Florida State must stop stonewalling

Not much sunshine in Orlando this week because of Tropical Storm Fay. Not much Sunshine in Tallahassee either due to another tropical storm on the horizon -- a top-secret list of alleged NCAA violations. Full Story
Ocala Reader

United States

#21 Aug 20, 2008
Nolen1999- There was an article in yesterday's St. Pete Times regarding the NOA, Bianchi is just doing his job, not 'car[ing] about FSU' because he is a UF grad. (BTW, many Gator fans complain he favors FSU). Bottom line is FSU looks like it is hiding something. This issue is being discussed heavily on MANY recruiting and sports forums, including MSNBC's college football forums, Warchant (although Dot deletes threads if they are too negative) and Gatorcountry. The AD, quoted heavily following a Booster meeting regarding these 'old news' issues, and TKW are doing a fine job at making FSU, first and foremost a UNIVERSITY, look ridiculous. I guess protecting Bobby Bowden and the football program is more important than the institution itsef.
Ocala Reader

United States

#22 Aug 20, 2008
Seriously, if you are going to love on your alma mater, use SPELL and GRAMMAR check.

I, for one, am looking forward to the Sept. 12th release of the NOA. It should make for very interesting reading, assuming FSU releases the entire document (sans student names) as required by law. I am not holding my breath, that's for sure!
Bill

Jacksonville, FL

#23 Aug 20, 2008
down down to china town. FSU is going down.
FOLLOW THE LAW

Gainesville, FL

#24 Aug 20, 2008
Even though I am a Gator fan, I'm not one to bash FSU most of the time, but there is no excuse for not following the law. When the people that work for the taxpayers hide things, its never good for everyone.
DPack

Tampa, FL

#25 Aug 20, 2008
It would appear everyone including the Sentinel wants a release of the NOA. Is not the NOA from the NCAA? If so how does that document relate to the Fl. Sunshine law since it comes from the NCAA which if memory serves is not funded by Fl. tax dollars. That being said the Sentinel has every right to request the response from Fl. State currently being prepared and which has been stated by the University according to the article somewhere near Sept. 12th.
Whether or not the University appearance is "looking guilty" is a matter of the "old glass half full or empty" analogy at this point. The bottom line is this hunt for information by the Sentinel and all others is nothing more than media's continual attempt to create the sensationalist journalism that trials everything and everyone before all the facts are presented. One would think the Sentinel would learn some lessons from the recent debacle over the scuttlebut printed regarding UCF and it's penchant for reporting allegation and speculation. As a reader personally I am not interested in the Sentinels personal viewpoint slanted or otherwise but the facts as they become released.
Chris

Tallahassee, FL

#26 Aug 20, 2008
Go Noles wrote:
Being a FSU graduate, I'm embarassid of my school right now.
Being an FSU graduate myself, I'm embarrassed that you can't spell embarrassed!
The university has been proactive on this issue from the beginning, they are simply sticking with their policy. It is a public document, but not much different than medical records at a University Healthcenter. You have to be careful not to violate student privacy laws.
Mr Nole

Greenville, NC

#27 Aug 20, 2008
rjsplow wrote:
All you FSU fans better be wearing your mickey mouse ponchos when this NOA and all of the allegations hits the fan, because that mess is going to spray EVERYWHERE. I'm sure your venerable old coach would have a comment or two about the situation, but he's taking a nap right now. In other news, say goodbye to any semblance of a good
2009 recruiting class.
Your confident predictions of gloom and doom for FSU demonstrates that you are aware of the outcome. Share them with us.
navchop

Satellite Provider

#28 Aug 20, 2008
Blah, Blah, Blah
Palm Bay Reader

Apopka, FL

#29 Aug 20, 2008
I think some people do not get the point. This is not just a violation by FSU athletes but academic malfeasance by FSU students and faculty. The highest priority in academia is the integrity of the academic program. It is a very serious offense. This situation suggest a conspiracy with academic staff and students to "enable" students/athletes to pass a test. This is cheating in anybody's book. You are committing a premeditated act when you cheat - this is not just a bad decision.
Jack Manheimer

Bluffton, SC

#30 Aug 20, 2008
Is Lanny Davis on FSU's legal staff? Why tell the truth when a lie works better is FSU's philosphy for a long time.
Double Standard

Orlando, FL

#31 Aug 20, 2008
Although I'm a Gator Fan, I will be extremely disappointed if the NCAA takes action on FSU but not USC. Why does the NCAA continuously ignore USC's violations when the entire fiasco is publicized in an open court room and a yahoo investigation did all the work for the NCAA?
little d vill

Moultrie, GA

#32 Aug 20, 2008
Go Noles wrote:
Being a FSU graduate, I'm embarassid of my school right now.
how can you say this. iam embarassid by you .alleged violations have not been proven.
Daunte

