Butler basketball's road resume to get test at Southern Illinois

One reason Butler has earned respect in college basketball is success on the road. Full Story
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Staxawax

Indianapolis, IN

#1 Dec 28, 2007
One thing David didn't mention........ this game will be on ESPNU.

“Butler Wins”

Since: Jan 07

Plainfield

#2 Dec 28, 2007
Tough one tonight.
I'm glad David pointed out what I've seen with the Dawgs since they left Alaska. They're not firing on all cilinders. Hopefully that changes tonight against SIU.
If Butler gets things going on offense they can play with and beat anybody. If they don't it could be a long night for them in Illinois.
As far as being tied for the best road record in the country. It's not like my Dawgs have a choice. Virtually no one wants to come to our house to play. It's either their house, neutral court or nothing.
Heck, the big three in this state wanted no part of the Dawgs at all this year. I'll be interested to see how fast they'll be lining up next year after we lose five seniors.
Anyway, got off track.
Go Dawgs! Get that motor running! Beat SIU!!!!!!!!
Peasant

Avon, IN

#3 Dec 28, 2007
Bulldog Fan Todd wrote:
If Butler gets things going on offense they can play with and beat anybody.
I love Butler, but this just not true. You might want to watch a little top ten college basketball.
Hoosier Fan

Lafayette, IN

#4 Dec 28, 2007
Bulldog Fan Todd wrote:
Tough one tonight.
I'm glad David pointed out what I've seen with the Dawgs since they left Alaska. They're not firing on all cilinders. Hopefully that changes tonight against SIU.
If Butler gets things going on offense they can play with and beat anybody. If they don't it could be a long night for them in Illinois.
As far as being tied for the best road record in the country. It's not like my Dawgs have a choice. Virtually no one wants to come to our house to play. It's either their house, neutral court or nothing.
Heck, the big three in this state wanted no part of the Dawgs at all this year. I'll be interested to see how fast they'll be lining up next year after we lose five seniors.
Anyway, got off track.
Go Dawgs! Get that motor running! Beat SIU!!!!!!!!
While I am not a Butler hater, I get tired of hearing how all the in-state schools are "scared" to play them and how other schools won't play at Hinkle.

You all neeed to get a grip as you have no basis or fact on why Butler is not playing them.

It actually "just might be" that there were scheduling conflicts, etc., etc., etc., but not a one of you really knows why.

Don't make yourself or your team feel better acting like all the other schools are scared to play you, that is ridiculous.
BU Season Ticket Holder

Orestes, IN

#5 Dec 28, 2007
Peasant wrote:
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I love Butler, but this just not true. You might want to watch a little top ten college basketball.
I would have to disagree. After Memphis, Kansas, and UNC there is a drop off. I know the Dawgs can play with anyone in the country. Please rewind to last years sweet 16 when they were leading the 2 time National Champs with 2:30 remaining on the clock. I'll remind you that the Gators had 3- 7 footers and 3 NBA lottery picks and this years team is better than last years. I think the Dawgs will beat them tonight. I initially thought this would be an L in the books but I have watched SIU 3 times this year and last years team was alot better. Good luck Dawgs, win or lose it will be a good game.
Stevens----get Jukes on the floor-you will need him in the Big Dance.
The Vinrod

United States

#6 Dec 28, 2007
Myself and quite a few others are heading to Carbondale for this game. Hope there are plenty of Butler faithful on hand. This could be the catalyst for an excellent rivalry between two great teams.

For those who can't make it, tune into ESPNU at 9 to see some great basketball on both ends of the court.

Go DAWGS!
Haha

Indianapolis, IN

#7 Dec 28, 2007
Peasant wrote:
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I love Butler, but this just not true. You might want to watch a little top ten college basketball.
One of the dumbest posts I've seen in a very long time.
Mike

Myrtle Beach, SC

#8 Dec 28, 2007
Considering that the last time any one of Indiana's "Big Three" came to visit Hinkle was 1995 (when Notre Dame lost there), I don't think it's scheduling conflicts that are stopping them from visiting. IU's last visit was a loss with Damon Bailey, Alan Henderson and Todd Leary back in 1993. Purdue last visited in 1991, when the Boilers pulled out a 76-70 win. Maybe this year the schedules wouldn't line up, but for the last 12?
Steve Crenshaw

Mesquite, TX

#9 Dec 28, 2007
Hoosier Fan wrote:
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While I am not a Butler hater, I get tired of hearing how all the in-state schools are "scared" to play them and how other schools won't play at Hinkle.
You all neeed to get a grip as you have no basis or fact on why Butler is not playing them.
It actually "just might be" that there were scheduling conflicts, etc., etc., etc., but not a one of you really knows why.
Don't make yourself or your team feel better acting like all the other schools are scared to play you, that is ridiculous.
Hoosier Fan, I mean blow heart! What channel is your footbal team on for the bowl game they are supposedly playing in? Let me help you, it is the Kindergarden College Network! I really doubt anyone is afraid to play your schedule or your team. Get a grip on reality!
Lets go Hoosiers

United States

#10 Dec 28, 2007
Staxawax wrote:
One thing David didn't mention........ this game will be on ESPNU.
Thanks. I love to watch Butler and this should be a good tough game.

