Hokies make Terps foot the loss

Hokies make Terps foot the loss

There are 47 comments on the Baltimore Sun story from Nov 7, 2008, titled Hokies make Terps foot the loss. In it, Baltimore Sun reports that:

There's the Hokie Stone that Virginia Tech players rub entering Lane Stadium. And the lunch pail the Hokies carry to games.

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Bob

Cockeysville, MD

#41 Nov 7, 2008
Amory Blaine wrote:
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What's puzzling is why you would devote much of your life agonizing over Terp football, trashing coaches, trashing the administration and trashing other fans--especially considering that you didn't even attend Maryland. It's almost pathological.
No it's not pathological , i just get tired of fans like you consistently picking up for over rated coaches like ralph and Gary. Stop talking about what you did 19 years ago in gary's case about reviving a dead program. Tell me what has he done since he won the national championship. Instead of being in the top 25 every year he his lucky to get into the NIT now. In fridge's case he won his first 3 years with somebody Else's recruits and ever since has floundered. Since he lost his offensive and defensive coordinator this team is just a average team at best. Your nothing but a kool aid drinker that won't face the fact.And where a$$ hole does it say anywhere that you have to attend a school to have a real rooting interest for them. When you support them for 25 years then come talk to me son.
Amory Blaine

Mount Airy, MD

#42 Nov 7, 2008
Bob wrote:
<quoted text>No it's not pathological , i just get tired of fans like you consistently picking up for over rated coaches like ralph and Gary. Stop talking about what you did 19 years ago in gary's case about reviving a dead program. Tell me what has he done since he won the national championship. Instead of being in the top 25 every year he his lucky to get into the NIT now. In fridge's case he won his first 3 years with somebody Else's recruits and ever since has floundered. Since he lost his offensive and defensive coordinator this team is just a average team at best. Your nothing but a kool aid drinker that won't face the fact.And where a$$ hole does it say anywhere that you have to attend a school to have a real rooting interest for them. When you support them for 25 years then come talk to me son.
I've supported them for more 35 years (Class of '72). I feel sorry for you.
Bob

Cockeysville, MD

#43 Nov 7, 2008
Amory Blaine wrote:
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I've supported them for more 35 years (Class of '72). I feel sorry for you.
Don't feel sorry for me, just start being realistic and stop defending coaches when they can't get the job done.
Jon

Fayetteville, NC

#44 Nov 7, 2008
There's no question the ACC enjoys an enormous amount of parity right now. It is currently ranked the #3 conference (just behind the SEC which is just behind the Big 12 according to Sagarin) and has a good winning percentage in out-of-conference games, but I don't think we'll get a real idea of where the ACC stands until the bowl games where we see some good match ups. Last year it was not pretty for the ACC...
As for Friedgen, it pains me to say it because I was there as a freshman in 2001 for his first season and the Terps meteoric rise to the ACCCG and a BCS bowl. And there's no denying Friedgen is a genuinely good guy and really cares for his players. Unfortunately, his performance has been suspect. My belief is that the much maligned Ron Vanderlinden who was fired after only 4 seasons, almost too short a time to really turn a team completely around--which he clearly was in the process of doing, was entirely responsible for the 2001 team's success and the 2002 and 2003 teams which both came painfully close to winning the ACC as well. I think that was Vanderlinden's legacy and the current trend of mediocrity is Friedgen's. Since 2003 the only winning season we've had was in 2006 where we beat an ailing FSU and lost against 4 out of 5 ranked teams and won a mediocre bowl game to finish 9-4.... And STILL didn't win a weak ACC, not even finishing in the top three.
Last night demonstrates the problems endemic to our program, and the biggest one of those is play-calling. It was run way too conservative at the beginning where big plays would have taken the Hokie crowd out as a game factor and given the MD team a huge momentum boost and shot of confidence. Why was RB Da'Rel Scott who was clearly hurting from his injury kept in most of the game when Meggett, when given the opportunity showed an ability to move the ball against the Hokie D line? Why would you have Scott run the ball straight up the middle three times in a row to result in 3 and out on a crucial drive where you desperately need to put points on the board? Why was Heyward-Bey not given more opportunities to make big plays when it was clear the run game was going no where (which has been a puzzling question all season)?
Another problem is recruiting, with our O line and D line being severely overmatched. Those haven't been truly good since the 2003, and a lot of those were hold overs from Vanderlinden (e.g. E.J. Henderson). This is a shame, because we do have some truly talented players in skill positions: Darrius Heyward-Bey, Da'Rel Scott, Chris Turner, Davin Meggett, Torrey Smith, etc.
I say this: If Friedgen can pull out a 7-5 regular season and win a bowl game, he's earned a reprieve. BUT, with the understanding that further progress is expected next year, and a return to an ACC title game in the next two years. Otherwise, I think it's time for us to move on, ten seasons was plenty of time. And personally, I don't think he can do it.
Jon

