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North Carolina fired coach Butch Davis just nine days before preseason practice begins for the Tar Heels. Full Story
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buckeye fan

Pandora, OH

#1 Jul 28, 2011
Gee...sounds like the Gordon and Gene show...proclaim publicly how much you are behind him until the media goes into a frenzy and then cave to the pressure to "protect the brand" as you turn tail and run. Had an old boss who used to describe people like this as "alligator mouth and canary a$$"
zappa912

Sylvania, OH

#2 Jul 28, 2011
What a shock. When I read about it, I spilled my morning coffee. Can you believe such a terrible thing like this can happen in the forgiving and compassionate world we live in today?

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#3 Jul 28, 2011
The only thing surprising about this is that they would do it so close to the start of a season.
DEATH PENALTY FOR OSU

New York, NY

#4 Jul 28, 2011
Cannot respect schools that allow rogue coaches to bend and break rules to win at all costs, and allow the coach to be the face of the university while things go well until the truth be told.

These are the same despicable schools (osu) that distance themselves from their coach when discovered and disguise their lies from the NCAA by orderly filekeeping in the compliance department, knowing all along the coach is the face of the university, not the compliance department.

Facts are stubborn things and lies fundamentally alter the culture of these despicable programs for the worse.
grimreaper_99

Dayton, OH

#5 Jul 28, 2011
What happened? Did the coach cover for a player who got a dicounted ride on the merry-go-round at the county fair?That would be a capital offense and cause all their opponents to be at an unfair disadvantage!!OMG!!!Call homeland security and lockdown the univerity!!
Deer headlights

Raleigh, NC

#6 Jul 28, 2011
-Just Sayin- wrote:
The only thing surprising about this is that they would do it so close to the start of a season.
Down here in Cary, across the pond from CH, we're all sayin' the same thing. Insider flies on walls are hinting that a last minute firing had more to do with high stakes $$ contract payouts (Davis's could exceed 3mil) than anything. Seems also UNC was seeing collateral damage fallout showing up in recruiting. To be honest- Thorpie did a huge disservice by not addressing the coaching issue back in Dec. We coulda been light years ahead on recuperating at this point. Really makes one wonder if these 'Board' members are fit to run the insane asylums called college sports.... kind of pitiful really.
Robert Smith

Columbus, OH

#7 Jul 28, 2011
Geez ... could UNC have taken any longer? At least the university president didn't suggest that Butch Davis might fire him.

I agree 100% with the firing, but I can't understand why they waited until just before spring practice to make the decision.

Clearly, though, Butch is another adherent to that old adage first spoken by Harry Truman and used by many leaders ever since, "The buck stops --> THERE. Pay me big money, but please don't hold me accountable for anything that goes on ... unless it is good."

“Bleeding Scarlet and Gray!”

Since: Sep 09

Worthington

#8 Jul 28, 2011
-Just Sayin- wrote:
The only thing surprising about this is that they would do it so close to the start of a season.
I agree. I don't know why they would wait until a month from the first game. Makes me think there might be more to it than the NCAA investigation.
irishbullhorn

Cedar Park, TX

#9 Jul 28, 2011
Deer headlights wrote:
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Down here in Cary, across the pond from CH, we're all sayin' the same thing. Insider flies on walls are hinting that a last minute firing had more to do with high stakes $$ contract payouts (Davis's could exceed 3mil) than anything. Seems also UNC was seeing collateral damage fallout showing up in recruiting. To be honest- Thorpie did a huge disservice by not addressing the coaching issue back in Dec. We coulda been light years ahead on recuperating at this point. Really makes one wonder if these 'Board' members are fit to run the insane asylums called college sports.... kind of pitiful really.
Regardless of the reason ($$$, integrity, or both), the UNC Board of Regents decided it was time for Davis to go and made Thorp the bearer of bad news. I would like to think Davis' dismissal had more to do with maintaining the integrity of the university, and its football program, but in this world we live in today $$$ probably had as much to do with it as anything. Guys like Davis and Tressel may be viewed as the "scapegoats" in matters such as these, BUT, they were hired knowing full well that they held the ultimate responsibility for the programs they were in charge of.
NCAA a joke

Columbus, OH

#10 Jul 28, 2011
NCAA is a joke. Abolish it now. Pay the kids who bring millions to the university. Stop the enforcement of all the ridiculous rules. Implement a playoff. Press charges against bowl game organizes who accept graft.

