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There are 39 comments on the Columbus Dispatch story from Feb 25, 2010, titled OSU recovers in nick of time | BuckeyeXtra. In it, Columbus Dispatch reports that:

Just when coach Thad Matta was hoping his Ohio State men's basketball team - and especially he himself - had shaken the worst of the colds and flu and coughs that have been nagging them the past few weeks, here came another nemesis.

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Bill

Columbus, OH

#21 Feb 25, 2010
ima idiott wrote:
<quoted text>Is Simmons and Hill white or black. Now I have no idea but if they are white then that is why they are not playing. If they are black that just means they are horrible. God Bless!
You most definitely are an idiot
Top 10 in 3 sports

Caledonia, OH

#22 Feb 25, 2010
It dawned on me this morning, how Ohio State is quite possibly THE premier athletic program in the country right now, overall.

I say this because, in my opinion, the top 3 college sports in terms of media exposure, fan attendance, and overall interest would be Mens Football, Mens Basketball, and Womens Basketball.

Ohio State is top 10 in all 3 (finished what, 5th in football? And are top 10 currently in the mens and women's basketball polls). We are very fortunate to have such consistently successful programs and coaching staffs. Even if neither BB team wins the title this year, we can be proud that Ohio State has the top athletic program in the nation. I can't think of any other university with top 10's in all 3 sports, all at the same time. Go Bucks!
dansobel

Ann Arbor, MI

#23 Feb 25, 2010
3 Cheers for Tressel wrote:
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Totally agree Bsharp, these negative people would of laughed at any real Ohio st Fans like us If we told them we would be 22-7 and a 1/2 game out of first. My God what do you people want to make you happy. 100% fg shooting, no fouls, other team does not score. It's amazing some of the negativity that goes around on these post. I repeat we are 1/2 game out of first and a lock for the NCAA tourney, get on board or go away !! Go Bucks !!
here's someone that get's it.Granted PSU sucks,but as the saying goes,"even fat girls have pride".you can't win if you don't show up.our guys all showed up.talent and heart these guys have it in spades,4 guys in double figures,wow what a night.and no one is better than these guys when they're on. who do you guard?it's all about the process,you keep winning and you play on.they have as much of a chance as anty one . so sit back and enjoy the ride,it's only gonna get better.
SSD1979

Lakeland, FL

#24 Feb 25, 2010
Smalls wrote:
"Turner and Lighty combined for 33 of Ohio State's 45 points in the second half, including 29 in a row from 17:38 to 1:59."
I don't think that kind of play, unfortunately, will take them very deep into the tournament. I hope I'm wrong, but they probably need to get everyone more involved.
Most coaches approach this team accepting that ET is going to threaten a triple double regardless of who's guarding him or what strategy they use. From there, they prioritize the rest of the players: don't give Diebler space outside the arc, cut off Lighty's driving lanes, maybe even put their best defender on Buford and hope you can outscore Turner. Whatever, there's enough athleticism and talent on this team that whoever falls to the bottom of the list has the most opportunity, which usually results in exploitation and an "L" being dropped on the opposition's record.

Something else no one seems to talk about is that they lead the B10 in scoring differential, which means that whoever is leading the scoring on any given night, they are ALL playing pretty darn good "D". I'm starting to think playing time in games is earned by the defense you lay down in practice. When Hill or Simmons do make appearances, they usually make their way back to the pine after a defensive lapse, not a missed shot, turnover, etc.
OSUcrew

Findlay, OH

#25 Feb 25, 2010
The Buckeyes will be one of the easiest teams to assess in the tourney. Teams with a strong inside presence our teams that give us a lot of trouble.

All our losses- WV, PUR, WIS, scUM, Minn, Butler and UNC all have solid interior post players that can score.

Teams we beat that were worth anything- FSU, CAL, WIS(without leuer) MSU, ILLI. All lack a go to dominant post players. Delvon Roe is solid, but for whatever reason he's clearly not the focal point of their offense. When we knocked off PUR, Johnson only had 4 points and wasn't getting any looks in the post. Then when they came to Columbus Johnson was clearly the focal point of their offensive scheme and they exploited our lack of inside presence.

