Recruiting to blame for Terps' recent woes?

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Playing in the National Invitation Tournament three out of four years might escape criticism at universities with modest athletic ambitions and less than rabid men's basketball fans.
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Rich

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#21
Mar 17, 2008
 
Anti Gary wrote:
<quoted text>YOU ARE A JOKE. GARY WILLIAMS CAN'T COACH. YOUR TEAM IS IN THE NIT AGAIN. STOP BRINGING UP ENTRANCE SCORES AND MAKING OTHER EXCUSES. YOU ARE A COWARD AND YOUR OPINIONS MEAN NOTHING BECAUSE YOU ARE A HILLBILLY!
When you can tell me what was not factual in that post I'll take you seriously.Look Jimmy I'm sorry Gary wouldn't give you look,but if it makes you feel better calling people names,have it.Your hero John Thompson wouldn't be proud of you though.Would my opinions mean something if I used all caps?
chris

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#22
Mar 17, 2008
 
When all other coaches are out recruiting players during the summer, Gary is playing golf. He is just lazy.
Jeff

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#23
Mar 17, 2008
 
The fact that Dave Neal sees the court at crucial moments in many ball games says everything you need to know about the talent level on this team. I love Gary and think he is a great coach but he has really done himself a great disservice when it comes to recruiting. The Terps need to start getting some of the blue chip recruits out of Baltimore/D.C. rather than the middle of the road recruits that we have been getting. Sean Mosely is a good start. I really hope Gary can get it turned around but he really needs to start upgrading the talent level on his team.
BBallFan4Life

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#24
Mar 17, 2008
 
The late-season demise provided the profoundist statement on this team, rather than anything said in message board missives and from ESPN pundits.

All year this team displayed a quixotic sense of self, exemplified by a win at number one North Carolina coupled with losses to Ohio U at home in December.

Finally the mask was undone.

In perhaps the watershed moment of the year, Maryland wilted in the 2nd half against Clemson at home. Confidence shattered, the Terps regressed back to the same team that lost to American and Ohio U earlier in the year.
Mike

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#25
Mar 17, 2008
 
I see that Syracuse is in the NIT, AGAIN! Are people calling for Boeheim to go? This is just a low period in the program. And to the guy who said winning a national championship doesnt matter...what are you smoking? I dont even want to give this thread legitimacy, but I couldnt let all these comments go. Who do you guys think should replace Gary? There arent exactly alot of national championship coaches out there. Gary got us to the championship before and I think he will get us back again.
BBallFan4Life

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#26
Mar 17, 2008
 
Mike,

"This is just a low period in the program."

So if the Terps earn NIT bids in five out of the next seven years, will you still be raving about Gary Williams?

You're starting to sound as delusional as George Bush, who thinks the economy is not in recession.
B-more boy

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#27
Mar 17, 2008
 
a yo, Anti Gary, I just got off the phone with Gary Williams and he told me to tell you to get off his Nutz!!!
Steve

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#28
Mar 17, 2008
 
Maryland is a school that should be a mainstay in the NCAA each year. This year's team just like the past few years have been Dr. Jekyll & Mr. Hyde. Gary needs to do a better job of recruiting the local talent in Baltimore and get a greater understanding of today's athlete. I think that Maryland must start a succession plan in its coaching. Its amazing how the women's program has been consistently good since Weller left the program and she was a mainstay just like Gary. Gary has done the program some good but he's been here for almost 20 years.
Ryan

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#29
Mar 17, 2008
 
rickterp wrote:
Recruited Roger Mason too late? Good Council is only 10 miles from campus and Mason led all DC area scorers. AS A JUNIOR!! How is it that UMD recruited him late? Pathetic. The day Billy Hahn left was the day the program died.
Same ol crap!! We will be talking about the same ol crap this time next year as well.
Recruited Mason too late...who cares. How'd UVA do while he was there??? I do agree the loss of Billy Hahn, and then Patsos has been the real key to recent mediocrity.
Ryan

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#30
Mar 17, 2008
 
andre harrell wrote:
THERE ARE ALOT MORE BALTIMORE BASED BALL PLAYERS TOO...FOR INSTANCE, MARK KARCHER, MICHEAL LLOYD, DONTE BRIGHT,SHAWNTA ROGERS, CHESTER FRAZIER, REGGIE BRYANT,KEITH JENNIFER, TODD GALLOWAY, DONTE GREENE, JOHNNY HEMSLEY ETC... THE LIST COULD GO ON AND ON.....MARYLAND COULD HAVE A TOP 10 OR 15 PROGRAM EVERY SINGLE YEAR JUST BASED ON THE TALENT FROM BALTIMORE ALONE......THOSE ARE JUST A FEW NAMES WHO COULD HAVE HELPED MARYLAND EXCEL...
Have you looked at the roster??? How many players are from out of the Beltway area???? Gary's won with Baltimore players...Booth, Dixon. Cen't get them all. Gregory and Dupree didn't exactly light it up
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#31
Mar 17, 2008
 
Blake couldn't get a scholarship to NC State because Herb Sendek is a nice man but otherwise a dodo. He was Top 100 on most recruiting boards.

Speaking of Blake, historically Maryland only does well the 2nd season whoever runs the point starts to get it. Go all the way back. Duane Simpkins. Terrell Stokes. Even Blake, the most ready-made of Gary's point men probably ever, took a season. Look at the difference between DJ's JR and SR seasons.

