Randy Shannon: UM players 'don't trus...

Randy Shannon: UM players 'don't trust coaching staff'

There are 63 comments on the South Florida Sun-Sentinel story from Oct 8, 2007, titled Randy Shannon: UM players 'don't trust coaching staff'. In it, South Florida Sun-Sentinel reports that:

Miami had problems executing in its 33-27 loss to North Carolina on Saturday, but coach Randy Shannon believes correcting on-field mistakes is just part of the challenge facing his team.

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Dan S

Branford, FL

#43 Oct 10, 2007
Harry Pitts wrote:
Any time a black person fails at something, it is authority that is to blame. That and predjudice by the white people. Never themselves.
Wow, way to turn it into a racial thing.
He's been the head coach for exactly 6 games, and the Canes are 4-2 with a shot to win the ACC. Can you really deem that a failure?
It will take time to undo the damage done by Coker. But Shannon is a tremendous recruiter. Unfortunately he will have the Canes turned around in no more than 3 years.
Dan S

Branford, FL

#44 Oct 10, 2007
Yellow Dog wrote:
What Larry Coker curse? Shannon is the coach, this is shannons team! If the players do not trust the coach it is the coach's fault. Not the previous coach.
They hired Shannon due to his personal story, not his ability. I like Randy, I enjoyed watching him play and I am pleased that he got this far but he is not ready. They should have hired the coach from Texas Tech. His offensive scheme is awesome.
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You want Texas Tech's coach with Kyle Wrong or Kirby Freeman at QB and your average receiving corps? Good luck with that...
Give Shannon time. Jeez, you would have thought the Canes are 0-6 the way some of you are talking.
DAVID DUKES

Miami, FL

#45 Oct 10, 2007
I thinks we bees needs Al Sharp-ie to bees straintins dis out. Maybe deys bees wantes to fires da black man soon ?
sumtercane

Kissimmee, FL

#46 Oct 10, 2007
THE BIRD wrote:
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Well Vegas among others would disagree with you re: USC, UF, etc., but good for you and your crew of Superfans, none of the reasons you listed would justify NC aspirations this year to any reasonably intelligent 'Canes fan.
Have you paid attention to 'Cane football over the years or do you just keep track of records? Very few if any parallels that matter can be drawn between this and last years coaching staff, squad, etc. and '98/'99's.
Obviously you are just trying to be a smart ass. Let me explain, I would draw you a picture, but can't insert pictures on blogs.

Example:
Did Vegas pick USF to be ranked in the top five? Maybe last year they picked Rutgers to have the season they had or maybe they picked Wake Forest to play for the ACC championship? You appear to be the type of guy that watches ESPN and Vegas odds to make your predictions for the season.

The Canes could have been a contender this year IF things clicked. No one knew what the Canes would do at the start of the season. Randy could have sparked a smoldering flame or they could come out playing as bad as last year. Honestly, I've seen spurts of both. If you are going to sit there and pound your chest like you are Mr. Football and say that you knew this is exactly the performance you expected from the Canes this year, before season start, then I say, GO BY A LOTTERY TICKET GENIUS!!
THE BIRD

United States

#47 Oct 11, 2007
sumtercane wrote:
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Obviously you are just trying to be a smart ass. Let me explain, I would draw you a picture, but can't insert pictures on blogs.
Example:
Did Vegas pick USF to be ranked in the top five? Maybe last year they picked Rutgers to have the season they had or maybe they picked Wake Forest to play for the ACC championship? You appear to be the type of guy that watches ESPN and Vegas odds to make your predictions for the season.
The Canes could have been a contender this year IF things clicked. No one knew what the Canes would do at the start of the season. Randy could have sparked a smoldering flame or they could come out playing as bad as last year. Honestly, I've seen spurts of both. If you are going to sit there and pound your chest like you are Mr. Football and say that you knew this is exactly the performance you expected from the Canes this year, before season start, then I say, GO BY A LOTTERY TICKET GENIUS!!
Wow. Superfan is Touchy. Must be that time of the month.

My point was Vegas, experts, etc.*usually* give a good indication. Sure you shouldn't base your opionion solely on that. Sure there are anomalies, exceptions like the ones you named. But that doesn't mean you should live your life a dreamer basing your opinion solely on anomalies like you apparently do.

The Canes were never going to be a NC contender this year. I figured them for 3-4 losses, OU, VTech, GTech, FSU, and BC being likely as well as a random ACC letdown. The spurts you've seen have been against lackluster competition and always accompanied by equally lethargic play. Similar to the probation years.

You may not like hearing it but that's the reality of it sweetheart.
sumtercane

Kissimmee, FL

#48 Oct 11, 2007
AND, I was comparing the late nineties records to explain my argument. No one thought the Canes would be fighting for a NC in 2000. They were getting better but no one knew for sure. They found Dorsey and Abracadabra!!!! The Canes were robbed of a NC in 2000 (JUst in case you don't understand, that was when the Canes beat FSU in the regular season but lost to Washington in Dorsey's first away game-and they let FSU play Oklahoma in the ORANGE BOWL for the NC.) Then of course they won in 2001 and was again robbed in 2002 (Ohio ST. Controversial call). To ask if "I've paid attention to Cane football" the answer is YES, SINCE I was NINE-27 YEARS AGO!

