Zips robbed by bank

There are 43 comments on the Akron Beacon Journal story from Mar 11, 2007, titled Zips robbed by bank. In it, Akron Beacon Journal reports that:

This one will hurt forever, especially if more expected bad news comes today. The 896th loss in the 106-year history of the University of Akron basketball program is one that will be remembered with deep regret ...

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Alexis

Zebulon, GA

#1 Mar 11, 2007
By Not starting the clock on time that changed the entire possession. That gave Miame more time to do whatever it wanted. If the clock would have started on time the Miami would have probably taken a shot just inside of half court and not a shot on the wing.

All year long they said the Free throws would come back to haunt the Zips and it sure did.
totally confused

Beachwood, OH

#2 Mar 11, 2007
I cannot figure out how so many people can incorrectly state that if the clock started late, there should have been time added to the clock. That's ridiculous. If the clock started late, the shot actually was taken with about 0.6 seconds left, not 1.2 One way or the other the clock expired as the ball went through the hoop. GAME OVER. To give Akron a chane to score at the end was RIDICULOUS!
Hoops Nout

Orland Park, IL

#3 Mar 11, 2007
The Zips lost the game when they 1) could not hang onto a nine point lead 2)0 could not make free throws in the clutch and 3) could not get a rebound on the last criical possession. They blew it.
LeThargic -Queen- James

Avon Lake, OH

#4 Mar 11, 2007
The free throw thing must be contagious.
totally confused

Beachwood, OH

#5 Mar 11, 2007
A couple more comments. It is my belief the Akron coach questioned the start of the clock hoping that time had actually expired before the shot was taken. He DID NOT expect time to be added. Secondly, which Akron player called time out as the ball went through the hoop? I saw no one. If it was the coach, the officials would have needed at least a second to turn around and see him calling time. There is no way they would have heard him call time with the crowd noise being what it was. GAME OVER. I guess the officials assumed someone called time, just as they assumed their hand-held stop watch was correct. If indeed the game clock malfunctioned to the point only six seconds (according to the officials who checked it five times) had run off from the time the missed free throw was tipped into the corner and not the 6.6 seconds the clock indicated after the ball had been retrieved, then there was obviously a bad clock for the entire tournament. If so, the MAC had better consider a new site next year. On top of that, I imagine the Cavs use the same clock so maybe the NBA should void the results of all games played at The Q this season. Sound ridiculous? No more-so than giving the Zips a second chance to win.
Corey Utterback

Avon Lake, OH

#6 Mar 11, 2007
My point was, look, they put .6 seconds on the clock, Iím a business major, so Iím good at math, that means that the shot was taken at about two seconds, because itís a three.- Keith Dambrot

Here is a tracking of the time, noting that Bramos batted the ball to himself on the rebound:

Time as kept:
6.6 seconds left when Middleton shoots
6.6 seconds when Bramos batted.
6.6 seconds when Bramos actually gets possession.
1.3 seconds left when ball leaves Penno's hand.
0.1 seconds when the ball goes through the rim

Time as should have been:
6.6 seconds left when Midleton shoots
6.6 seconds when Bramos batted.
5.5 seconds when Bramos actually gets possession.(ESPN calculated 1.1 seconds delay)
0.2 seconds left when ball leaves Penno's hand.
-1.0 seconds when the ball geos through the rim.(In other words, the buzzer would have sounded immediately after the ball is released.)


So, in fact, the only thing that should have been determined is whether Penno got the shot off with time as it should have been... and he did.

Under NO CIRCUMSTANCE should any time have been put on the clock. Another way to look at it: time SHOULD have been put on the clock if the timekeeper had started the clock too SOON. This is a case of a mistake being made, but an automatic assumption that Akron was the slighted party, because of the RESULT. In fact... Akron received time it shouldn't have. Miami was actually more of an injured party, because they moved the ball for the last shot under an assumption of having more time than they really did.

One final way of looking at it: Had Miami released a shot with .5 left, and made it, Dambrot would have been calling for the game to have been over.. because of the delay.. and he would have been correct. Dambrot's, argument, his math, and hopefully not his ethic, depended on the result only... not the facts.
Jay

Akron, OH

#7 Mar 11, 2007
How come no one went back to the play when Middleton was fouled and saw the clock stopped LATE, costing miami a second atleast.
Ramon

Wadsworth, OH

#8 Mar 11, 2007
too bad the game was determined by refs from the WWE. Who knows what would have happened if the clock started after the free throw hit the rim.
Carol

AOL

#9 Mar 11, 2007
I was at the game with my son and friend. My son, friend, daughter and I are all alumni of Akron U. I was very proud of the way the boys played, they deserved to win. It was a "hail Mary" shot that went in. It was a joy to watch them play. I followed them all year but only saw a few games.
CONGRATULATIONS!!! You played hard and with heart, cannot ask for more than that.
BLUmaan

Redmond, WA

#10 Mar 11, 2007
Look at Alexis comment at top. That's really the bottom line. The game belonged to the University of Akron
Alexis

