Athlete's father sues over penalty

Full story: Chicago Tribune

The father of a Lockport football player and nationally-ranked wrestler has sued to overturn a high school's decision to ban his son from competing this year.
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GARY VARGAS

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Dec 14, 2007
 
HERE'S ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF AUTHORITY OVER STEPPING IT'S BOUNDS. IT DIDN'T HAPPEN ON SCHOOL GRONDS IT'S NONE OF THERE BUSINESS
Bill

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Dec 14, 2007
 
Another case of overreaction
mimi 0f 4

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Dec 14, 2007
 
Rules apply to everyone! Not just the chosen few, I live near this school, and I am proud of the school for taking this stand, at our school we sign a pledge, a code of conduct, but it is only held if you are not a star! The parents are just upset about college scholar ships, we are talking 3 times this kid has violated the rules! If they over turn this, what about all the other kids WHO DO FOLLOW the rules? This is so silly, what this parent needs is to be counter sued for not following the rules! It is a guide line that ALL kids follow, except for the super star atheles? grrrrrrrrr this what is wrong with the kids today...Oh honey we will get a lawyer that can't tell us what to do...even tho they rules they don't apply to us, we are super stars!
Simon Says

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Dec 14, 2007
 
When I played sports in HS, and also when my children did, we signed a sort of contract that said we would not drink, smoke, use drugs, etc.. This individual has been caught two other times and now, having been caught again, he has been punished. Too bad!

When do you start holding people responsible for their actions? The father said he could have gone to a bigger school on a scholarship but since this they have quit recruiting him. Maybe he should have followed the rules.

I also believe the legal smoking age is 18, so it's okay that he broke the law?

Look, I understand that people, including kids make mistakes and I'm also not opposed to giving people second chances, but this was his third strike.

Sometimes life lessons are hard and don't seem fair, but when you break the rules you pay the price and I'm sure he knew exactly what the rules were. Also his father stating that they are picking him out because he's a great athlete is a crock. Him being a former teacher I can't believe how ignorant he is being.

It wouldn't have bothered me if he received no scholarship offers now, when you don't follow the rules you pay the price...maybe next time you will follow them.

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Dec 14, 2007
 
I'm with Mimi, training rules are that, and if the kid chose to break them, he's gotta live with the consequences.
Agree with the Lawyer

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Dec 14, 2007
 
If this kid was off of school property, then the school has no jurisdiction unless there is some morals clause in the kids contract <sarcasm>

He was "inside" a car, off school property - period.

Schools have anti-profanity rules too, but they are not enforceable in the kid's house or while he's at the grocery store.
mimi 0f 4

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Dec 14, 2007
 
Agree with the Lawyer wrote:
If this kid was off of school property, then the school has no jurisdiction unless there is some morals clause in the kids contract <sarcasm>
He was "inside" a car, off school property - period.
Schools have anti-profanity rules too, but they are not enforceable in the kid's house or while he's at the grocery store.
AND this is where you are wrong!
If you think that the school would not be responsible for this CHILDs health bill if he got hurt while attending or playing in one of their sports practice or games, so there for they must have a set of guide lines for the kids to adhere to....in the this 'contract' it states that these children will NOT smoke or do drugs period, on or off the field. Smoking while very popular in your state, is against the law for any one under 18 and it is against the law to do it any where on school grounds period, zero tolerance is just that zero and I do believe the article said he had 3 times been caught! Oh but because he is a super star please forgive him???? Give the kid a break,???
WHAT about all the kids who DO follow the rules? WHAT are we teaching them, rich people will get off with the smazy lawyers? SHAME on the dad, grow up!
Jim

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Dec 14, 2007
 
Does Lucas Roth put his heart and soul into his sports? Is he a serious student, learning all he can while in school? Then why is it necessary for the school to micro manage his personal life? Kudos to him for standing up to the Lockport chapter of the "New World Order". If America is to survive as a free country, we need a lot more Lucas and Michael Roths and a lot less obsessive control fanatics.
Jerry

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Dec 14, 2007
 
An athletic code violation is an athletic code violation. The kid knew what he was signing. The kid can't proclaim he didn't know. I'm sure he was well informed of what would happen if he violated a second, third, and any other times.

The dad is just trying to coddle his son, not letting him grow up and face the cosequences of his actions!
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Dec 14, 2007
 
Rules are rules. It doesn't matter where he broke the rules. The rules don't state you can't drink on campus but you can off or you can't smoke on campus but you can off. It says you can't do it period. He broke the rules. Whats the problem. He thought he was bigger than the rules. Wrong. Now he is stuck going to NIU. Now thats punishment.
ShaheensAnIdiot

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Dec 14, 2007
 
Agree with the Lawyer wrote:
Schools have anti-profanity rules too, but they are not enforceable in the kid's house or while he's at the grocery store.
You haven't been in a high school recently, have you? The anti-profanity rules are not enforced in the schools, let alone off school property. I say he should get a second chance. If he blows it again, too bad.
Read the rules

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Dec 14, 2007
 
The code of conduct at Lockport actually says "school grounds":

Tobacco: Possession, sale, purchase, and/or use of cigarettes, chewing tobacco, and “lookalike” tobacco products. Students are not to be in the possession of, or use tobacco on or in visible sight of either school
grounds or school sponsored activities.

