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Men's basketball: Opponents limiting Buckeyes' possessions | BuckeyeXtra

There are 14 comments on the Columbus Dispatch story from Feb 3, 2011, titled Men's basketball: Opponents limiting Buckeyes' possessions | BuckeyeXtra. In it, Columbus Dispatch reports that:

Coach Thad Matta and his assistants met before the Ohio State played Northwestern last week to discuss what they might expect from the Wildcats.

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mittymjs

Shippensburg, PA

#1 Feb 3, 2011
Those offensive rebounds that NW got were mostly a fluke - about 10 of them. They were shooting 3's and missing bad with the result being the ball coming back almost to the 3 point line. Most of the time the rebonding area is fairly close to the basket. This won't happen in MOST games. Not to suggest that we ARE great at defensive rebounds but that NW game was a fluke.
RSouthard

United States

#2 Feb 3, 2011
Why not then pick them up closer to half court or even a press from in bounds after a basket an not guarding the player throwing in.?

Why does Sullinger take a dribble 90% of the time before shooting? A player going low on a double team will start getting the ball.
BHints

Cincinnati, OH

#3 Feb 3, 2011
mittymjs wrote:
Those offensive rebounds that NW got were mostly a fluke - about 10 of them. They were shooting 3's and missing bad with the result being the ball coming back almost to the 3 point line. Most of the time the rebonding area is fairly close to the basket. This won't happen in MOST games. Not to suggest that we ARE great at defensive rebounds but that NW game was a fluke.
I agree. The only way to get those rebounds is to get lucky and be in the right place at the right time.

Another point on defensive rebounding that I've noticed with this team is, because their defense is so stringent, it's difficult to always be in position to get the rebound if it takes a funny bounce off the rim. When you're committed to defending, you're not always focused on boxing out or being in position when the shot goes up because you're trying to recover (or in some cases get up off the floor after being hit in the mouth ((see Penn State game)).
Spider68

Bedford, OH

#4 Feb 3, 2011
RSouthard wrote:
Why not then pick them up closer to half court or even a press from in bounds after a basket an not guarding the player throwing in.?
Why does Sullinger take a dribble 90% of the time before shooting? A player going low on a double team will start getting the ball.
Hey RSouthard,
[BR /]
? You ask "Why not then pick them up closer to half court?"
That seems like a great idea. If they are going to hold the ball then make their possession as stressful as possible.
-----Reservations: 1) does that make the backdoor cut easier? Do not know.
----------2) can you press that much playing 6.5 players?
Mike in Raleigh

Cary, NC

#5 Feb 3, 2011
On rebounding: when the ball goes up, the first thing you should do is look for a man to box out, get in a knees-bent stance, and put your butt into him. Too many times, I see guys standing upright and not looking around when a shot goes up. Still, I agree many lost rebounds in the NW game were off of goofy bounces.

On slowing the game: this limits Buckeye possessions but might also benefit OSU playing only 6-7 men, with the caveat that you should be working harder on defense than offense.
Seamus

Naples, FL

#6 Feb 3, 2011
One way to overcome a team who's sole intent is to limit the opposing teams possessions is to play from ahead. Sooner or later the score and time remaining in the game or half will force them to attempt to score much sooner in the cycle. That is why that 7 point swing was so critical in the NU game. We were up 11 or 12 at the time and the game was right on the brink of Northwestern having to take a different direction. Also, Norhwestern, and maybe Penn State, are the only league teams who can play that way because they practice and game plan their whole existence within that Princeton style. I don't think just anyone can initiate that method of play overnight, hoping their conversion to offense in the last 8 seconds of a posssession will actually produce points necessary to win even close, low scoring games. We're fine doing what we're doing because Matta has made a serious point of emphasis to play qickly to begin games and get ahead. If the first five minutes are successful you can dictate pace of play for the remainder of the game

“Bleeding Scarlet and Gray!”

Since: Sep 09

Worthington

#7 Feb 3, 2011
Mike in Raleigh wrote:
On rebounding: when the ball goes up, the first thing you should do is look for a man to box out, get in a knees-bent stance, and put your butt into him. Too many times, I see guys standing upright and not looking around when a shot goes up. Still, I agree many lost rebounds in the NW game were off of goofy bounces.
On slowing the game: this limits Buckeye possessions but might also benefit OSU playing only 6-7 men, with the caveat that you should be working harder on defense than offense.
Very true, if they are limiting possessions the Bucks aren't running the floor, needing less substitutions. And the other thing that could play into the Bucks favor is that the opposing team then has to convert on most of its offensive opportunities, because if not, the Bucks will and they will win. Let's face it, the only reason the score in the NW game was close was because they were throwing up some prayers and hitting them to close the gap. Pair that with the 7 point Lauderdale foul and that is why it was a game. Normally that doesn't happen.
OSUBest

AOL

#8 Feb 3, 2011
That is such a jr. high school girl way to play.
Man up and play the way a college game is supposed to be played! Wisconsin always plays like girls -
they hold the ball for half of the game because they don't have the players who can run and gun.
I hate watching that type of game. It is so frustrating. They are admitting that they are not
as good and they only way they can compete is to
stall the game away. Why not just recruit better??
BHints

Cincinnati, OH

#9 Feb 3, 2011
There is only one team in the country that isn't getting beat by teams that they should be beating. Duke got crushed by St. John's, Minnesota lost to Indiana, Michigan State got waxed by Iowa, etc. Them Buckeyes just keep rollin'. They may lose two or three games in this upcoming stretch but, like I and several others have said, it doesn't matter at this point. They've proven they can win against whatever game plan is thrown at them.

I can't wait for March!
Go Bucks!
45has2

Tallahassee, FL

#10 Feb 3, 2011
Crush the weasels! GO BUCKS, 23-OH.
bsharp

Columbus, OH

#11 Feb 3, 2011
Damn, there are some basketball-smart people posting here. Yep, pressing might work but that does present a problem playing only 7 guys (Lauderdale and Thomas are getting 1/2 guy minutes).

Disagree with altering Sullinger's game though. His turnovers aren't bad, so let him dribble once or twice. He isn't a 7 footer and he's got some handle and he obviously has ways to get position over taller opponents. Don't mess with success! The only thing is, that this strategy will draw a lot of fouls. Improve FT%!(you too Dave ;-))

The thing is that in all these close games (even IUPUI) the Buckeyes have played pretty good. It's just that the other team managed to play very good and keep it close. Credit to OSU upperclassmen for keeping their poise and composure, close game after close game, letting the opponenent make the final mistake.
Scarlet O hio

United States

#12 Feb 3, 2011
For Dave Lighty fans, go vote for him at Lowe's Senior Class Award as stated earlier this week in a Dispatch article. He was way in the lead, but has been overtaken by Tyrel Reed of Kansas now, so please go vote (you can vote once daily) and send the link onto all your Buckeye friends.
http://www.seniorclassaward.com/vote/mens_bas...
Stuck in the Stone Age

Smyrna, GA

#13 Feb 3, 2011
Sound strategy: like being able to run the ball in football so as to keep the other team's offense off the field and to shorten and tighten games. It will surely test the patience of the younger players. We shall see if they are as mentally strong as they are athletically gifted.
impressed

Columbus, OH

#14 Feb 3, 2011
How can there be so many objective intelligent people posting here about basketball, but when it comes to football most posters are just plain dumb?

Is Ohio actually a basketball state????

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