Graves might be finding the target

Sometimes college basketball games are not so much watched as they are felt. Most of the 4,952 spectators Saturday at Hinkle Fieldhouse felt relief, if not joy, in watching A.J. Graves. Full Story
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Faithful2Dawgsan dColts

Indianapolis, IN

#1 Jan 27, 2008
The last line in this article says a lot. When I see the Dawgs passing and doing it right their offense is dominating. It opens everything up. Seeing them play when their passing game is clicking is beautiful and every bit as exciting to me as a 30 foot 3 pointer or a slam dunk over two defenders.
Conrad

AOL

#2 Jan 27, 2008
Butler plays a team and passing the ball to find the "correct" shot is playing good basketball.
Go Dawgs!

Since: Dec 07

Plainfield

#3 Jan 27, 2008
I've maintained all year that Butler is a team in transition and that they would be fine once they integrated 3 freshmen and a solid inside game with the 5 seniors and the three-point shooting game they used last year. They're still keeping the turnovers down, rebounding better, get a lot of points inside from Howard and Veasely and the three-point shooting from Graves and Campbell is starting to come around along with Green's ball-handling and leadership. They still aren't there yet but I hope they don't get "there" until March.

What is great about this team is their attitude and leadership. Campbell has worked hard on his defense and rebounding and is better at both. Graves is getting some rebounds, assists and is guarding the other team's best scorer at times. Green has worked on his free throw shooting and it shows. Betko and Streicher take a lot of grief in these blogs but they do whatever is needed for the team to succeed.

Let's not forget that a really young coaching staff is doing a great job as they get their on-the-job training.

Great team, fun to watch, always make you proud to be a fan and an alum.

Go Bulldogs.
WoofWoof

Covington, KY

#4 Jan 27, 2008
Go Dawgs!!!!
Arnold

United States

#5 Jan 27, 2008
Hard to believe that the season is 2/3's gone already. Butler now controls its destiny. 4 regular season road games remain (alphabet soup part of schedule)- Valpo, UWGB, UWMIL, and UIC.
Obviously they would like to win them all but I don't think that is realistic. 3 of 4 would be great. A 3 game road trip is alot to overcome as all 3 teams are playing very well @ home.

Here's how I see it- BU currently 19-2 overall, 8-2 conf.:
If Butler finishes regular season 27-3, 15-3- then wins conf. tourney, Butler will be a 3 seed, maybe even a 2 seed!
Butler can lose 2 road games, finish 26-4, 14-4- win the conference tourney and get a 4 seed.
If Butler has 5 or more losses heading into the NCAA's, then the best probable seed is a 5.
In my opinion, a 6 would be better than 4 or 5 because it avoids a matchup with a #1 at the sweet 16.( however, a 6 would have to beat a 3 to get the the sweet 16).
Whatever scenario plays out, it's going to be an exciting run to the finish.
Gordon sux Cellvin blows

Pleasant Prairie, WI

#6 Jan 27, 2008
Go Butler. My favorite team after Purdue.
Sam

Carmel, IN

#7 Jan 27, 2008
Butler will be a 3 seed if they win the Horizon Tourney. If they win out but lose in the tourney they are a 4 seed. If they don't win out and do not win the tourney, they are a 5 seed. Simple as that.
Stan

Avon, IN

#8 Jan 27, 2008
Sam wrote:
Butler will be a 3 seed if they win the Horizon Tourney. If they win out but lose in the tourney they are a 4 seed. If they don't win out and do not win the tourney, they are a 5 seed. Simple as that.
IMHO their RPI will not get them a 3 seed. They'll be a five, unless they don't win the rest of their conference games, then it could be a 6.
Jim

San Mateo, CA

#9 Jan 27, 2008
Man, what a crappy day to be an IU/Pacer fan. Thank God for Butler.
old fart

Elkhart, IN

#10 Jan 27, 2008
Great 'Dogs team!

Crowd - under 5,000

Love former Coach Collier to death but Saturday's game was a perfect example of how folks are not going to pay the kind of prices he wants people to pay to watch the 'Dogs. The losers are the players and the program that deserve to be playing in front of bigger crowds. The average Joe Fan cannot or will not pay the ticket prices Butler now wants to charge!

That is a shame!
Jeff

Avon, IN

#11 Jan 27, 2008
old fart wrote:
Great 'Dogs team!
Crowd - under 5,000

Love former Coach Collier to death but Saturday's game was a perfect example of how folks are not going to pay the kind of prices he wants people to pay to watch the 'Dogs. The losers are the players and the program that deserve to be playing in front of bigger crowds. The average Joe Fan cannot or will not pay the ticket prices Butler now wants to charge!

That is a shame!
Only problem is that Barry is bringing on more money with smaller crowds so he could give a hoot about the size of the crowd. It will bite him when Butler isn't winning 20 plus games and they only draw 1,000 or less.

After this season all of the old regulars that trekked to Hinkle for all those years will have found something else to do with their time. They will remember how Butler turned their back on them and no longer wanted them in the fieldhouse. They will never return.