SAY SOMETHING!!! BRING IT!!!
sumtercane

Kissimmee, FL

#49 Oct 11, 2007
THE BIRD wrote:
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Wow. Superfan is Touchy. Must be that time of the month.
My point was Vegas, experts, etc.*usually* give a good indication. Sure you shouldn't base your opionion solely on that. Sure there are anomalies, exceptions like the ones you named. But that doesn't mean you should live your life a dreamer basing your opinion solely on anomalies like you apparently do.
The Canes were never going to be a NC contender this year. I figured them for 3-4 losses, OU, VTech, GTech, FSU, and BC being likely as well as a random ACC letdown. The spurts you've seen have been against lackluster competition and always accompanied by equally lethargic play. Similar to the probation years.
You may not like hearing it but that's the reality of it sweetheart.
I guess thats why they call them opinions. I still say even with the lackluster performances, we beat GT, VT, and FSU. I agree with OU and BC. OU, at beginning of season if you remember had new coaches and players as well, granted they didn't lose Stoops. They did lose Peterson. They turned out to be impressive, hats off to them. I still say that it is not an anomaly or act of God for me to believe that every year, my team can't win the NC. That is just being a football fan and it can happen because thats football!
THE BIRD

United States

#50 Oct 11, 2007
sumtercane wrote:
AND, I was comparing the late nineties records to explain my argument. No one thought the Canes would be fighting for a NC in 2000. They were getting better but no one knew for sure. They found Dorsey and Abracadabra!!!! The Canes were robbed of a NC in 2000 (JUst in case you don't understand, that was when the Canes beat FSU in the regular season but lost to Washington in Dorsey's first away game-and they let FSU play Oklahoma in the ORANGE BOWL for the NC.) Then of course they won in 2001 and was again robbed in 2002 (Ohio ST. Controversial call). To ask if "I've paid attention to Cane football" the answer is YES, SINCE I was NINE-27 YEARS AGO!
SAY SOMETHING!!! BRING IT!!!
Like I said, 2000 is no comparison. We had an established coaching staff. We had a stable of veteran players returning and a solid QB. Weapons all over the place. Things were on the rise.

There were none of those indications this year. Say that out loud if you have to. N-O-N-E. So why compare to 2000? Again, it's nice to hope but give things some thought every once in a while you might surprise yourself.
THE BIRD

United States

#51 Oct 11, 2007
sumtercane wrote:
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I guess thats why they call them opinions. I still say even with the lackluster performances, we beat GT, VT, and FSU. I agree with OU and BC. OU, at beginning of season if you remember had new coaches and players as well, granted they didn't lose Stoops. They did lose Peterson. They turned out to be impressive, hats off to them. I still say that it is not an anomaly or act of God for me to believe that every year, my team can't win the NC. That is just being a football fan and it can happen because thats football!
Now you're comparing '07 Miami and '07 OU? Wow just wow. I love it.

You may have been following football since you were 9 but you still have a 9-year old's mentality level.

It is difficult enough to make it to the NC game, and once you get there you will only win about half of those.

Reasonable college football fans know this to be true. But go ahead and begin every season expecting an NC talking it up at preseason tupperware parties with your Superfan crew, whatever floats your boat.

“Yes, it's Steve”

Since: Jun 07

Wellington

#52 Oct 11, 2007
sumtercane wrote:
AND, I was comparing the late nineties records to explain my argument. No one thought the Canes would be fighting for a NC in 2000. They were getting better but no one knew for sure. They found Dorsey and Abracadabra!!!! The Canes were robbed of a NC in 2000 (JUst in case you don't understand, that was when the Canes beat FSU in the regular season but lost to Washington in Dorsey's first away game-and they let FSU play Oklahoma in the ORANGE BOWL for the NC.) Then of course they won in 2001 and was again robbed in 2002 (Ohio ST. Controversial call). To ask if "I've paid attention to Cane football" the answer is YES, SINCE I was NINE-27 YEARS AGO!
SAY SOMETHING!!! BRING IT!!!
2002 robbed by a controversial call? Why not mention all the screwups prior to that call that would have won the game?

It always seems to be the refs that cause a loss, not the players or the coaching calls.
sumtercane

Kissimmee, FL

#53 Oct 12, 2007
Steve in Wellington wrote:
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2002 robbed by a controversial call? Why not mention all the screwups prior to that call that would have won the game?
It always seems to be the refs that cause a loss, not the players or the coaching calls.
O.K., How about an ineligible Maurice "prisonboy" Claurett. He wasn't even suppose to play in the game. Granted, UM made SOME mistakes but when you give a team chance after chance with ridiculous penalties that would have been proven to be garbage with todays replay system, then I say yes, the refs did hold alot of the blame in that game especially since THAT ONE CALL cost them the game.
sumtercane

Kissimmee, FL

#54 Oct 12, 2007
THE BIRD wrote:
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Now you're comparing '07 Miami and '07 OU? Wow just wow. I love it.
You may have been following football since you were 9 but you still have a 9-year old's mentality level.
It is difficult enough to make it to the NC game, and once you get there you will only win about half of those.
Reasonable college football fans know this to be true. But go ahead and begin every season expecting an NC talking it up at preseason tupperware parties with your Superfan crew, whatever floats your boat.
Your obviously going to continue avoid my points to make yours. THE POINT WAS NOT ABOUT THE 2000 SEASON. It was about how the Canes looked in 98-99. No one thought they would be an NC contender in 2000.