Zebulon, GA

#11 Mar 11, 2007
Corey Utterback wrote:
My point was, look, they put .6 seconds on the clock, Iím a business major, so Iím good at math, that means that the shot was taken at about two seconds, because itís a three.- Keith Dambrot
Here is a tracking of the time, noting that Bramos batted the ball to himself on the rebound:
Time as kept:
6.6 seconds left when Middleton shoots
6.6 seconds when Bramos batted.
6.6 seconds when Bramos actually gets possession.
1.3 seconds left when ball leaves Penno's hand.
0.1 seconds when the ball goes through the rim
Time as should have been:
6.6 seconds left when Midleton shoots
6.6 seconds when Bramos batted.
5.5 seconds when Bramos actually gets possession.(ESPN calculated 1.1 seconds delay)
0.2 seconds left when ball leaves Penno's hand.
-1.0 seconds when the ball geos through the rim.(In other words, the buzzer would have sounded immediately after the ball is released.)
So, in fact, the only thing that should have been determined is whether Penno got the shot off with time as it should have been... and he did.
Under NO CIRCUMSTANCE should any time have been put on the clock. Another way to look at it: time SHOULD have been put on the clock if the timekeeper had started the clock too SOON. This is a case of a mistake being made, but an automatic assumption that Akron was the slighted party, because of the RESULT. In fact... Akron received time it shouldn't have. Miami was actually more of an injured party, because they moved the ball for the last shot under an assumption of having more time than they really did.
One final way of looking at it: Had Miami released a shot with .5 left, and made it, Dambrot would have been calling for the game to have been over.. because of the delay.. and he would have been correct. Dambrot's, argument, his math, and hopefully not his ethic, depended on the result only... not the facts.
I completely agree with everything you said to a point. By them not starting the clock right away it game Miami a different possession. Penno would have taken the first shot he saw. He would not have had time in his mind to make a fake then dribble to the left and shoot. He would have caught the pass and shot that is even if the pass went to him. 24 Could have easily pulled up and took the shot.

By the clock not starting on time it changed the entire possession.

Yes Akron missed foul shots and they could not make a basket the last 9 minutes of the game. Dambrot got out of his game and tried to play Miami's game. They should not have been in that situation for a clock to take over the game.
Tragedystrikesag ain

Nashville, TN

#12 Mar 11, 2007
That's what they get!!! How dare these suckas rob us by naming their cheering section the "A.K. Rowdies". I hope it hurts really bad!!!
Sergeant_Hulka

Evansville, IN

#13 Mar 11, 2007
Stop whining you bunch of babies! The only college team that matters in Ohio is the Buckeyes. Akron is for losers, and we all know it.
ROR

Chicago, IL

#14 Mar 11, 2007
WOULDA, COULDA, SHOULDA, BUT YOU DIDN'T DIDYA!!!!!

ATTENTION: ZIPPY FANS

YOU NEED TO LEARN IT'S NOT FEAR THE ROO!
IT'S FEAR THE REFS!

AND NOW FEAR THE TIMEKEEPER!

LET'S FACE IT - GOD'S WILL!!!
NO "SORRY CHARLIE" LAST NIGHT!!!!
Jay

Oxford, OH

#15 Mar 11, 2007
You're wrong, Alexis.

Had the clock started on time, absolutely nothing would have been different. Penno let go of the ball with 1.4 seconds left. Using ESPN's calculations of the clock starting 1.1 late, Miami would have run the exact same play and Penno would have let go of the ball with 0.3 remaining.

Akron choked. There's no other way to look at it. How do you barely draw iron on a free throw with an NCAA berth on the line? Choke.

That said, Miami got lucky as hell. There's no other way to look at it. Penno's shot had no business going in.

Lastly, whoever made the decision to add 0.6 seconds should be fired. That was a travesty. It was either utter incompetence or inexcusable bias. The MAC office needs to discipline them and ban them from ever working a championship game again.
the grey fox

Columbus, MS

#16 Mar 11, 2007
ever since cuyahoga falls lost to hudson in 1963 northeastern ohio has been under this curse...its called choking; letting an inferior team win

if you can't play one point better than miami why should you be in a national tournament?
Ralph Silvestri

United States

#17 Mar 11, 2007
This is northeast Ohio. We've had "The Drive," "The Fumble," and now "The Clock." Get used to it.
Tom Charleston SC

Furman, SC

#18 Mar 11, 2007
The referees took over 10 minutes and still got it wrong--even with the MAC commissioner supervising. When Akron protested, I assumed it was because they thought the game was over before the shot took place (due to the slow start of the clock after the free throw). The game was clearly over since a little MORE than 6.6 seconds expired before the final buzzer. As a Miami fan, I was afraid that the refs would rule that the clock delay was longer than the time remaining when the shot left Penno's hand (which was not even close to being true). Imagine my surprise when they ruled that time would be ADDED rather than SUBTRACTED, and that Akron would be given another possession! What an egregious error! Worst call of the year. However, at the time I was relieved that the Miami basket was allowed. I reasoned that Akron would never score anyway, and even if they did, Miami could protest the game and have an Akron win reversed even several days later (as long as it was before the NCAA's started). I am sure that any resulting Akron win would have been overturned by the MAC or NCAA. The game was more than over when the ball finally dropped through the bottom of the net (it even swirled around in there for awhile after the buzzer, and the clock should not stop after a made shot until the ball falls completely through the net). Even more evidence that the game was OVER.
A viewer

Fairborn, OH

#19 Mar 11, 2007
What a load of horsehockey! Gaffney overlooked the fact that when Middleton was fouled, that the clock did not stop running, so Miami should have time added to the clock for that.

With the amount of whining by Drambolt, I doubt the NCAA will go out of their way to put a pain in the butt coach into their tournament
A viewer

Fairborn, OH

#20 Mar 11, 2007
Oh, one more comment to the Zip fans. Remember the Rothleisberger to Tillitz Hail Mary pass some years ago? That crushed you as bad as last night's last shot. Kangaroo the other YELLOW meat.

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