This year's team was so damn frustrating because Greivis clearly is ill-suited for the point and Hayes just disappeared. What's left is to hope Bowie and Tucker learn to run the point in the NIT and things will come around next year.
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#32
Mar 17, 2008
 
I agree that depth was an issue. Certainly if Dave Neal is anybody's idea of "depth." Put another way, I don't think Gary so much wanted as had to play him. Particularly in light of the fact that Roberto Duran has apparently transplanted his hands to Jerome Burney.
Ralph Kirkpatrick

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#33
Mar 17, 2008
 
What about the possibility that Williams no longer is the coach to return Maryland to the top rank? Maybe Maryland sticks with its coaches (men's basketball, football) past their prime, keeping them in their declining years? Yes, that's a tough assessment, and I'm not able to do that at a high level. But someone can, and someone should - someone not dependent on Maryland for perks or more.
Devin

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#34
Mar 17, 2008
 
Of course recruiting is a problem for the Terps. How many talented players in the Baltimore-Washington area has Williams let go to other schools.Rudy Gay, Carmelo, and Durant should have been Terrapins. They just won the national championship but can't sign a 5 star recruit. If you're Maryland and you're recruiting on the same level as George Mason or G.W. then you're in trouble. Maryland is supposed to be a power house and not playing in the the NIT. If he can't get 5 stars then what is he doing still in College Park? He can't even graduate the players that he has. Let him join Billick in the booth or on TV with Digger and Knight. He might be past his time.
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#35
Mar 17, 2008
 
Who thinks recruiting has anything to do with 40 minutes of effort-or lack thereof; turning the ball over more than 16 times per game-each of the past 4 seaons while the rest of the acc combined has done it 8 times in that span; mismanaging situational offense-trying to force the offense early in posessions when up double digits & trying to eat clock when you've let your opponent back in the game; 40% of the starting line-up playing out of position-60% if you count Gist playing like a 3 to showcase an all-around game he doesn't have; and the coach not making adjustments mid-game-after seeming to not have had an opponent-approriate gameplan to begin with?
FireGaryWilliams DOT com

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#36
Mar 17, 2008
 
Mike wrote:
I see that Syracuse is in the NIT, AGAIN! Are people calling for Boeheim to go? Who do you guys think should replace Gary? There arent exactly alot of national championship coaches out there. Gary got us to the championship before and I think he will get us back again.
Mike--Yow has proved she can find quality coaches if nothing else. What did Gary win before he came here? By your logic he should have never been hired in the first place. We need to find a young aggressive coach who is looking to make it to the top of the mountain. Not someone on their way down the backside aka Gary Williams.

I for one don't think the talent issue is as big as a problem as eerone is making it out to be. we can always complain about not having enough talent. The problem is the Gary can no longer get the most out of the talent he has. His teams have been underacheivers with the exception of the Dixon teams. Santa Clara, UCLA, St. Johns Butler etc.these are all games in the NCAA's that were winnable for us that were bad losses. The bad losses are adding up faster than the wins over #1 teams. It's great when you can sweep Duke or beat #1 UNC, but not when you go to the NIT. Who wouldn't reverse the results of the VCU, Ohio, American and UNC games this year and take the NCAA bid that would have come with it?

Gary just doesn't have it anymore. I for one, don't feel like driving 3 hours one way for each home game to see his teams through the bsll away like its a pick-up game. Why should the fans have to sit around and wait for Gary to get his act together?

Who cares what other programs like Syracuse are doing? Their problem is not my problem. If they accept poor coaching and NITs fine with me. If you want to marry a 300 lb woman with warts on her face go ahead, I want better for myself and I expect more from my basketball program. Maryland had a great program before Gary, with Gary and will have one after Gary. Gary is not the program and my loyalty is not to him or his feelings. I want to see Maryland as a consistantly competitive program and I think we could do better with another coach. My choice would be Mike Brey but I would take anyone at this point.

How is Bruce Pearl working out at Tennessee? You think their fans are shouting what has he won? No,they saw him lead a small school in into the NCAA's and said this guy has a bright future ahead of him. My guess is that we'll see 3-4 potential coaches in the next 4 days.

Great fact that GMU went to the Final Four with all Maryland players. Was it there talent or the coach?
pixtaker

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#38
Mar 17, 2008
 
Maryland has never recruited very well in Baltimore. Maybe it was the DC area vs. Balto thing, or maybe it was that in an urban area like Baltimore Lefty was too much of a hick and Gary is still too NY/NJ. There HAS been real turnover in the assistant coaches recently and it may take a few years to get there experienced working a living room. Keith Booth is a great guy and I just can't see him not being able to become a good recruiter for Maryland.

The Alumni - both of the school and of the team - need to step up too and help show kids that Maryland is both a good place to play basketball and get an education.
Bob C

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#39
Mar 18, 2008
 
There are higher academic standards at the UofM in Terpland. They will be back.
utahterpsfan

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#40
Mar 18, 2008
 
I am a big terps fan but I have to say you would have to be blind to now question what is going on w/ the program. Yes you can always try to put it into some kind of perspective over the last decade to justify failures as normal. Facts are, Maryland should have performed better this year with the talent they have. Maryland is in the middle of a recruiting hotbed and it is not excusable to let the best talent leave for other schools w/o strongly recruiting them. When someone says coach williams recruits players that match his personality and strenghts, it means to me, a better coach would adapt his personality and strengthen himself in the areas he needs to, to handle different player personalities. That is part of being a good versatile coach. I wonder how much help the University is Giving the atheletic teams. The campus is a run down crap hole and has barely improved at all in the last 25 years. if I was a recruit, i would take a look at the facilities and run the other direction. the University and the State need to get off their A*@%es and make a financial commitment to improve.
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Mar 18, 2008
 
utahterpsfan wrote:
The campus is a run down crap hole and has barely improved at all in the last 25 years. if I was a recruit, i would take a look at the facilities and run the other direction. the University and the State need to get off their A*@%es and make a financial commitment to improve.
When is the last time you have been to campus? If the Comcast Center is not nice enough, what is?

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