So unless this kid was smoking on school grounds, near school grounds or at a school sponsored event the school is in the wrong this time. He's only got 2 strikes against him and the parent's actually have a case.
Simon Says

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Dec 14, 2007
 
Jim wrote:
Does Lucas Roth put his heart and soul into his sports? Is he a serious student, learning all he can while in school? Then why is it necessary for the school to micro manage his personal life? Kudos to him for standing up to the Lockport chapter of the "New World Order". If America is to survive as a free country, we need a lot more Lucas and Michael Roths and a lot less obsessive control fanatics.
He obviously is not learning all that he can in school or he would have learned what the punishment is for breaking the rules!

This "new world order" that you speak about? It's been this way for a very long time when it comes to HS athletics.

What gets me with the people defending this individual is you're the same people who would be blaming the school if he died of cancer and the school knew he was smoking.

When he signed the athletic code of conduct he agreed to abide by the rules, choosing not to abide by the rules three times resulted in his punishment, how is that not fair?
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Dec 14, 2007
 
I'm not defending the kid for being stupid and putting tobacco into his body. I am however, defending him against an overzealous school district overstepping their jurisdiction.
Jim

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Dec 14, 2007
 
Simon Says wrote:
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He obviously is not learning all that he can in school or he would have learned what the punishment is for breaking the rules!
Just because he is civily disobedient with rules that he feels is wrong does not mean he is not a serious student.
This "new world order" that you speak about? It's been this way for a very long time when it comes to HS athletics.
The United Nations and the World Health Organization et al have lately been on a rampage to restrict or eliminate personal freedoms in the name of "health", but it's more like "control" of the world population. Smoking is one of them.
What gets me with the people defending this individual is you're the same people who would be blaming the school if he died of cancer and the school knew he was smoking.
Reckless accusation. You have no idea who I would blame if he died of cancer.
When he signed the athletic code of conduct he agreed to abide by the rules, choosing not to abide by the rules three times resulted in his punishment, how is that not fair?
You should have used periods where you used commas. If you would have focused more on learning while you were in school instead of worrying about rules, you would have known that.
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Dec 14, 2007
 
Really? You would want your daughter to date a kid that smokes, which is also illegal, and to risk the activities that he loves for a cig?

The rules were clear, he broke the rules, and there are consequences. Perhaps his good character could use some tweaking. Being suspended is meant to deter poor behavior and then if that does not work, it gives kids another chance to develop better character that he must not have had in the first place.

Deal with the consequences of your son's stupid action. Did he get in trouble for using tobacco and ruining his scholarship chances? I wonder
Strong Father

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#17
Dec 14, 2007
 
IT IS THE SCHOOLS BUSINESS if he is wearing the school's uniform. If he does not want to wear the uniform then go wrestle as an "independent". He represents all of the school's students so he should be punished. If he wants to do his own thing then don't wear the uniform. Whoever you represent (your family, your school, your community, your country) has a right to require you to live up to a certain standard. If you don't like the standard then don't sign up to represent.
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Dec 14, 2007
 
Lucas Roth played football with my son and he is a tremendous athlete. I feel that the coach overstepped his boundary since Lucas was NOT on school property and was NOT stopped by a law enforcement agent for the third incident.

I support Lucas Roth and hope that LTHS learns that it's the parents' job to raise their children. If the incident had happened on school property, at a school function, or involved the police I would feel differently.

Kids will be kids and MOST of us have done stupid things we regret. Our parents handled it and the school stayed out of it unless it happened at school or at a school function. That's the way it should be!!
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Dec 14, 2007
 
Jim wrote:
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Just because he is civily disobedient with rules that he feels is wrong does not mean he is not a serious student.

You were alluding to giving him special consideration because he's a good student. Rules should be the same for everyone.

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The United Nations and the World Health Organization et al have lately been on a rampage to restrict or eliminate personal freedoms in the name of "health", but it's more like "control" of the world population. Smoking is one of them.

Let's see, smoking has been proven to be harmful to people's health. The legal smoking age is 18. So he's breaking the law and one of the rules of the school to remain eligible to play sports but the problem is a “control” issue by the U.N. and WHO? That’s a real stretch there Sparky.

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Reckless accusation. You have no idea who I would blame if he died of cancer.

I wasn't speaking to you directly just the mentality of most people in general.

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You should have used periods where you used commas. If you would have focused more on learning while you were in school instead of worrying about rules, you would have known that.
I'm sorry my punctuation is not up to your standards; maybe if more people paid attention to the rules we wouldn't have people looking for third chances when they've screwed up twice before. Also before commenting on others’ punctuation maybe you should check your spelling,(civily) or your verb usage,(would have).
Fred

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Dec 20, 2007
 
Playing sports at the high school level is a priveldge, not a right. He knew the rules before hand and was told what the next offense would be. Why didn't the father fight the rule before he got caught? They knew the rules and the kid chose to break them. As far as a second chance, he's already had three chances, you're out! I would bet that in this day and age all schools have a three strike policy.

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