The other bad draw would be a 2nd round team with depth. Say we get a 3 seed and run into a 6 seed team like Tennessee or Baylor we'd be in serious trouble. But high seeded teams like Duke, Syracuse, BYU, and Gonzaga we'd matchup great against.

If we see teams like Nova, Kentucky, G-town, Baylor, Tennesse, Clemson, New Mexico, Texas, Uconn, Kansas ect..we could be in for a long day or an early exit. Simply because we can't matchup inside.
Not impressed

United States

#26 Feb 25, 2010
Penn State should have been an opportunity to expand the roster and rotate other players in the mix, something that will be necessary late in the season. I know that people will defend Matta's shallow bench and say that he knows the strengths and weaknesses of his players but Matta's reluctance to go to the bench was the reason a couple of promising players transferred. It's hard to hone your skills when you don't get any playing time.

Matta will post an impressive finish in the conference standings and will likely advance deep into the conference tournament, but the last laugh will be on whoever Ohio State sees in the second round and I wouldn't be surprised to see a 15 seed pull of an upset in the first over the Buckeyes by running Thad's six into the ground.

People keep saying "wait until next year, that class is loaded" but people expected big things out of Kosta and BJ as well and they both played like chumps.
To OSUcrew

United States

#27 Feb 25, 2010
OSUcrew wrote:
The Buckeyes will be one of the easiest teams to assess in the tourney. Teams with a strong inside presence our teams that give us a lot of trouble.
All our losses- WV, PUR, WIS, scUM, Minn, Butler and UNC all have solid interior post players that can score.
Teams we beat that were worth anything- FSU, CAL, WIS(without leuer) MSU, ILLI. All lack a go to dominant post players. Delvon Roe is solid, but for whatever reason he's clearly not the focal point of their offense. When we knocked off PUR, Johnson only had 4 points and wasn't getting any looks in the post. Then when they came to Columbus Johnson was clearly the focal point of their offensive scheme and they exploited our lack of inside presence.
The other bad draw would be a 2nd round team with depth. Say we get a 3 seed and run into a 6 seed team like Tennessee or Baylor we'd be in serious trouble. But high seeded teams like Duke, Syracuse, BYU, and Gonzaga we'd matchup great against.
If we see teams like Nova, Kentucky, G-town, Baylor, Tennesse, Clemson, New Mexico, Texas, Uconn, Kansas ect..we could be in for a long day or an early exit. Simply because we can't matchup inside.
Your arguments make no sense. First, you fail to mention that three of the seven losses were without Turner. Your arguments become more flimsy given the fact we have split with three of the four (hopefully all four this weekend) Big Ten Teams we lost to (two without Turner). Plus, in many of our losses the other team's big man was not the main reason we lost. For example, when we lost to Minnesota, Sampson did not have a big game. One of the main reasons we lost was our inability to guard hoffarber. I think Johnson for Purdue and Howard for Butler are the best big men we have faced this year. I like our chances in the Butler game if Turner plays. We beat Purdue once and even with Johnson having the game of his life in Columbus and us hitting nothing from outside, we still had a chance to tie it at the end of the game. One final point, with the leading shot blocker in the Big Ten, it is tough to say we have no inside presence on defense. By no means am I saying we are world beaters and certainly many teams can give us fits, but your points regarding us facing teams with an inside presence is weak.
To Not impressed

United States

#28 Feb 25, 2010
Not impressed wrote:
Penn State should have been an opportunity to expand the roster and rotate other players in the mix, something that will be necessary late in the season. I know that people will defend Matta's shallow bench and say that he knows the strengths and weaknesses of his players but Matta's reluctance to go to the bench was the reason a couple of promising players transferred. It's hard to hone your skills when you don't get any playing time.
Matta will post an impressive finish in the conference standings and will likely advance deep into the conference tournament, but the last laugh will be on whoever Ohio State sees in the second round and I wouldn't be surprised to see a 15 seed pull of an upset in the first over the Buckeyes by running Thad's six into the ground.
People keep saying "wait until next year, that class is loaded" but people expected big things out of Kosta and BJ as well and they both played like chumps.
I hope you and Imaidiot are happy together. You're kids will know absolutely nothing about basketball.
BS Detective

United States

#29 Feb 25, 2010
To Not impressed wrote:
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I hope you and Imaidiot are happy together. You're kids will know absolutely nothing about basketball.
I think the concerns are valid. Thad Matta doesn't like to go to his bench. That's not news. In fact, it's well-known enough that a lot of players considering Ohio State opt to play elsewhere. Other coaches use that against Matta. Daequan Cook surprised a lot of people when he left, but he left because he felt resitricted in Matta's scheme and feared his draft stock would fall. He's still playing in the NBA so it's not a bad decision.

