Men's basketball: Buckeyes try to move on after first loss | BuckeyeXtra

Ohio State coach Thad Matta talks occasionally about keeping the circle around his program tight, especially when every little thing can be magnified by media coverage and fan reaction. Full Story
rpt44904

Akron, OH

#1 Feb 15, 2011
Lack of bench depth is going to hurt Matta in the long run.

“Bleeding Scarlet and Gray!”

Since: Sep 09

Worthington

#2 Feb 15, 2011
rpt44904 wrote:
Lack of bench depth is going to hurt Matta in the long run.
How do you figure? He has a solid 6 man rotation and has 7 if they can get Thomas to settle down. These kids are conditioned well enough to play 3 games per day.

Since: Oct 09

United States

#3 Feb 15, 2011
Ther are a lot of teams that don't have bench depth. With all the tv time outs and the team time outs, and every other reason they stop play, I don't think getting tired has a whole lot to do with it. You condition in practice and in the off season to keep that from being a factor. Just because someone comes off the bench that has had some playing time, doesn't mean they are going to hit their shots or have a good game. Sometimes a team gets hot and it wouldn't matter if you rotate 15 guys it wouldn't make a difference. Fresh legs doesn't always equate to a win.
bsharp

Columbus, OH

#4 Feb 15, 2011
buck-i-nut wrote:
Fresh legs doesn't always equate to a win.
Yep. There are no simple answers, even though armchair coaches always manage to come up with them after a loss. At this time of the year, in close games, Matta has to put his best playing five on the floor at all times and hope for the best.

Look at the stats. Ohio State played DAMN good at Wisconsin, a really tough place to play well. Wisconsin just shot unconscious from 3-pt range enough times to eke out a tough win for them. Now we'll see how the rest of the season plays out.
Seriously

New York, NY

#5 Feb 15, 2011
Where OSU doesn't have depth is the front court. Sullinger is pretty much it offensively and Lauderdale defensively. But there isn't anyone else on the bench to play in those positions. It isn't like there is some 7 footer that Matta isn't playing. It sounds great to say play more guys but he is already playing 3 freshmen a lot of minutes do you want him to play 4 freshmen a lot of minutes?

“Bleeding Scarlet and Gray!”

Since: Sep 09

Worthington

#6 Feb 15, 2011
Seriously wrote:
Where OSU doesn't have depth is the front court. Sullinger is pretty much it offensively and Lauderdale defensively. But there isn't anyone else on the bench to play in those positions. It isn't like there is some 7 footer that Matta isn't playing. It sounds great to say play more guys but he is already playing 3 freshmen a lot of minutes do you want him to play 4 freshmen a lot of minutes?
The tallest guys on the team are Sullinger at 6'9", Lauderdale at 6'8", and Kecman at 6'8". Kecman is out for the season.
Mike D

Lancaster, OH

#7 Feb 15, 2011
A full 40 minutes of 5 tiring starters is better than 35 minutes of starters and 5 minutes of 1 sub who turns it over and 1 sub who shoots just for the hell of it.
Mr Optimist

Hilliard, OH

#8 Feb 15, 2011
It was one loss. It matters not in the scheme of things
mittymjs

Saint Thomas, PA

#9 Feb 15, 2011
A couple of thoughts I have - particularly this morning after seeing Kansas get outplayed most of the game by an unranked team. Compare the #1 OSU vs a 13 th. ranked Wisconsin team shooting 24 3's and making 12 and OSU up 15 after about 27 min. of play VERSUS a #1 Kansas losing by 16 and almost never from the get go being in the game. Are those two comparable loses? That I believe is a rhetorical question.
Next as I felt two weeks ago, we are going through a gauntlet here these last 8 games this season - NO DOUBT a tremendous challenge against the best in the Conference - TWICE mind you ( except for MSU )! We very well may lose one or two of these games BUT lets re-focus on our goals: First, win the conference second, win the BT Championship and third, get a #1 NCAA seed. Nothing else really matters. I will be very surprised if don't play a strong game tonight and win by more than 5 or 6.
Oh, just as a bit of an aside, it appears there may be controversy brewing over the spitting incident? I believe Jarad!!
Drew

Concord, CA

#10 Feb 15, 2011
The goal is a #1 seed, not to go undefeated. Too many people equate basketball W/L & Rankings with BCS Football...far, far from it (praise Allah for that).

Since: Sep 09

Cincinnati, ohio

#11 Feb 15, 2011
All of you have made solid points...I'd like to add one. At crunch time (wether in the heart of the big ten season or at tournament time) when you get a solid second half lead your defense has to step it up two notches. Particularly at the three point line. This team has to work at coming off screens, working around screens, swithing off screens. There has to be better communication and Lighty and Craft have to smell that blood in the water and get after it. I know Jordan Taylor is great and he is going to make some shots. But dammit, put a hand in his face and make him earn it. The same goes for Bruscewiecz (sorry if I butchered his name). Defense wins Championships, gentlemen and 71 points is not getting it done.
Brutus