We got them pretty good earlier this year, but if I remember correctly they were without one of their best scorers. Not sure if that is still the case or not, but they have beaten some really good teams there over the past few years.

As always, though, if Butler is hitting 3s at a 45-50% clip SIU will be in some trouble. I expect them to try and take away the perimeter game, but its really tough with that pick and step back that Graves has mastered. If he is hitting that deep three behind that shield-screen he is nearly impossible to stop. You will probably see a 3-2 zone from SIU to open the game and Butler will at least need to try and establish an inside game to counter.

Should be a dawg-fight (pun intended) to the end...

BU 62
SIU 59
Mike

Lafayette, IN

#11 Dec 28, 2007
Steve Crenshaw wrote:
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Hoosier Fan, I mean blow heart! What channel is your footbal team on for the bowl game they are supposedly playing in? Let me help you, it is the Kindergarden College Network! I really doubt anyone is afraid to play your schedule or your team. Get a grip on reality!
You are one smart person. Uh, we are talking basketball here.

I would perceive that I hit a good point since you cannot even respond to it and have to take evasive action and bring on football. Oh, by the way, is Butler even playing in a bowl game since you brought up the subject? Do they even have a football team?

Good job, moron. I thought Butler provided a much better education than that! Let's try responding with something that would support your differing opinion and supports your team instead of attacking a point that is not a part of the discussion. Please don't show your ignorance any more!
Batter Up

United States

#12 Dec 28, 2007
Hoosier Fan wrote:
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While I am not a Butler hater, I get tired of hearing how all the in-state schools are "scared" to play them and how other schools won't play at Hinkle.
You all neeed to get a grip as you have no basis or fact on why Butler is not playing them.

It actually "just might be" that there were scheduling conflicts, etc., etc., etc., but not a one of you really knows why.
Don't make yourself or your team feel better acting like all the other schools are scared to play you, that is ridiculous.
This post just shows what a clueless bunch the Loosiers have rooting for them. If you had any idea of how college basketball works you would realize that the big schools want nothing to do with going into the small conference team's home gyms. The small guys chase them for games all the time and get rejected. If they do agree to play it will be on their home floor at a time that is convenient for them, or, a neutral site at best...never on the road. Mike Davis was the only one with the nads to do it and he was heavily criticized for it from the IU "fan" base.

You need to step away from your computer, trim up that mullet, wash your red satin Indiana jacket and join the rest of the college basketball fans here in 2007. IU is not king anymore and they haven't been for quite sometime. They are an average Big Ten program with outdated facilities. You've hung your hat on a coach that will have you all on probation in another year or two and your latest "greatest ever" will be in an NBA uniform in about 7 months.

GO DOGS!!
Hoosier Fan

Lafayette, IN

#13 Dec 28, 2007
Batter Up wrote:
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This post just shows what a clueless bunch the Loosiers have rooting for them. If you had any idea of how college basketball works you would realize that the big schools want nothing to do with going into the small conference team's home gyms. The small guys chase them for games all the time and get rejected. If they do agree to play it will be on their home floor at a time that is convenient for them, or, a neutral site at best...never on the road. Mike Davis was the only one with the nads to do it and he was heavily criticized for it from the IU "fan" base.
You need to step away from your computer, trim up that mullet, wash your red satin Indiana jacket and join the rest of the college basketball fans here in 2007. IU is not king anymore and they haven't been for quite sometime. They are an average Big Ten program with outdated facilities. You've hung your hat on a coach that will have you all on probation in another year or two and your latest "greatest ever" will be in an NBA uniform in about 7 months.
GO DOGS!!
I am still trying to figure out how your response really addresses my comments and seemingly ignores that fact that my original post said I was not a BU hater.

IU plays cupcakes every year remember (read all the other PU and BU posts). Unfortunately, BU plays cupcakes preseason and regular season.

Just another example of apparent Butler fans who apparently know it all. Ya'all so smart!

You know Butler chases them all the time because you are a member of the athletic department at Butler? Or is it really just another example of a fan who has nothing to base his opinion on so just makes fun of the other school since I never insinuated in any way the IU was a great program.