The whole system is completely screwed up, and the only ones that suffer are 19 and 20 year old kids.
Buckeyeforlife

Charleston, SC

#11 Jul 28, 2011
DEATH PENALTY FOR OSU wrote:
Cannot respect schools that allow rogue coaches to bend and break rules to win at all costs, and allow the coach to be the face of the university while things go well until the truth be told.
These are the same despicable schools (osu) that distance themselves from their coach when discovered and disguise their lies from the NCAA by orderly filekeeping in the compliance department, knowing all along the coach is the face of the university, not the compliance department.
Facts are stubborn things and lies fundamentally alter the culture of these despicable programs for the worse.
You have such a dim (and simplified) view of human nature.

Evil coaches...evil university administrations...kill them...kill them all... ruining the world for the rest of us angelic, honest folk.

The real world is more gray, than black and white, my friend. Good men (and women), do good (sometimes great) things. And...good men (and women) sometimes do stupid or selfish things (for simple and complex reasons). If we really want to make the world better (in this case the world of college athletics) maybe we should take each situation on a case-by-case basis. We should also look at system reform for the NCAA.

Most top major programs attract a seedy element (felons, gamblers, agents, wannabees) that constantly try to gain access and advantage. Even the most honest people have trouble controlling this element. Prosecuting (persecuting) coaches will not solve the problem. System reform (including making it criminal for outside influences to induce the breaking of NCAA rules) might improve what is a very difficult problem at many major academic/athletic institutions.

2805.

Go Bucks!!!

“SEC = Bandwagon”

Since: Dec 06

Cleveland, Ms,

#12 Jul 28, 2011
NCAA a joke wrote:
NCAA is a joke. Abolish it now. Pay the kids who bring millions to the university. Stop the enforcement of all the ridiculous rules. Implement a playoff. Press charges against bowl game organizes who accept graft.
The whole system is completely screwed up, and the only ones that suffer are 19 and 20 year old kids.
How are the 19 and 20 year old kids suffering, are you a moron? They are receiving a free education which is worth millions to their future, they get a free place to stay, free food. They are being trained by professionals. They even get free cars and tatoos if they go to Ohio State. No one owes them a damn thing and they certainly aren't suffering. I would have loved to be in their shows when i was 19 or 20. The only 19 or 20 year olds that suffer are in the military and they do so willingly and with pride. You have to be a liberal. You sound like one of those blame da guberment blame da NCAA, but you live off the "gubermanet". Lets do this, they are kicked out of school by their 3rd year if you aren't on schedule to graduate in 4. You are required to go to class and take your own test. The rules should be harder on these kids not softer. The tax payers should be raising hell that they aren't getting enough return on their money from these kids since they are the ones footing the bill. Most atheletic departments lose money. Less that 20% make money.
Shocked

Columbus, OH

#13 Jul 28, 2011
What shocked me most was the fact that the story contained the words "North Carolina" and "football" in the same sentense. Who would have thought that the bastion of basketball would recognize that there was another sport?
GATOR GARY

Saint Petersburg, FL

#14 Jul 28, 2011
One of a GATOR Fans worst nightmare was Davis staying at Miami! If he would have stayed at Miami, Miami would have had about 3 more National Championships! OSU would have never beaten Miami if Butch would have been the coach instead of Coker! Davis is a great coach! OSU SHOULD THINK ABOUT HIRING AFTER FICKLE GETS CANNES AFTER THIS YEAR!
NCAA a joke