Fayetteville, NC

#45 Nov 7, 2008
Amory Blaine wrote:
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The great Ross years? Four minor bowls, two losses.
Uh... Bobby Ross won the ACC THREE consecutive years in the five seasons he was coach!
Bob

Cockeysville, MD

#46 Nov 7, 2008
Jon wrote:
There's no question the ACC enjoys an enormous amount of parity right now. It is currently ranked the #3 conference (just behind the SEC which is just behind the Big 12 according to Sagarin) and has a good winning percentage in out-of-conference games, but I don't think we'll get a real idea of where the ACC stands until the bowl games where we see some good match ups. Last year it was not pretty for the ACC...
As for Friedgen, it pains me to say it because I was there as a freshman in 2001 for his first season and the Terps meteoric rise to the ACCCG and a BCS bowl. And there's no denying Friedgen is a genuinely good guy and really cares for his players. Unfortunately, his performance has been suspect. My belief is that the much maligned Ron Vanderlinden who was fired after only 4 seasons, almost too short a time to really turn a team completely around--which he clearly was in the process of doing, was entirely responsible for the 2001 team's success and the 2002 and 2003 teams which both came painfully close to winning the ACC as well. I think that was Vanderlinden's legacy and the current trend of mediocrity is Friedgen's. Since 2003 the only winning season we've had was in 2006 where we beat an ailing FSU and lost against 4 out of 5 ranked teams and won a mediocre bowl game to finish 9-4.... And STILL didn't win a weak ACC, not even finishing in the top three.
Last night demonstrates the problems endemic to our program, and the biggest one of those is play-calling. It was run way too conservative at the beginning where big plays would have taken the Hokie crowd out as a game factor and given the MD team a huge momentum boost and shot of confidence. Why was RB Da'Rel Scott who was clearly hurting from his injury kept in most of the game when Meggett, when given the opportunity showed an ability to move the ball against the Hokie D line? Why would you have Scott run the ball straight up the middle three times in a row to result in 3 and out on a crucial drive where you desperately need to put points on the board? Why was Heyward-Bey not given more opportunities to make big plays when it was clear the run game was going no where (which has been a puzzling question all season)?
Another problem is recruiting, with our O line and D line being severely overmatched. Those haven't been truly good since the 2003, and a lot of those were hold overs from Vanderlinden (e.g. E.J. Henderson). This is a shame, because we do have some truly talented players in skill positions: Darrius Heyward-Bey, Da'Rel Scott, Chris Turner, Davin Meggett, Torrey Smith, etc.
I say this: If Friedgen can pull out a 7-5 regular season and win a bowl game, he's earned a reprieve. BUT, with the understanding that further progress is expected next year, and a return to an ACC title game in the next two years. Otherwise, I think it's time for us to move on, ten seasons was plenty of time. And personally, I don't think he can do it.
Jon as you can tell i am not a big fan of either ralph or Gary Williams. I think they both have seen better days. With that said i think what you just wrote was one of the most complete analysis of what is completely wrong with this program. You are spot on in everything that you just wrote. I truly believe that ralph is a great person who everybody loves, but the time has come for a change.If md loses out the rest of the way i think Debbie yow has a obligation to fire him.
Bob

Cockeysville, MD

#47 Nov 7, 2008
Jon wrote:
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Uh... Bobby Ross won the ACC THREE consecutive years in the five seasons he was coach!
I said the same thing in one of my earlier postings. Bobby ross never had any support or backing from the Ad. That and that alone was the reason he left. Ralph couldn't hold a candle to bobby ross.

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