Apparent jealousy at it's finest or just small minded respondents!!
Lets go Hoosiers

United States

#14 Dec 28, 2007
Steve Crenshaw wrote:
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Hoosier Fan, I mean blow heart! What channel is your footbal team on for the bowl game they are supposedly playing in? Let me help you, it is the Kindergarden College Network! I really doubt anyone is afraid to play your schedule or your team. Get a grip on reality!
As I just mentioned, I love to watch Butler play and they are a very good team. But for any Butler fan to even try and talk college football to ANY Big Ten team is a bad angle to take to express your point. No one even knows Butler has a football team. I bet Butler fans cant even name one guy on the team and have never seen a play if you werent actually one of the 500 people at the game. IU had 3 All-Americans and the national leader in sacks. Please stick to basketball.

FYI......the game is on the NFL Network & FOX. And its Kindergarten. Its not a garden of children.
Hoosier Fan

Lafayette, IN

#15 Dec 28, 2007
By the way, Batter Up, your'e dismissed.
Steve Crenshaw

Mesquite, TX

#16 Dec 28, 2007
Mike wrote:
<quoted text>
You are one smart person. Uh, we are talking basketball here.
I would perceive that I hit a good point since you cannot even respond to it and have to take evasive action and bring on football. Oh, by the way, is Butler even playing in a bowl game since you brought up the subject? Do they even have a football team?
Good job, moron. I thought Butler provided a much better education than that! Let's try responding with something that would support your differing opinion and supports your team instead of attacking a point that is not a part of the discussion. Please don't show your ignorance any more!
Hey Mike, did we hit a touchy subject! I guess it would the lack of respect IU get's nationally. Good luck playing for (12) next year.
BU Season Ticket Holder

Orestes, IN

#17 Dec 28, 2007
Enough already with the bickering. The IU guy wasn't bashing the program, he was just stating an opinion. There is no need to talk about football or start the whole childish "my program is better than your" forum. I did challenge the IU guys assertion with facts and that was the end of that. Lets try to keep this discussion at an adult level for a change.
Lets go Hoosiers

United States

#18 Dec 28, 2007
Batter Up wrote:
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This post just shows what a clueless bunch the Loosiers have rooting for them. If you had any idea of how college basketball works you would realize that the big schools want nothing to do with going into the small conference team's home gyms. The small guys chase them for games all the time and get rejected. If they do agree to play it will be on their home floor at a time that is convenient for them, or, a neutral site at best...never on the road. Mike Davis was the only one with the nads to do it and he was heavily criticized for it from the IU "fan" base.
You need to step away from your computer, trim up that mullet, wash your red satin Indiana jacket and join the rest of the college basketball fans here in 2007. IU is not king anymore and they haven't been for quite sometime. They are an average Big Ten program with outdated facilities. You've hung your hat on a coach that will have you all on probation in another year or two and your latest "greatest ever" will be in an NBA uniform in about 7 months.
GO DOGS!!
That is the difference between a "high major" program and a "mid-major" program. At the end of the year when seeding for the tourney comes around its almost all about your RPI. SOS is a big part of the RPI. Naturally, "mid-majors" have to play tougher competition in the pre-conference because their in-conference sked is not nearly as competetive as "high-major" in-conference skeds. So it makes no sense to send your team into a hostile environment if you dont have to. You can "make" the mid-major come to you because they have to if they want to have the RPI to get them into the tourney. Big schools have all the leverage and always will in the current system.

So you are definitely correct that IU, for instance, would be hesitant to go into Hinkle, but it's not because they are "scared". Its because you need a game against IU far more than IU needs a game against you. While you are busy playing Florida Gulf Coast in conference we are playing Michigan St. Big Big difference in the eyes of the selection committee. You have to give it to Butler, though. They rarely turn down a tough pre-con tournament. They do what they have to do to put themselves in position to get a good seed in March.
Undisputed truth

Greenwood, IN

#19 Dec 28, 2007
Bulldog Fan Todd wrote:
IF Butler gets things going on offense they can play with and beat anybody.
That is a huge IF. The loss of Pete Campbell to that knee injury in the Ohio State game has had a profound impact of the team. IF(another huge IF) he can return to his pre-injury form, then your comment has merit. Otherwise, the DAWGS are merely another above average team.

The loss of Brandon Crone and Brian Ligon to graduation left some big gaps in the offense too. Crone was the glue that kept the team on track with his grit and consistancy at both ends of the floor, and we are beginning to see what his presence really meant now that he's no longer around.

As good as the guards are, the team needs a consistant outside shooter on the wing as well as an even stronger presence underneath to get this team into a position to make some noise at the big dance in March.

I really enjoy watching the DAWGS play and hope they can get things untracked in the weeks to come.
ESPN Denver

AOL

#20 Dec 28, 2007
Peasant wrote:
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I love Butler, but this just not true. You might want to watch a little top ten college basketball.
HELLO...I watch plenty of Top Ten teams and BUTLER can and does PLAY/BEAT MOST of them. Take a look at the last 10+ years genuis and given their very limited resources it's nothing short of amazing!!! Itty Bitty BUTLER is the
best program in pitiful Indiana....

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