At least 2 shot at Illinois university

Feb 14, 2008 Full story: www.cnn.com 1,689

At least two people have been shot and several injured shortly before 4 p.m. CT at Northern Illinois University outside Chicago, CNN affiliates are reporting.

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Since: Jul 07

United States

#1783 Feb 23, 2008
Ziggy,
Australia's murder rate did not go up, but it did not go down either. According to their government the rate has stayed the same with one up year. What that means is that they disarmed 94% of their population and the murder rate stayed the same, so only the method of murder changed. Here it is from the aussie government site:
"The overall trend in the incidence of homicide has remained stable over the 17-year period since the Australian Institute of Criminology began monitoring in 1989." http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/rpp/77/
Over the past 17 years, the rate of homicide has fluctuated by 0.7 per 100,000 persons. In fact, in the last year's data there was a FOURTEEN PERCENT INCREASE.
Australia assaults double since gun ban
http://www.aic.gov.au/stats/crime/assault.htm...
http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/facts/2006...
Aussie violent crime increasing
http://search.abc.net.au/search/search.cgi...
Australia Crime 2006
"In 2006, a weapon was used in 74% of attempted murders, 63% of murders and 44% of robberies. A knife was the most common type of weapon used in committing these offences. Over one third (34%) of murder victims, 35% of attempted murder victims, 22% of victims of robbery and 10% of kidnapping/abduction victims were subjected to an offence involving a knife.
"A firearm was involved in a quarter of the offences (25%) of attempted murder, 17% of murder and 7% of robbery offences.
Comparing international trends in recorded violent crime – Australia violent crime DOUBLE that of the US, and Britain/Wales far higher and climbing
http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/cfi/cfi115...
Britain:
Britain Homicide Rate
...three years ago authorities in England and Wales recorded more homicides than at any time in the last century; 1,043 deaths in a year — possibly the most since the Civil War. Murder had rocketed.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/colu...
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0,,2-232432...
The overall number of killings in London could also be spiralling. The use of knives is also rising. There were 7,883 offences involving knives in London between April 2001 and January this year against 2,873 during the same period in 2000.
The use of guns is rising in crime generally. The use of real or fake guns in muggings rose by 53 per cent between April and November 2000 and the number of incidents climbed from 435 to 667 during the same period in 2001. The use of weapons in burglaries also rose by 56 per cent over the same period.
Between April and November 2000, officers from Operation Trident, which targets black-on-black crime, were called to nine new murders. During the same eight months in 2001 there were 16 killings.
The campaign is being launched a week after Sir John Stevens of Scotland Yard said that gun crime in London was reaching unprecedented levels and that innocent bystanders could be caught in gunfights.
Dial-A-Gun Warning in Scotland http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-ne...
The shadow home secretary, David Davis, said gun crime in the UK had increased fourfold over the past decade http://politics.guardian.co.uk/homeaffairs/st...
British Gun crime soars in cities GUN crime has soared by up to 50 per cent in violent inner-cities, a report reveals this week. http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-20023107...
Britain named as one of Europe's crime hotspots
www.guardian.co.uk/crime/article/0,,2006747,0...

Since: Jul 07

United States

#1784 Feb 23, 2008
I will keep looking for actual statistical numbers on their murder rates.

“Now thats a tin hat!”

Since: Oct 07

Blue Ridge Mountains

#1785 Feb 23, 2008
el politico wrote:
Ziggy,
Australia's murder rate did not go up, but it did not go down either. According to their government the rate has stayed the same with one up year. What that means is that they disarmed 94% of their population and the murder rate stayed the same, so only the method of murder changed. Here it is from the aussie government site:
Thank you for the beautiful words.
Do you have any insight into my thought regarding trading headlines for more violence. Australia can say they have had no headline murders since banning guns. But at what cost? By disarming the law abiding citizen, are they the ones to pay for keeping killings out of the headlines?
Criminologist

