Over early: Terps cruise

There are 22 comments on the Baltimore Sun story from Dec 13, 2008, titled Over early: Terps cruise. In it, Baltimore Sun reports that:

A year ago, a distracted Maryland men's basketball team came into its last game before final exams dismissing its opponent.

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MAKA

California, MD

#1 Dec 13, 2008
These wins are meaningless unless we beat some of the better teams. It still does not change my mind that we have already seen the best of Gary Williams and will not likely see it again. It still is time to change coaches.
Mariolucasforthr ee

Utica, MI

#2 Dec 13, 2008
Granted this isn't an ACC victory, but I don't think these games are meaningless - these are the games we could have lost last year. This team passes better, plays D better, and has an overall better team mentality that was lacking last year and before, so I think these types of games do help team cohesion.
Scott G

Alexandria, VA

#3 Dec 13, 2008
MAKA wrote:
These wins are meaningless unless we beat some of the better teams. It still does not change my mind that we have already seen the best of Gary Williams and will not likely see it again. It still is time to change coaches.
That is a very niave comment. There are totally meaningful, and separate who makes the NCAA's and who does not. Ask Kentucky after their loss. There is no doubt in my mind the losses to American and Ohio last year that kept them out. A good team beats the teams they are expected to beat. And right now MD is sitting in the Top 20 in RPI. It shows you don't know squat. MD has the 3rd best winning percentage in the ACC in the last decade, 1 game behind UNC. And the 4th place team is several games behind. Gary is also the 6th winningest active coach. What more do you want?!? Look at some other teams. Notice, Syracuse did not make the NCAA's last year either, and they won the NC more recently than MD did.

You knee jerk know nothings are disgusting. You are the ilk that would want to perform the Bob Wade experiment again.
shreds123

Brunswick, MD

#4 Dec 13, 2008
I wouldn't call it a knee jerk reaction...when was the national championship? 2002? Do you really think this team, with absolutely nothing on the inside is going to do well? Do you think 2 incoming, 6'8", freshman are going to make the difference next year? We may very well have a record of 12-2, or something like that, by the time the ACC season begins. It won't mean a thing unless we get 9 conference wins.
gratefolks

Pasadena, MD

#5 Dec 13, 2008
Right. And if they lose every game they won't make the tournament and if they win the rest of their games they're National Champions. Great Skill in overstating the obvious.

and while we're at it, not only is the "meaningless game" naive, it is illogical. Presumably, then, if they had lost it, too, would have been meaningless. But of course had they lost you'd have said it was proof of the program's demise. No compute. Whether or not that is the case is besides the point; think before you post.

Now, back to the fun. I watched in spite of the blow-out just to see if they could remain intense. For the most part, they did. That is refreshing to see. I also enjoyed watching Bowie and Milbourne continue their drive, while Vasquez has settled into a impressive leader. Four players in double-figures hopefully is an indicator of things to come. As long as they play with intensity I won't complain (too much).
Joe

Alexandria, VA

#6 Dec 13, 2008
shreds123 wrote:
I wouldn't call it a knee jerk reaction...when was the national championship? 2002? Do you really think this team, with absolutely nothing on the inside is going to do well? Do you think 2 incoming, 6'8", freshman are going to make the difference next year? We may very well have a record of 12-2, or something like that, by the time the ACC season begins. It won't mean a thing unless we get 9 conference wins.
Yeah, I'd say you pretty much know nothing about basketball.
Joe

Alexandria, VA

#7 Dec 13, 2008
MAKA wrote:
These wins are meaningless unless we beat some of the better teams. It still does not change my mind that we have already seen the best of Gary Williams and will not likely see it again. It still is time to change coaches.
Yeah, I'd say you pretty much know nothing about basketball. If you really feel that way about Gary, I feel sorry for you and any other fans who do. You all act like he doesn't care, like he doesn't try. You're idiots if you think that and you're the kind of fair weather fans I could care less about. Go jump on the Gonzaga bandwagon and you can probably hop on the Red Sox and Phillies bandwagon while you're at it.

Disgusting, ungrateful, ignorant people. Makes me sick.
Mark

Washington, DC

#8 Dec 13, 2008
shreds123 wrote:
I wouldn't call it a knee jerk reaction...when was the national championship? 2002?
Hey genius, there are 328 Division 1 college basketball teams all trying to win the championship every year. Most of them have never gotten close to winning it and a lot of them have never made the NCAA tournament. Maryland just won it six years ago. Think maybe your expectaions are a little high? Wake up, pinhead.
MT TERP

Helena, MT

#10 Dec 13, 2008
These are tune-ups people - very important - they help your team build, come together and gain experience before the true heart of the season when you start ACC play. They are never meaningless when you lose them - look at national upsets and last year when we lost to cupcakes.