Eric Walter , Anthony Crater and Walter Offutt all transferred because they saw that Matta doesn't go to the bench. Thad Matta even mention that he needed to go to his bench more in this quote from November:

"I probably made a mistake. I needed to get more guys into the game," OSU coach Thad Matta said Monday when asked about using his bench so little in those two games. "But I got a little narrow-minded and I wanted some guys to play while they were tired. We definitely need to get our depth in there."

Unfortunately, Matta never got around to it.

I'm not a coach so I'll reserve judgment until April but if Ohio State doesn't advance into the Sweet 16 I think this subject will be worthwhile.

As for somebody not knowing anything about hoops, I've got to say that you look like you're the one who is out of touch. Depth wins championships. It's easy to get to the Big Dance but playing a must-win game on Sunday after you left it all on the floor Friday requires help from the 7th, 8th and 9th best players on your team.
OSUcrew

Findlay, OH

#30 Feb 25, 2010
Why is it a weak argument? When did MSU make their run? When Lauderdale and Madsen were in foul trouble.

Why do you think right after halftime Izzo pounded the ball to Roe and Green?? I'm not discounting Dallas' presence, but I also won't discount his undisciplined nature to get into foul trouble.

It's no secret. We're most flawed inside. It'll be attacked in the tournament if we face match up problems.
Dude

Waxhaw, NC

#31 Feb 25, 2010
Did anyone notice.....We're 22 and 7,(12 and 4 Big Ten).......We are still in the running for at least a tie for the Title......Hummel is out for the rest of the year.....A key player for Purdue....And they are now like us when ET was out...(Re. Purdue and Minn.) Never like to see anyone hurt but no one cared about us when ET was out. And yes we do have a better than average chance now for at least a share of the title. The Tar Heel fans are screaming for Old Roy's head. So we are not the only ones screaming this and that. They're 3 and 10 in the ACC now.
OH BY THE WAY....IMA IDIOTT...YES WE KNOW YOU ARE,
YOU'VE PROVEN THAT....Now lets talk sports.
allknowing12

Streetsboro, OH

#32 Feb 25, 2010
ima idiott wrote:
<quoted text>Is Simmons and Hill white or black. Now I have no idea but if they are white then that is why they are not playing. If they are black that just means they are horrible. God Bless!
ima idiott, I read another post of yours where you told us your story about how you lost your legs in Vietnam. My heart went out to you when I read that. You even used this story of yours to suggest to BuckeyeZman that he think twice before lashing out at people because he does not know what their "real story" is. Well, ima idiott, you need to practice what you preach. Your racist tone has no place on these boards or in life. Your comments are hurtful and deny people the very respect that you asked of, BuckeyeZman. Please be considerate of all people on these boards and we will do so in return.

Since: Sep 09

Cincinnati, ohio

#33 Feb 25, 2010
One thing is for sure: If this team is going to go far, they have to get some help from Simmons or Hill. Those guys don't have to score 15 or play 20 minutes but they have to play 6 minutes per half, play stellar, passionate defense and look for small ways to help offensively. Maybe a penetration and dish, or a wide open, set your feet and square your shoulders three point shot (exactly not what Simmons did last night in the 2nd half). Those guys need to practice hard.
SouthernTman

New Bern, NC

#34 Feb 25, 2010
Bill wrote:
Being that they are a 5-man team I hope they mail it in during the Big-10 tournament so they can rest up for the NCAA tournament. As talented as the 5 are I don't see them running through back-to-back games two weeks in a row through the tournament against good teams. Hope I'm wrong but it's difficult with an unproven bench if you get in foul trouble or if someone gets hurt.
You are exactly right. Everyone is talking about getting to the 1 or 2 round...they are talented enough to go farther, but not only using 5.5 guys. I thought Matta was smarter than that. I've lost my attitude towards him. I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think we'll get very far either in the Big 10 or the NCAA.
DAVEG