Toledo, OH

#12 Feb 15, 2011
Go Bucks beat MSU.
RudyR17

Dayton, OH

#13 Feb 15, 2011
Daddypete wrote:
All of you have made solid points...I'd like to add one. At crunch time (wether in the heart of the big ten season or at tournament time) when you get a solid second half lead your defense has to step it up two notches. Particularly at the three point line. This team has to work at coming off screens, working around screens, swithing off screens. There has to be better communication and Lighty and Craft have to smell that blood in the water and get after it. I know Jordan Taylor is great and he is going to make some shots. But dammit, put a hand in his face and make him earn it. The same goes for Bruscewiecz (sorry if I butchered his name). Defense wins Championships, gentlemen and 71 points is not getting it done.
Excellent points. They have to step it up defensively if they get that much of a lead. Even though Wisconsin was lights out from the field the final 13 minutes or so, the Bucks must at least challenge their shots.
Tennessee Jerry

Madisonville, TN

#14 Feb 15, 2011
FLABUCK wrote:
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How do you figure? He has a solid 6 man rotation and has 7 if they can get Thomas to settle down. These kids are conditioned well enough to play 3 games per day.
Well said, FLABUCK. I played in Europe and in my youth could have played....let's say 2 games per day. A team needs 7 to stay competitive, 1 inside man and 1 outside. When you go beyond that, you lose the team chemistry that is necessary for consistancy.

“Bleeding Scarlet and Gray!”

Since: Sep 09

Worthington

#15 Feb 15, 2011
Tennessee Jerry wrote:
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Well said, FLABUCK. I played in Europe and in my youth could have played....let's say 2 games per day. A team needs 7 to stay competitive, 1 inside man and 1 outside. When you go beyond that, you lose the team chemistry that is necessary for consistancy.
Absolutely, and if you weren't conditioned to do so you were one of the guys sitting on the bench wondering why you never got to play.
Tennessee Jerry

Madisonville, TN

#16 Feb 15, 2011
RudyR17 wrote:
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Excellent points. They have to step it up defensively if they get that much of a lead. Even though Wisconsin was lights out from the field the final 13 minutes or so, the Bucks must at least challenge their shots.
You know the game. Living now in TN, I get a full dose of Pat Summit and she is a stuck record (and I mean that in a good waY). She preaches defense and rebounding. You can score a bunch but if the defense is slack, you will sit and watch someone else play. When they have a bad first half, it's interesting when the mike goes into the locker room. Defense, defense, she always says good offense comes from the intensity of great defense. I know back in Ohio, Lady basketball doesn't get much respect but I tell you, down here it does. The lady knows the game and the record of SEC & national championships back it up.
After they got the 15 point lead, the Buck's defense got a little slack and the Wisc. players were a little more open. Coupled with 3 missed shots, which were close and pretty easy and 2 turnovers, Wisc got back into unconscious mode.
No one likes a loss but Summit says it's not a big deal to lose during the season, she says it makes the coaching a little easier and the players listen a little more. Let's hope that is the same for the Buckeyes.
olbuck

Smyrna, TN

#17 Feb 15, 2011
"Tn. Jerry" makes more sense than than 90% of the posters and I agree with his assessment of Pat Summit even though I do not care for her I still give credit where credit is due and she is a great coach and motivator. Have lived in Tn the last twenty years myself having been transferred with my company from Ohio and was in East Tn. most of that time and believe me I got tired of hearing about the Vols both women and men day in and day out and being a "dam yankee" my friends put it on me when ever they could.
Dave
tOSU"65"
Stuck in the Stone Age

Atlanta, GA

#18 Feb 15, 2011
A couple or even several more losses before the start of the NCAA tournament would be good for the team. Facing adversity for the likes of Sullinger and Craft and Thomas et al will help them come March and maybe April.
Tbuck

Appleton, WI

#19 Feb 16, 2011
Loses are never good. Say all you want, but these guys are tiring out. By the end of the regular season, they'll have dead legs. Wouldn't be suprised if they lost in the 2nd or 3rd round of the Big Ten tourney and don't even make the sweet 16 in the NCAA tourney.

Wisconsin plays sometimes 10 players in a game. Ryan understands that it is a marathon, not a sprint. He knows how to develop average players into good players to give his starters a rest.

Motta gets lucky landing some great talent, but he doesn't have a full team of talented players and he hasn't learned how to develop these "other" guys. Until then, we'll have a good team, but by the end of the year they won't be able to keep up.

“Bleeding Scarlet and Gray!”

Since: Sep 09

Worthington

#20 Feb 16, 2011
Tbuck wrote:
Loses are never good. Say all you want, but these guys are tiring out. By the end of the regular season, they'll have dead legs. Wouldn't be suprised if they lost in the 2nd or 3rd round of the Big Ten tourney and don't even make the sweet 16 in the NCAA tourney.
Wisconsin plays sometimes 10 players in a game. Ryan understands that it is a marathon, not a sprint. He knows how to develop average players into good players to give his starters a rest.
Motta gets lucky landing some great talent, but he doesn't have a full team of talented players and he hasn't learned how to develop these "other" guys. Until then, we'll have a good team, but by the end of the year they won't be able to keep up.
He uses 7 guys, one is injured for the season, and the other got in academic trouble and couldn't play. I have said it 100 times, a D1 college basketball player is conditioned to play all 40 minutes in every game. Doing this 2 times per week is nothing compared to what they go through at practice.

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