Keep calling for Gary's hide if you like (notice there is never any anti-gary after one of these wins or that tool bob?)- but if he gets this team to keep performing at a competitive level (that means staying in games and winning more than their share - not an automatic final four berth - let's be realistic) it may be his best coaching season yet. There some young talent at some positions, but Gary getting Gary getting some of the lesser players to play out of their abilities will be fun to watch. During his tenure, Gary is the third most successful coach in a deep league with incredible traditions. Hate Gary so much - trying most anybody in this league other than UNC & Duke - they'd love to have Gary.
Terp Fan George

Baltimore, MD

#11 Dec 13, 2008
"A year ago, a distracted Maryland men's basketball team came into its last game before final exams dismissing its opponent.

Not only did the Terps lose to Ohio that night, but they also lost to American in their first game after finals."

That is nonsense. Maryland didn't dismiss Ohio last year. I was at that game. Ohio was a straight-up better team than Maryland. Maryland tried to win, couldn't do it.

Comparing that Ohio team to the Delaware State team from last night is ridiculous. Ohio has a credible basketball program. Delaware State stinks, they are on tour right now as college basketball's version of the Washington Generals, helping the big program pad their win totals.

I wonder if Don will give credit to Maryland for not being distracted when they crush Bryant by 30, an independent team that'll be 1-9 when Maryland plays them and has already lost to Columbia, Albany and Army.

I'm not saying there aren't some positive trends with this year's Maryland's team, I guess I just think it's a little too convenient to say Maryland was distracted when they lost to Ohio and American last year. Those teams came in and beat Maryland, plain and simple.
GMA

Westminster, MD

#12 Dec 13, 2008
Hey!!!

MD is playing better than last year. Its back to playing for something "raw" and not something "special" meaning that MD is swallowing itself as a "deflated program" and they are not ahead or full of themselves. At least that is a plus and they can build by beating the teams that they should and will likely tank against legit top 25 teams. The last few years MD beat the elite teams and later because they lost to so many weak teams sat out the NCAA's. In other words they were "pretenders" prepping for big games only and not getting raw down and being honest like real "contenders." Same deal with the Ravens post Super Bowl. GW is lucky he was not fired for the slack years, given he bone headed his one time special opportunity. Back to old MD...and hopefully some NCAA's 3 out of 4 years...
M Robertson

Denton, MD

#13 Dec 13, 2008
Wonder if Friedgen and Williams will be included in O'Malley's furlough. Bet they dodge the bullet being contractuals.
shreds123

Brunswick, MD

#14 Dec 13, 2008
Unlike some of you, I'm not content with a mediocre program. Gary had a good run, but it ended 6 years ago. Since the Steve Blake class graduated, every year has been a struggle to even make the field of 64. Check the recruits that Gary has brought in...Why was it Gary tried to to get that guard in this past year with the questionable past? Do you thinks it's becuase he felt good about the ones already in the program? I fail to see why being critical of Gary over these past several years makes one a "pinhead". 10 years ago we would complain about never getting past the sweet 16. Now each year we argue why our .500 conference record merits us getting an at large bid. Deeds of the past only buy so much grace. I'm tired of Maryland being an average basketball program. There is no reason to settle. If Gary can get it done, great. I'd love to be able to support his style. But if he can't, then lets get someone that can.
shreds123

Brunswick, MD

#15 Dec 13, 2008
Here are Gary's recruiting classes since the national championship:
2002
Travis Garrison
John Gilchrist
Chris McCray
Nik Caner-Medley
Jamar Smith
2003
Mike Jones
Ekene Ibekwe
Hassan Fofana
Will Bowers
DJ Strawberry
2004
James Gist
Sterling Ledbetter
2005
Shane Clark
Dave Neal
Parrish Brown
2006
Bambale Osby
Eric Hayes
Greivis Vasquez
Landon Milbourne
Jerome Burney
2007
Braxton Dupree
Adrian Bowie
Cliff Tucker
Dino Gregory
Shane Walker
2008
Sean Mosley
Gus Gilchrist
Tyree Evans

I think McCray and Strawberry had a cup of coffee in the NBA. That's it. Gary hasn't been bringing in the top notch players needed to compete with the country's top teams. Also, he has not been "coaching them up" in their 4 years in the program. We've had 2 McDonalds All Americans (Garrison, Jones) that struggled throughout their time in College Park. Others, Gist, Ibekwe, Caner-Medley never made the significant strides throughout their careers to take the team to the next level. The jury is still out on last years class, but....I will say Osby probably did the most with the least in his two years.
GMA