Columbus, OH

#15 Jul 28, 2011
BigDan wrote:
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How are the 19 and 20 year old kids suffering, are you a moron? They are receiving a free education which is worth millions to their future, they get a free place to stay, free food. They are being trained by professionals. They even get free cars and tatoos if they go to Ohio State. No one owes them a damn thing and they certainly aren't suffering. I would have loved to be in their shows when i was 19 or 20. The only 19 or 20 year olds that suffer are in the military and they do so willingly and with pride. You have to be a liberal. You sound like one of those blame da guberment blame da NCAA, but you live off the "gubermanet". Lets do this, they are kicked out of school by their 3rd year if you aren't on schedule to graduate in 4. You are required to go to class and take your own test. The rules should be harder on these kids not softer. The tax payers should be raising hell that they aren't getting enough return on their money from these kids since they are the ones footing the bill. Most atheletic departments lose money. Less that 20% make money.
Lighten up lunatic.

Point is the kids are bringing in millions - that's right millions - to OSU. Pay them their fair share, then you can charge them for tuition and room and board. Then the taxpayers can claim victory.

Don't forget, the OSU debacle is largely due to players selling merchandise they own, and was given to them by the NCAA. But they can't sell it? ridiculous rules.

Liberal/conservative? What the F does that have to do with anything? We're all liberal crazies because we think kids should be paid for what they do? Guess what, they outlawed slavery more than 100 years ago. Please join us in the real world.

Since: Jun 11

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#16 Jul 28, 2011
NCAA a joke wrote:
<quoted text>
Lighten up lunatic.
Point is the kids are bringing in millions - that's right millions - to OSU. Pay them their fair share, then you can charge them for tuition and room and board. Then the taxpayers can claim victory.
Don't forget, the OSU debacle is largely due to players selling merchandise they own, and was given to them by the NCAA. But they can't sell it? ridiculous rules.
Liberal/conservative? What the F does that have to do with anything? We're all liberal crazies because we think kids should be paid for what they do? Guess what, they outlawed slavery more than 100 years ago. Please join us in the real world.
1. The kids are being paid handsomely for what they do.
2. The excess money pays for other kids to go to college.
3. Which kids do we pay? The QBs and RBs? What about the LBs and everyone else? Should we pay per play? Per minute played? Only if you make a good play? Maybe only for first downs on offense and stops on Defense? The back ups? The walk ons? What if a recruit doesn't pan out? Do we make him pack his stuff and pay back any monies given to him?
4. You can't sell memoribilia because it leaves too big a loophole in the system.
5. They are well aware of what the deal is prior to entering into it.

What you say is ridiculous and, frankly, not well thought out. You want to take education away from hundreds of other students so that some kid who is good at football can afford all of the tattoos and cars that he wants. Where the F are your priorities, dip$hit?
NCAA a joke

Columbus, OH

#17 Jul 28, 2011
-Just Sayin- wrote:
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1. The kids are being paid handsomely for what they do.
2. The excess money pays for other kids to go to college.
3. Which kids do we pay? The QBs and RBs? What about the LBs and everyone else? Should we pay per play? Per minute played? Only if you make a good play? Maybe only for first downs on offense and stops on Defense? The back ups? The walk ons? What if a recruit doesn't pan out? Do we make him pack his stuff and pay back any monies given to him?
4. You can't sell memoribilia because it leaves too big a loophole in the system.
5. They are well aware of what the deal is prior to entering into it.
What you say is ridiculous and, frankly, not well thought out. You want to take education away from hundreds of other students so that some kid who is good at football can afford all of the tattoos and cars that he wants. Where the F are your priorities, dip ****?
Ummm, when I was in college, I got paid for the work I did. Pay them equally or pay them based on skill, I don't care. It works for every other industry and every other sport in America. But don't think for a minute that they get paid "handsomely." They don't get paid anything, zero, zilch.

Can we let them go straight to the NFL? No. The NCAA and NFL have colluded to prevent kids from going straight to the NFL, so they're stuck working for free. There is no "deal" when they come to college. They are forced to play for free, and they are forced to follow archaic and outdated rules. Are you willing to work at your job without pay when there are no other options for you?

Your arguments make no sense and can be rebutted by anyone with at least a 5th grade education.