San Juan, TX

#33 Aug 20, 2008
TK Wetherell is a chump! He's been bad news for the Seminoles!
Spook

Jacksonville, FL

#34 Aug 20, 2008
FSU had a grand plan to delay this until they get the new recruiting class signed and Bowden out the door. They tried to delay the hearings until winter, long after the original September date. The NCAA gave them until October. Their PR dept is in full damage control status, and even outlets like Warchant are deleting even the most benign discussions on this topic. This is a slowly tightening noose and that has got to be even worse for FSU.
Simple minds

AOL

#35 Aug 20, 2008
Palm Bay Reader wrote:
I think some people do not get the point. This is not just a violation by FSU athletes but academic malfeasance by FSU students and faculty. The highest priority in academia is the integrity of the academic program. It is a very serious offense. This situation suggest a conspiracy with academic staff and students to "enable" students/athletes to pass a test. This is cheating in anybody's book. You are committing a premeditated act when you cheat - this is not just a bad decision.
Oh for the love of God, it was an on-line fluff class that all colleges have. College kids cheat, buy papers, have other people go to classes for them ect... Yes, even at UF. How do I know this I have 2 kids that go to UF. You all act like they broke into the master computer and half the school cheated. Some of you will use any small thing to bash another school. You need to look in your own school and see what Urban himself covers up. College kids are idiots at every college, unless they go to SU (Stepford University)
FL Native

Saint Augustine, FL

#36 Aug 20, 2008
If it is open and public record, Mike, why don't you get it from the NCAA? FSU is not holding the only copy! Put your reporter skills to work!
Muskogeon

Kissimmee, FL

#38 Aug 20, 2008
NCAA Adjudication, Potential Scholarship Reductions, etc. ARE NOT the most important issue. Of paramount importance is the fact that numerous FSU athletes decided to cheat in a class.

We have instilled a sense of apathy toward the rules and I can only think of Mr. Bobby 'Holier-than-thou' Bowden for this embarrassing debacle. This apathy is unravelling anything positive OUR program has created.

If you were truly proud of your school, you would be infuriated that a couple dozen pampered athletes decided they were "above the rules" and committed academic fraud. They dishonored themselves, their teammates, their families, and their school. They certainly cheapen the degrees that many of us earned without ever cheating.

Yet we sit and quibble over who knows what and what the sanctions might be. Apathetic toward the infractions themselves.

Our athletes should BE TERRIFIED to dishonor their teammates/families/school. We should be in the business of DRIVING OUT all dishonorable "representitives". I am not a fan of zero-tolerance, but if that's the only wakeup call that we can make then so be it.

Could someone please tell me why our players cheated in the first place?
Nolen1999

Tallahassee, FL

#39 Aug 20, 2008
Ocala Reader wrote:
Nolen1999- There was an article in yesterday's St. Pete Times regarding the NOA, Bianchi is just doing his job, not 'car[ing] about FSU' because he is a UF grad.(BTW, many Gator fans complain he favors FSU). Bottom line is FSU looks like it is hiding something. This issue is being discussed heavily on MANY recruiting and sports forums, including MSNBC's college football forums, Warchant (although Dot deletes threads if they are too negative) and Gatorcountry. The AD, quoted heavily following a Booster meeting regarding these 'old news' issues, and TKW are doing a fine job at making FSU, first and foremost a UNIVERSITY, look ridiculous. I guess protecting Bobby Bowden and the football program is more important than the institution itsef.
It's not about protecting BB and the football program. Did you forget that it wasn't just football players that were caught in this scandal? Do you honestly think BB had something to do with this? I think not... leave BB out of this convo. I will always support my Noles, through thick and thin.

Don't come here and pretend as if UF and other schools haven't had their share of problems. Again, FSU has been proactive. Most schools, would have swept it under the rug. Our ex AD is now at Alabama, as an assistant AD. Let's see what Hart and Saban can do to it's "fine" institution.
Uncle A

Roanoke, VA

#40 Aug 20, 2008
Does this surprise anyone? FSU is not only academically embarrassing but legally as well. Peter Warrick anyone?
G Eddie

Jacksonville, FL

#41 Aug 20, 2008
Mike, I think you know why FSU is doing what they are doing. Everyone is sick and tired of you and your rag creating "rumors and innuendos", when you don't get what you want. Even when folks agree to talk with you, ala Garrett Johnson and George O'Leary, you write what you want adding more rumors and innuendos and then fill in the voids with outright lies.

You lost all integrity as a journalist with the Garrett Johnson article and watching you backpedal afterwards was amusing. You are a hack and one of the main reasons why the Orlando Sentinel is losing subscriptions on a daily basis.

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