United States

#1786 Feb 23, 2008
el politico


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Ziggy,
Australia's murder rate did not go up, but it did not go down either. According to their government the rate has stayed the same with one up year. What that means is that they disarmed 94% of their population and the murder rate stayed the same, so only the method of murder changed. Here it is from the aussie government site:
"The overall trend in the incidence of homicide has remained stable over the 17-year period since the Australian Institute of Criminology began monitoring in 1989." http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/rpp/77/
Over the past 17 years, the rate of homicide has fluctuated by 0.7 per 100,000 persons. In fact, in the last year's data there was a FOURTEEN PERCENT INCREASE.
Australia assaults double since gun ban
http://www.aic.gov.au/stats/crime/assault.htm ...
http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/facts/2006 ...
Aussie violent crime increasing
http://search.abc.net.au/search/search.cgi ...
Australia Crime 2006
"In 2006, a weapon was used in 74% of attempted murders, 63% of murders and 44% of robberies. A knife was the most common type of weapon used in committing these offences. Over one third (34%) of murder victims, 35% of attempted murder victims, 22% of victims of robbery and 10% of kidnapping/abduction victims were subjected to an offence involving a knife.
"A firearm was involved in a quarter of the offences (25%) of attempted murder, 17% of murder and 7% of robbery offences.
Comparing international trends in recorded violent crime – Australia violent crime DOUBLE that of the US, and Britain/Wales far higher and climbing
http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/cfi/cfi115 ...
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Dear politico:

Good work finding those data sources that show the counterproductive nature of gun control!

I'd like to suggest a couple of ways you can use the information to make even stronger points.

1. You correctly note that Australia's murder rate and violent crime rates have only increased modestly in the last 17 years...but that tends to deceive people into believing that they have a workable gun control system.("See, gun control stabilizes things and keeps the violence rate from going crazy") But since the major issue in the U.S. is OUR murder and violent crime rates, why not compare Australia's trends to ours? It is not as if crime rates are inevitably going to increase and the best we can hope for is a modest worsening of our situation. Why not look for improvement?

In the last 17 years, U.S. murder rates have DECREASED by 34.5%!(8.7 per 100,000 vs. 5.7)

Our violent crime rate has DECREASED by 28.6%!(663.1 vs. 473.5)

Both of those figures make the "control" of Australia's rates look extremely pathetic.

Both of these results occurred while more Americans were buying firearms and carrying them in public than at any time in recent history. These figures actually undercount the effects of CCW, because the study period (1989-2006) includes several early years which preceded the big expansion in "shall issue" CCW, and crime rates had not yet started to decline nationally.

Does anyone see any evidence that "easy access" causes violent crime or murder? Perhaps it depends upon the nature of the persons who have that "easy access"? Or it could be expressed in terms of "balance of power".

2. The other point we should always make is that “gun crimes” is a meaningless stat, only intended to deceive and to destroy the right of self-defense....what counts is total violent crimes and murder. If “gun crimes” decline 10% and “total violent crimes” increase 30%, we have lost ground. No relative of a victim has ever said,“Thank God my daughter was raped, tortured, mutilated, and murdered with a knife! That is so much friendlier than dying by gunfire! I am so grateful to that criminal!” Same with robbery or murder or rape or assault or arson.
jmac

Mundelein, IL

#1787 Feb 24, 2008
ZigmunnDroid wrote:
<quoted text>
Too bad bugs only eat fresh crap. If you had bothered to look back in the posts you would have seen an enormous amount of statement with quotes and reference. Actually well written.
that was not a dig , it was agreeing with. you misinterpeted the meaning

“Now thats a tin hat!”

Since: Oct 07

Blue Ridge Mountains

#1788 Feb 24, 2008
jmac wrote:
<quoted text>that was not a dig , it was agreeing with. you misinterpeted the meaning
Sorry about that, chief.
jmac

Mundelein, IL

#1789 Feb 24, 2008
ZigmunnDroid wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry about that, chief.
no harm no foul
Criminologist

United States

#1790 Mar 8, 2008
Hi, friends!

You might want to join an active thread at:

http://news.aol.com/story/_a/state-bill-would...
anon

United States

#1791 Mar 12, 2008
Darwins Stepchild wrote:
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Oh, that is a brilliant solution...give people in a stressful environment guns.
My heart goes out to those wounded and their families. I do find it amazing that all were head shots, but no fatalities (reported so far).
I can already hear the right wingnuts...blaming it on <insert name of their favorite bogey man>.
"right wingnuts" wow- such highly educated liberals, enjoy your welfare check and high school education.

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