.

Please provide us with Facts to back up everything that you said. Thx!

[BuckStripes]

UCF Player wrote:

<quoted text> Please provide us with Facts to back up everything that you said. Thx!

...Even better: What sport do you play? And what is your insider take on any/or all of this subject?
...Twould be great if a few (or a lot) of UCF student-jocks dropped in here, and gave us their perspective on whatever is going on in their sports. Nobody knows more than the people directly involved...

[Jcal]

BuckStripes wrote:

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...Even better: What sport do you play? And what is your insider take on any/or all of this subject?
...Twould be great if a few (or a lot) of UCF student-jocks dropped in here, and gave us their perspective on whatever is going on in their sports. Nobody knows more than the people directly involved...

There are substantial legal issues involved...my information is of a first hand, and second hand, and third hand nature...so, information
that could be provided by first hand parties, often has ramifications beyond what the reader can possibly know about. 2nd and 3rd hand info is often thought of as unreliable, altho' I believe most of what I've been told by these individuals to be true and accurate. Time will tell, as various individuals become more forthcoming, and events conspire to make the problems more obvious and difficult to ignore. Just look at the
ucf baseball program recent events.

[BuckStripes]

...UCF student athletes enjoy the right to freedom of speech, just like we all do...
...This a BlabRoom, in which posters can come aboard anonymously and state whatever strikes their fancy. In the case of first-hand info from UCF jocks: They surely have insights into the subject of this discussion. Doesn't matter whether their facts/opinions are negative or positive...
...If they wish to speak up, here is the forum--Legalistics do not apply...

[hot stuff]

UCF Grad wrote:

<quoted text> UCFAA is a nonprofit corporation totally seperate from UCF, which by the way is a state run university. Why should they pour their extra funds into running UCF's academic classes?

Yes,*heaven forbid* that UCF's athletic association should give a c**p about UCF's academics. After all, it's not like any of us care about the academics.[/sarcasm]

Why is it ok for UCF to give the UCFAA a no-interest, no-repayment plan loan, contrary to state law, but it horrifies you sports fans to think about money going the other way? I say, the very LEAST the UCFAA could do is pay back the money it borrowed.

But hey, then the football team might need to wear the same uniforms this year as last year. Can't have that.

[eye roll]

InformedUCFan wrote:

You suggestion of applying the principles of Socialism to the funding aspects between the athletic department and the University are frightening. Why should the athletic department be penaliazed when they are one, if not the biggest, arms of publicity for the University. Never mind the fact that most of those monies raised are directed towards funding scholarships and creating new scholarships so that more student athletes can attend UCF. Keep that Socialist ideal to your own life and away from UCF.
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I sure hope that you are not a UCF graduate. If so, you were cheated out of a decent education. You can start by looking up "socialism." Then, you can take a couple of business classes and learn why businesses consider it worthwhile to build goodwill. I'd suggest a class in good manners, also, but those are something you should have learned in elementary school, so UCF wouldn't help you there.

Actually, maybe you *are* a UCF graduate who majored in "sports fan." That would explain your attitude.