S. Calif. Wildfire Burns Church, Castle

S. Calif. Wildfire Burns Church, Castle

There are 24 comments on the Chicago Tribune story from Oct 21, 2007, titled S. Calif. Wildfire Burns Church, Castle. In it, Chicago Tribune reports that:

A wildfire driven by powerful Santa Ana wind threatened a university and forced the evacuation of hundreds of homes in the Malibu Hills on Sunday, authorities said.

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Kate

Naperville, IL

#25 Oct 25, 2007
ultimate bigot wrote:
Once again proof that most of you cannot read, think or have any logic. Most of you immediately go into emotional reasons rather than logic. If there were not residences right at the edge or in the woods, when the woods burn which they will do there would be far much less damage to the homes or the woods since houses catch fire easier than a healthy forest.
Beg to differ with you bub, but a spot fire developed 15 houses down the street from my previous home, smack in the middle of an housing area surrounded by more housing, with more and more and MORE housing surrounding that... and no where near (> 4 miles) from the Buckweed or Ranch fires. It happened on a tiny hill between a shopping center and my previous housing tract in North Valencia (Santa Clarita Valley). It was landscaped with fire-resistant vegetation, a sprinkler system and yet it still caught fire... the danger is in the EMBERS that travel for MILES on the winds... and if they fell into the San Fernando Valley area... it would be a catastrophe. This housing area is not built near woods or chaparral. It is just another typical Calif. housing area, in a large city.

As to your comments about fires and healthy forests, your lack of education and ability to reason is showing. Even the healthy forests of Montana & Wyoming, particularly Yellowstone, burned a few years back...
ultimate bigot wrote:
If the people of California were really concerned about their carbon footprint half of them would move and the other half would stop reproducing. The real cause of global warming is 6 billion constantly on 98.6 degree space heaters.
Wow. How profound. Now THERE is a SOLUTION! ROTFLMAO!
Funny Girl

East Lansing, MI

#26 Oct 25, 2007
ultimate bigot wrote:
Once again proof that most of you cannot read, think or have any logic. Most of you immediately go into emotional reasons rather than logic. If there were not residences right at the edge or in the woods, when the woods burn which they will do there would be far much less damage to the homes or the woods since houses catch fire easier than a healthy forest. If the people of california were really concerned about their carbon footprint half of them would move and the other half would stop reproducing. The real cause of global warming is 6 billion constantly on 98.6 degree space heaters.
I apologize... here I am trying to argue with someone who has defined themselves as "ultimate bigot". This idiot thinks building a little farther away from forests is going to keep the embers flying in 70mph winds off their homes. And what about burns in Washington, or Oregon, or Northern California which is COVERED WITH TREES YOU DING DONG. It happens, all along the West coast.

You have no idea what you are talking about. And you didn't respond to my question of the suburban sprawl on Illinois plains. Are you going to say the same thing of the suburbs of Chicago when an F5 rolls through? Did the people of Plainfield "deserve" it!?

“I'm Proud to be RIGHT”

Since: Oct 07

Born in Higley, Arizona

#27 Oct 25, 2007
Q: Why do we have masive super fires?

A: You can blame it on the environmentalists!

You say Huh!?

The purpose of a controlled burn is to enhance the wildlife habitat, control exotic invasive plants and to reduce the fuel loading on the forest floor that could lead to a wildfire.

You say So!!!

Sierra Club is short sighted when they fight controlled burns. They say that roads are closed for a couple of hours, they say that some people have respitory issues, and they say that the forests are being converted.

That is true!!!

, BUT

If the foresters don't do that then we will be left with charred acres of timber. These super fires close roads for days, belch unknown chemicals into the air and convert forests and communities to black landscapes.

OK?

Thanks

Marc
Funny Girl

East Lansing, MI

#28 Oct 25, 2007
Marc Johnson wrote:
Q: Why do we have masive super fires?
A: You can blame it on the environmentalists!
You say Huh!?
The purpose of a controlled burn is to enhance the wildlife habitat, control exotic invasive plants and to reduce the fuel loading on the forest floor that could lead to a wildfire.
You say So!!!
Sierra Club is short sighted when they fight controlled burns. They say that roads are closed for a couple of hours, they say that some people have respitory issues, and they say that the forests are being converted.
That is true!!!
, BUT
If the foresters don't do that then we will be left with charred acres of timber. These super fires close roads for days, belch unknown chemicals into the air and convert forests and communities to black landscapes.
OK?
Thanks
Marc
Thanks Chief!

Hey Chief, because you know so much why don't you get out there and tell them out it's done?

Sierra Club isn't against small, natural burns, they are against logging companies using "clearing brush" as an excuse to go in and harvest our national forests.

Representative Helen Chenoweth-Hage (R-Idaho) is leading the drive for "thinning" and "partial harvests," along with brush clearing, to replace controlled burns. In hearings on Capitol Hill in June, she charged that "the politics of a preservationist elite" caused the Clinton administration to prefer prescribed burns, thereby setting the stage for the New Mexico fire. The timber industry responded on cue, linking fire risk to President Clinton's proposed national-forest roadbuilding ban. "Many of these roadless areas are in overcrowded forests at high risk for insects, disease, and fire," wrote Theodore Rossi, president of Rossi American Hardwoods, in a letter to the Hartford Courant. "To eliminate the option of accessing these areas forever ... is shortsighted. The fire at Los Alamos is a sign of things to come."

"But Sierra Club Southwest Regional Director Rob Smith says that "land-management policies based on commercial logging, aggressive fire suppression, and grazing are what created the problem." Many people now understand that years of Smokey Bear-style fire control prevented small fires from naturally and safely clearing the forest floor of debris-a process that prescribed burns attempt to replicate. But fewer realize that grazing removes grasses that encourage regular, moderate fires, or that fires tend to burn more intensely in areas that have been logged. They are drier and less shaded than natural forests, and the "slash piles" left behind by logging crews make perfect tinder.

Noting that less than one percent of prescribed burns get out of control, the U.S. Forest Service recently issued a draft study calling for the biggest increase ever in spending on the controlled-burn program. But the debate will only get hotter as commercial timber interests swap their old salvage-logging caps for new fire-management ones. It's a fight familiar to the Sierra Club and other environmental organizations, who will this time have to convince lawmakers that citizens want to protect their homes and their forests."

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