Madison, WI

#35 Feb 25, 2010
SOunds good too bad I missed it. Penn St is usually unpedictable. If we can win two more we can finish first...just in time.
buckeye alum 08

United States

#36 Feb 25, 2010
I dont know where you guys are from but where I am from TOP TEN teams dont fair too bad in the tourny!
To BS Detective

United States

#37 Feb 26, 2010
BS Detective wrote:
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I think the concerns are valid. Thad Matta doesn't like to go to his bench. That's not news. In fact, it's well-known enough that a lot of players considering Ohio State opt to play elsewhere. Other coaches use that against Matta. Daequan Cook surprised a lot of people when he left, but he left because he felt resitricted in Matta's scheme and feared his draft stock would fall. He's still playing in the NBA so it's not a bad decision.
Eric Walter , Anthony Crater and Walter Offutt all transferred because they saw that Matta doesn't go to the bench. Thad Matta even mention that he needed to go to his bench more in this quote from November:
"I probably made a mistake. I needed to get more guys into the game," OSU coach Thad Matta said Monday when asked about using his bench so little in those two games. "But I got a little narrow-minded and I wanted some guys to play while they were tired. We definitely need to get our depth in there."
Unfortunately, Matta never got around to it.
I'm not a coach so I'll reserve judgment until April but if Ohio State doesn't advance into the Sweet 16 I think this subject will be worthwhile.
As for somebody not knowing anything about hoops, I've got to say that you look like you're the one who is out of touch. Depth wins championships. It's easy to get to the Big Dance but playing a must-win game on Sunday after you left it all on the floor Friday requires help from the 7th, 8th and 9th best players on your team.
First of all, you might want to learn the players names who transferred. I don't remember an Eric Walter. As for the three you mentioned (Wallace, Offutt, and Crater), Wallace and Offutt transfered because they weren't getting enough playing time. They weren't getting enough playing time because they weren't good enough. They made smart decision transferring. Crater was a headcase and a VERY close source to the team told me they were happy he left. He has been arrested at least once since leaving the program. I would like to know who all these players are that decided against coming to OSU because Matta doesn't play his bench? Last I checked Matta has brought in numerous top ranked classes and has the 1st or 2nd ranked class coming in next year. I agree that lack of depth may hurt us, but don't start blaming Matta for guys transferring because they weren't good enough to play at this level. And don't give me this "why did he recruit them" garbage. Recruiting is an inexact science and you miss on some guys. I don't think we can argue with Matta's recruiting based on the players he has brought in.

“Bleeding Scarlet and Gray!”

Since: Sep 09

Worthington

#38 Feb 26, 2010
A lot of negativity on here. If I remember correctly, I saw some of the same negative people at the beginning of January saying that OSU wouldn't even get to the NCAA tourney. Everybody wrote them off aside from a few fans that know what they are talking about. Now they post their 22nd win and are a half game away from a share of the B10 lead, and are ranked in the top 10 in the nation, and these posters are still on here being critical. How about your comments that were so insightful about them not making the tourney? What about you saying we had no chance in the conference? And you know who you are, but I don't expect anyone to admit they were wrong, that would be too much to ask.
OSUcrew

Findlay, OH

#39 Mar 2, 2010
Why the heck would you "mail in" any game, EVER?! Obviously in the Big Ten tourney, Matta will use more of Madsen, Hill and Simmons. If we make it to the championship, they still have til thursday or Friday off. They're basically all 20-21 years old...they'll be ok.

You do realize..If we win against Illinois and win the Big10 tourney, we'd be a darkhorse for a number one seed, right?? We're pegged as a no. 2 now. Nova,PUR,WV,K-State...none of them are separating themselves.

Lastly, remember: The committee will judge us upon the games Turner was playing in. Which makes us currently 20-4. Add a regular and post season championship to that resume and we could steal that last no. 1 seed!

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