Lions' recruiting march again cuts de...

Lions' recruiting march again cuts deep into Md.

There are 118 comments on the Baltimore Sun story from Jul 8, 2008, titled Lions' recruiting march again cuts deep into Md.. In it, Baltimore Sun reports that:

When Darrell Givens and Malcolm Willis of Charles County gave oral commitments to play football for Penn State, they knew they would have much work ahead of them.

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Jopa-n

Middletown, PA

#103 Jul 9, 2008
Jeff wrote:
I wonder if the PA papers write articles about how OSU, MICH, and ND pluck away alot of their talent away from Penn St.
Absolutely Jeff. Everytime PSU loses one to it's main competitors, it's all over the sports page and discussions go on about how to stop the bleeding. Difference is, nobody attacks the writers for merely reporting the truth.
It is, what it is, and the anger is placed where it should be- The Teams Recruiting and those that took the players away, with an understanding that the other teams are just doing the best they can.
I should also include the players themselves because there is suppose to be some allegence to your area or state, atleast until money becomes an issue (Turn Pro).
MCTERP

Raleigh, NC

#104 Jul 9, 2008
Ken wrote:
Seriously..........are you paid by the UPS to publish this spin or do simply do it as a result of your own personal bias in favor of your Alma Mater?
Apply the same standard to your Employer/Alma Mater and you will see that they can't keep their own kids at home and thus the NECESSITY to come down here.
http://maryland.rivals.com/viewrank.asp...
PSU cant keep their Pennsylvania players home?
Do you think it has to do with all the criminal activity that PSU football plyers have been charged with?
MCTERP

Raleigh, NC

#105 Jul 9, 2008
Jopa-n wrote:
If Penn State recruits a player, it's because they believe he has talent. If they are hitting MD harder than Western PA, it's because the overall talent in their minds is better this year. Penn State does not recruit based on whose recruiting and certainly does not fear Pitt or Rutgers, whom they out recruited overall every year I know of for quite a while. The only thing I could see affecting any team on recruiting would be the States of Florida and California, because of the distance and the teams that would be flooding the kids with all kinds of promises.
What a joke PSU doesnt think they have the ability but OSU and Michigan do?
Jopa-n

Middletown, PA

#106 Jul 9, 2008
MCTERP wrote:
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PSU cant keep their Pennsylvania players home?
Do you think it has to do with all the criminal activity that PSU football plyers have been charged with?
Look who's talking! A fan of MD where PSU has a pipeline and the Terp are happy to get a couple drips. Better worry about your own backyard first.
Jopa-n

Middletown, PA

#107 Jul 9, 2008
MCTERP wrote:
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What a joke PSU doesnt think they have the ability but OSU and Michigan do?
I'll give Cal. to Mich somewhat. California is dominated by USC and Notre Dame. Florida is dominated by Miami, Fla. St., Fla., Ga. and now two other Fla. schools that are coming on. Anything else is leftovers or a lucky break once in a while.
Ken

Lisbon, MD

#109 Jul 9, 2008
Jopa-n wrote:
If Penn State recruits a player, it's because they believe he has talent. If they are hitting MD harder than Western PA, it's because the overall talent in their minds is better this year. Penn State does not recruit based on whose recruiting and certainly does not fear Pitt or Rutgers, whom they out recruited overall every year I know of for quite a while. The only thing I could see affecting any team on recruiting would be the States of Florida and California, because of the distance and the teams that would be flooding the kids with all kinds of promises.
Exactly! UPS is infallible. Whatever they do is right and good. I've always known and believed that!
Ken

Lisbon, MD

#110 Jul 9, 2008
Jopa-n wrote:
<quoted text>Look who's talking! A fan of MD where PSU has a pipeline and the Terp are happy to get a couple drips. Better worry about your own backyard first.
Pipeline? LOL. Do you know what the word means? UPS hasn't signed a top 20 Maryland kid in the last TWO YEARS! I know, I know, you guys always hate going over the facts.
MCTERP

Raleigh, NC

#111 Jul 9, 2008
Jopa-n wrote:
<quoted text>I'll give Cal. to Mich somewhat. California is dominated by USC and Notre Dame. Florida is dominated by Miami, Fla. St., Fla., Ga. and now two other Fla. schools that are coming on. Anything else is leftovers or a lucky break once in a while.
And Pa is dominated by Pitt, Mich and OSU.
Jopa-n

Middletown, PA

#112 Jul 9, 2008
MCTERP wrote:
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And Pa is dominated by Pitt, Mich and OSU.
I'll grant you, Penn State does not do nearly as good as it should IMO on the 4 star athletes in PA. What I'm saying is that PSU would not recruit a 4 MD star over a 4 star PA just because their in Maryland. That would make the terps look worse than ever. PSU equally recruits 4 star athletes in PA, MD, NJ, and NY. If more from one state or another wishes to go there or somewhere else, fine. The object is to recruit as much overall talent as possible, reguardless of the state.
TerpAndy