“Bleeding Scarlet and Gray!”

Since: Sep 09

Worthington

#18 Jul 28, 2011
NCAA a joke wrote:
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Ummm, when I was in college, I got paid for the work I did. Pay them equally or pay them based on skill, I don't care. It works for every other industry and every other sport in America. But don't think for a minute that they get paid "handsomely." They don't get paid anything, zero, zilch.
Can we let them go straight to the NFL? No. The NCAA and NFL have colluded to prevent kids from going straight to the NFL, so they're stuck working for free. There is no "deal" when they come to college. They are forced to play for free, and they are forced to follow archaic and outdated rules. Are you willing to work at your job without pay when there are no other options for you?
Your arguments make no sense and can be rebutted by anyone with at least a 5th grade education.
Your argument makes no sense.

Free tuition: Payment for them that normally equates to about $50,000 over 4 years.
Free housing: If someone else is paying your rent, it's income in any profession outside of college.
Free food: See above comments.

Not to mention they aren't technically "working" until they go pro. They are playing a game that they have paid to play their entire lives.

College football coach: "Hello son, how would you like to come and play a game with us, we will pay for your living expenses for 4 years, and give you the chance to go on to make millions of dollars?"

Athlete: "Ummmm, do I even need to answer that question? Of course! I have been paying to play this game my entire life!"

“SEC = Bandwagon”

Since: Dec 06

Cleveland, Ms,

#19 Jul 28, 2011
NCAA a joke wrote:
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Lighten up lunatic.
Point is the kids are bringing in millions - that's right millions - to OSU. Pay them their fair share, then you can charge them for tuition and room and board. Then the taxpayers can claim victory.
Don't forget, the OSU debacle is largely due to players selling merchandise they own, and was given to them by the NCAA. But they can't sell it? ridiculous rules.
Liberal/conservative? What the F does that have to do with anything? We're all liberal crazies because we think kids should be paid for what they do? Guess what, they outlawed slavery more than 100 years ago. Please join us in the real world.
"We're all liberal crazies because we think kids should be paid for what they do?"

They are paid, I guess you need to read my post again.

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#20 Jul 29, 2011
NCAA a joke wrote:
<quoted text>
Ummm, when I was in college, I got paid for the work I did. Pay them equally or pay them based on skill, I don't care. It works for every other industry and every other sport in America. But don't think for a minute that they get paid "handsomely." They don't get paid anything, zero, zilch.
Can we let them go straight to the NFL? No. The NCAA and NFL have colluded to prevent kids from going straight to the NFL, so they're stuck working for free. There is no "deal" when they come to college. They are forced to play for free, and they are forced to follow archaic and outdated rules. Are you willing to work at your job without pay when there are no other options for you?
Your arguments make no sense and can be rebutted by anyone with at least a 5th grade education.
Your arguments are ridiculous. If they need a job, they can go get one right out of high school like millions of other people. If they want to invest in their future, they can go to college and work hard so that when they get out they can get a great job - like millions of other people.

And if they play football, they get the following as compensation:

Tuition (over $100,000 at some schools)
Housing
Meals
Top notch medical care (best surgeons, etc)
Access to State of the Art work out facilities
Tutors
Nutritionists
Personal trainers
Books
Stipend for living expenses
Bowl game trips - all-expenses paid including lavish gifts

And that only covers some of the monetary gains. Lets not forget that they get national exposure to the NFL, coaching that helps get to the next level (like anyone in the real world gets that), these guys are treated like heroes on campus and get all kinds of attention from girls, and if OSU players don't make it at the next level there is a place for them here in Ohio in broadcasting and other jobs. People are always willing to find a place for a former Buckeye.

Go ask a regular student what they get.

And for you to say there is no deal in college is flat out ignorant. So I will explain it to you: "If you come play football for us, here is what you get in return:(see above)". They are not forced. They do not have to play football. Playing football is not a right in this country or any other. They have the option of not playing AT ANY TIME. They CHOSE to play.

Sounds like a great deal to me. You sound like a selfish baby.

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