It really is sad and it's a big loss for the relationship between Butler and Indianapolis.
Fell Down Funked Up

Denver, CO

#12 Jan 27, 2008
Arnold wrote:
Hard to believe that the season is 2/3's gone already. Butler now controls its destiny. 4 regular season road games remain (alphabet soup part of schedule)- Valpo, UWGB, UWMIL, and UIC.
Obviously they would like to win them all but I don't think that is realistic. 3 of 4 would be great. A 3 game road trip is alot to overcome as all 3 teams are playing very well @ home.
Here's how I see it- BU currently 19-2 overall, 8-2 conf.:
If Butler finishes regular season 27-3, 15-3- then wins conf. tourney, Butler will be a 3 seed, maybe even a 2 seed!
Butler can lose 2 road games, finish 26-4, 14-4- win the conference tourney and get a 4 seed.
If Butler has 5 or more losses heading into the NCAA's, then the best probable seed is a 5.
In my opinion, a 6 would be better than 4 or 5 because it avoids a matchup with a #1 at the sweet 16.( however, a 6 would have to beat a 3 to get the the sweet 16).
Whatever scenario plays out, it's going to be an exciting run to the finish.
Butler is a 5 seed, all they are is the Gonzaga of this decade.
Go BU

East Liberty, OH

#13 Jan 27, 2008
Always great to see a game at Hinkle. The Dawgs were sharp and played fantastic. Hopefully the Athletic Dept can find the right price mix next year to both create revenue and get more fans in the seats. The Dawgs deserve to play in a full Hinkle! To do that the athletic department must do more marketing and provide cheaper tickets (i.e. 2 for 1 deals, etc). BU can't forget about the average fan! Even though there are lots of sports options in Indy, we have a great product that should be able to get 10K in the stands with over 2 million in the metro area!
WBrown Memphis

Memphis, TN

#14 Jan 27, 2008
Agreed the attendance should be higher, and I cannot figure out why it is not. The ticket prices are high, but really not that bad for what you get-sound, fundamental team basketball, and a consistently ranked group. It should be drawing more. If I lived there I would have season tickets but unfortunately I do not. You would think though, nationally, recognition is starting to come in at a pace I have never seen in my days, and that will help. Winning cures all, and as long as we keep doing that, things will shake out.

But this is the devil you have to dance with. We are on a roll right now and it looks to continue with the talented group coming in next year, and our chance right now is to cement ourselves and a year in-year out national contender-not just a "cinderella" story. Saying that, we need the budget to do so, and hiking up prices to events is one way to do it. Small private school of maybe 4000 kids, it's tough to compete with the Division 1 budgets out there. This is just one way BC is trying to crunch the numbers to keep us on top. It's not a perfect science but I would venture to say this is the closest we have been to being year in year out top 25 contenders.

Sorry for the rant, hope it made sense. Great game yesterday
Yuma

Avon, IN

#15 Jan 27, 2008
Cement? A year-in year-out national contender? Butler is yet to be a national contender much less getting anything cemented year-in and year-out.

The wishful delusion of some of Butler's fans should not take away from the excellent accomplishments of this year's team.
WBrown Memphis

Memphis, TN

#16 Jan 27, 2008
Hey Yuma, don't be a hater, moron. Two sweet sixteens in the last four NCAA tournaments...more than any other team in Indiana can say. I live in SEC country, a great conference, and the teams here, besides Florida, are inconsistent year in and year out. Butler fields a competitive team, without near the resources, year in AND year out. Look at the facts before you rip what I am saying. I am making a point that the last two years have given us a chance to become a solid consistent contender EVERY year if the resources and talent are there. Period.

This is not a wishful delusion, it is fact. Who has the best team in Indiana the last few years...Butler. Why get on this board if you are going to just bash to make you feel better?
Yuma

Avon, IN

#17 Jan 27, 2008
You might want to check your facts Two sweet sixteens in the last four tournaments? Here's the record from :

2006-2007 Sweet Sixteen NCAA

2005-2006 NIT

2004-2005 13-15 No post season tournament

2003-2004 16-14 No post season tournament

2002-2003 Sweet Sixteen NCAA

2001-2002 NIT (they got hosed out of an at-large bid)

I'm anything but a hater. To be a contender for the national championship I'd say that a Final Four appearance would be required. I don't need to think in my mind that Butler is now cemented as a perpetual national contender to enjoy the team year after year, especially this year, maybe their best ever.
BU alumni up North

Rensselaer, IN

#18 Jan 27, 2008
Bulldog Nation:

Take a few days off and get ready for the most important game of the season!(Yes they all are--one game at a time..)

We need to stuf the ARC at Valpo and make it a home game for the 'Dogs--the way Xavier and Evansville used to do to us in the old MCC days.(yes I am showing my age--that's OK--just win baby!)

GO 'DOGS!
Section 4

Indianapolis, IN

#19 Jan 28, 2008
Stan wrote:
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IMHO their RPI will not get them a 3 seed. They'll be a five, unless they don't win the rest of their conference games, then it could be a 6.
Thanks to The Snub of a few years ago, the selection committees are paying less attention to RPI than they did in years past. Last year we got a 5 seed with an RPI that I am pretty sure was in the 30's. A 3 this year is within reach, if we can finish the season with just 3 or 4 losses total. A Bracketbuster win would also be huge and would give us one of those "good wins" the tournament committee lokks for.
Voice of Reason

Van Wert, OH

#20 Jan 28, 2008
Is Butler a community college? A 4 year school?

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