Indianapolis, IN

#113 Jul 9, 2008
Where is State Penn? Oh yea, take a right out of BF Egypt, drive 20 miles to the middle of nowhere and then take a left towards palookaville.
Scalia

Lisbon, MD

#114 Jul 9, 2008
"Here's a story for you that I'm all-too familiar with. I covered Maryland for the Baltimore Sun for two and a half seasons and wrote this very same story, which struck a nerve in the Gossett football building. At that time, PSU had gotten 9 of the top 11 players in Maryland. Here's my take on it this time around -- Maryland isn't going to be too concerned because these guys are going to pan out to be average players. How do I know? When's the last time you saw TWO phenomenal players come out of the same high school at the same time? PSU defensive line coach Larry Johnson got four kids from two high schools (Lackey and Eleanor Roosevelt). He's earned quite the reputation for plucking talent out of Maryland, but frankly, he's overrated as a recruiter. Aaron Maybin? Hasn't played. Antonio Logan-El? Quit the team. The list goes on"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/acc
Interesting.........Heather has a completely different view of all Larry Johnson's BS/Spin.
John B

Lutherville Timonium, MD

#115 Jul 9, 2008
Another negative MD recruiting article written by the SUN? This is a junior high article written by a junior high writer. No Wilbon's or Kornheiser's coming from the Sun are they?
Samson151

United States

#116 Jul 9, 2008
Geez, I've been to State College and came away profoundly unimpressed by the town. Compared to the homes of most of its Big Ten rivals or Notre Dame, it's nowheresville. Can't help wondering if that didn't play some role in the kids from Maryland who didn't stick. And can't help thinking they'd have had a better chance in College Park.

The losses in basketball are even more visible: Carmelo, Rudy, Donte... that's got to be the coaches. And their relationship with the local high schools. No other explanation holds water.
Joe Depends

Macomb, MI

#117 Jul 10, 2008
It must be very difficult for UPS grads living in the Baltimore-Washington metro area. Surrounded by a active, large Maryland alumni base, they're largely ignored.

I have to agree with the poster who mentioned probably the best reason for many of the Maryland players attending UPS. UPS does have a storied, but decrepit coach, along with it's football tradition. But largely, since the 1990's the football program has been largely blase. Since a large number of Maryland high school seniors are unable to gain admission to the University of Maryland, it's no secret that many of the players attending UPS wouldn't qualify at Maryland as in-state students. However, UPS presents a different opportunity for out-of-state players, and the relative ease of admissions into UPS along with it's remoteness is attractive to some.

Given Ralph's no non-sense disciplinarian approach to handling players, and it's easy to see why some would find UPS attractive.
DaRel Scott

Baltimore, MD

#118 Jul 11, 2008
Why is this garbage of an article still up?
The sad thing is this Lovelace hack writes the articles for "Recruiting Tavon Austin" so I'm sure he's in his ear about Penn St and what fine young men the program is producing.
I have a feeling Austin sees through the BS.
ND fan for life

Souderton, PA

#119 Jul 12, 2008
For the most part we are having a debate here about a has been (PSU) and a never was (MD) if we are talking about college football.
Jopa-n

Middletown, PA

#120 Jul 12, 2008
ND fan for life wrote:
For the most part we are having a debate here about a has been (PSU) and a never was (MD) if we are talking about college football.
Um, lets see. a ND fan calling PSU a has been after last season, is like the Dolphins calling the Colts underachievers!
als

Hyattsville, MD

#121 Jul 13, 2008
Gary's has been partly bad luck. He had back-to-back top 5 classes following the Nat'l Championship and it just unraveled. The kid from DeMatha got in trouble; Gilcrist thought he was Iverson; one kid washed out completely; etc. Large turnover in assistants probably didn't help.
As for Ralph,(another guy who turns over key assistants frequently) he LOVES Jordan Steffy because he's a good kid who practices great. After how many failed opportunities as a starter, he finds a diamond in the rough but what's he do? Opens the competition at QB, again! Here's a kid with a chance to start for two more seasons, add some stability, and give those receivers a QB who can give them scoring opportunities and Ralph throws the competition open again. Did he expect Steffy wouldn't practice well this year? Did he expect Chris Turner to suddenly become a great practice QB? Portis still hasn't learned the system (maybe it's time to move him). Hollenbach was ready to leave the program before becoming a two year starter because Ralph fell in love with the other kid (another practice great). Ralph got REAL lucky that kid transferred from WVU his first year with the program.

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