Anyway, I'm through talking to you or trying to make my point which is my opinion that you obviously are not in agreement with. I'm not claiming to be a football genius like yourself, but I've played and coached the game. I am a more "Anything can happen guy" while you appear to go on past stats and records. I tell my players every year that football is 90% heart and mental while 10% is physical. I believe in that. No matter how great a team is, win its game time, it comes down to who wants it most. That has been proven on a week to week basis with all of these upsets in the NCAA.

“Yes, it's Steve”

Since: Jun 07

Wellington

#55 Oct 12, 2007
sumtercane wrote:
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O.K., How about an ineligible Maurice "prisonboy" Claurett. He wasn't even suppose to play in the game. Granted, UM made SOME mistakes but when you give a team chance after chance with ridiculous penalties that would have been proven to be garbage with todays replay system, then I say yes, the refs did hold alot of the blame in that game especially since THAT ONE CALL cost them the game.
I think it was bad coaching and from ESPN:
"Dorsey was sacked four times, was pressured twice that many times, fumbled once, threw two interceptions, was knocked silly in the second overtime, threw wide on a sure TD in that same OT, and couldn't do a thing on the final play of the game."
ken

Miami, FL

#56 Oct 12, 2007
Steve in Wellington wrote:
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2002 robbed by a controversial call? Why not mention all the screwups prior to that call that would have won the game?
It always seems to be the refs that cause a loss, not the players or the coaching calls.
Steve come on....you know they were robbed on that call!! You may hate the canes but come on!!
THE BIRD

United States

#57 Oct 12, 2007
sumtercane wrote:
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Your obviously going to continue avoid my points to make yours. THE POINT WAS NOT ABOUT THE 2000 SEASON. It was about how the Canes looked in 98-99. No one thought they would be an NC contender in 2000.
Anyway, I'm through talking to you or trying to make my point which is my opinion that you obviously are not in agreement with. I'm not claiming to be a football genius like yourself, but I've played and coached the game. I am a more "Anything can happen guy" while you appear to go on past stats and records. I tell my players every year that football is 90% heart and mental while 10% is physical. I believe in that. No matter how great a team is, win its game time, it comes down to who wants it most. That has been proven on a week to week basis with all of these upsets in the NCAA.
Notice how none of those upsets involve the '07 Canes, and that is the team we are talking about here.

If you told your kids the difference between the '07 Canes and the '99 Canes is 90% mental the kids would rightly laugh you off the field. Appropriate, though, considering this article is about trusting coaching staffs. What trust are you building blowing sunshine?

Again, whatever floats your boat.

“Yes, it's Steve”

Since: Jun 07

Wellington

#58 Oct 12, 2007
ken wrote:
<quoted text> Steve come on....you know they were robbed on that call!! You may hate the canes but come on!!
The "bad call" was only the last play that caused the loss, bad coaching and bad QB was what forced the game into OT in the first place. Eliminate the bad coaching and the Dorsey screw ups and you win in regulation. Too easy to blame the ref for something that should never even had a chance to occur.
sumtercane

Kissimmee, FL

#59 Oct 12, 2007
Steve in Wellington wrote:
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The "bad call" was only the last play that caused the loss, bad coaching and bad QB was what forced the game into OT in the first place. Eliminate the bad coaching and the Dorsey screw ups and you win in regulation. Too easy to blame the ref for something that should never even had a chance to occur.
Steve, you are absolutely correct. That Hurricanes team was way to talented for that game to have even went to overtime.
sumtercane

Kissimmee, FL

#60 Oct 12, 2007
THE BIRD wrote:
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Notice how none of those upsets involve the '07 Canes, and that is the team we are talking about here.
If you told your kids the difference between the '07 Canes and the '99 Canes is 90% mental the kids would rightly laugh you off the field. Appropriate, though, considering this article is about trusting coaching staffs. What trust are you building blowing sunshine?
Again, whatever floats your boat.
Avoiding point,..... AGAIN!!!!!!

WHATEVER FLOATS YOUR BOAT!

I'm so secure in my feelings now that you know me so much better than me.
THE BIRD

United States

#61 Oct 15, 2007
sumtercane wrote:
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Avoiding point,..... AGAIN!!!!!!
WHATEVER FLOATS YOUR BOAT!
I'm so secure in my feelings now that you know me so much better than me.
The 'Canes have now had their third loss, yet I'm the one "avoiding the point" because I considered an '07 National Title unrealistic.

Superfan, I love it!
THE BIRD

United States

#62 Oct 15, 2007
sumtercane wrote:
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I guess thats why they call them opinions. I still say even with the lackluster performances, we beat GT, VT, and FSU.
GTech 17
UM 14

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