Westminster, MD

#16 Dec 13, 2008
shreds123 wrote:
Here are Gary's recruiting classes since the national championship:
2002
Travis Garrison
John Gilchrist
Chris McCray
Nik Caner-Medley
Jamar Smith
2003
Mike Jones
Ekene Ibekwe
Hassan Fofana
Will Bowers
DJ Strawberry
2004
James Gist
Sterling Ledbetter
2005
Shane Clark
Dave Neal
Parrish Brown
2006
Bambale Osby
Eric Hayes
Greivis Vasquez
Landon Milbourne
Jerome Burney
2007
Braxton Dupree
Adrian Bowie
Cliff Tucker
Dino Gregory
Shane Walker
2008
Sean Mosley
Gus Gilchrist
Tyree Evans
I think McCray and Strawberry had a cup of coffee in the NBA. That's it. Gary hasn't been bringing in the top notch players needed to compete with the country's top teams. Also, he has not been "coaching them up" in their 4 years in the program. We've had 2 McDonalds All Americans (Garrison, Jones) that struggled throughout their time in College Park. Others, Gist, Ibekwe, Caner-Medley never made the significant strides throughout their careers to take the team to the next level. The jury is still out on last years class, but....I will say Osby probably did the most with the least in his two years.
2002 class-

Helped win the ACC tourney-but

Team started suffering from too much Kool-Aid with two championships.

Drum roll please.......the biggest losses to the program and the downfall began....Jimmy Patsos and Eric Dickerson soon after.

This led to the utter disappearance of any consistant low post development, recruiting, and on court play for years...

Keith Booth? I would say OVERATED as an assistant coach-I would rather have Patsos and/or Dave Dickerson..

2007-Gary begins to realize that his contract is an option in 2009-so he looks for quick enhancements to the front court to go with a steady stream of good back court recruits...ahh well that fails...but now in 2008 he is visiting homes again to deliever the big men---

The key remains though-the front court has "STUNK" like a Skunk since 2004. Should GW replace Keith Booth?
gratefolks

Pasadena, MD

#17 Dec 13, 2008
Frankly, the 2002 class was heralded upon their arrival, but they not only stunk, but also the prospects for the following years: who the hell'd want to play with such ego-maniacal fools? with the exception of Caner-Medley there was really no indication that the class would be that bad.

And I don't think any fan wants mediocrity, but we are realistic. This is not Duke or UNC. Similarly, my degree from Maryland doesn't carry the same pedigree. I am not ashamed, but perhaps like the players Gary does recruit, motivated to play harder. Kool-Ad must taste better from a Silver Spoon.
shreds123

Brunswick, MD

#18 Dec 13, 2008
Don't forget, when they won the ACC tournament, they were on the brink of not making the field of 64 that year. It was another "we need to win at least ___ games in the conference tournament" to get in.
Bob

Frederick, MD

#19 Dec 13, 2008
Wow - so many non-Terp fans here. Go comment on your own team. TEAMS win college championships, not superstars. It's not the NBA, it's COLLEGE - a totally different game, with different approaches to winning. That's why I couldn't care less about the NBA, but love college basketball. I do agree on the loss of assistants though, but every good coach wants to see his assistants grow. It makes them look good in the long run.
Steven

Sanford, NC

#20 Dec 14, 2008
I am a Maryland fan through and through. I proudly display my MD colors down here in NC land. The beauty about being an MD fan is that we will always be on the outside looking in which makes our accomplishments even sweeter. MD will never be the school that garners the star recruits, and Gary realized this long ago. He has made this program on the antithesis of the big name recruit. Joe Smith and Juan Dixon were absolute no names. Smith led the us out of the wilderness and Dixon brought us to the promise land. It's a give and take. Some guys work out, some don't but I've enjoyed the ride. It's telling how far our program has come, when we are complaining about winning our last national championship so long ago, 6 years. Sure Gary can be frustrating, but he's deserves all the credit.
Scott G

Alexandria, VA

#21 Dec 14, 2008
Steven wrote:
I am a Maryland fan through and through. I proudly display my MD colors down here in NC land. The beauty about being an MD fan is that we will always be on the outside looking in which makes our accomplishments even sweeter. MD will never be the school that garners the star recruits, and Gary realized this long ago. He has made this program on the antithesis of the big name recruit. Joe Smith and Juan Dixon were absolute no names. Smith led the us out of the wilderness and Dixon brought us to the promise land. It's a give and take. Some guys work out, some don't but I've enjoyed the ride. It's telling how far our program has come, when we are complaining about winning our last national championship so long ago, 6 years. Sure Gary can be frustrating, but he's deserves all the credit.
I think you summed it up best.

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