Should public, private schools meet? -

Should public, private schools meet? -

There are 305 comments on the Newsday story from Aug 21, 2007, titled Should public, private schools meet? -. In it, Newsday reports that:

QUESTION OF THE WEEK Newsday reporter Jason Molinet recently posed a question to Long Island coaches and administrators that countless fans would like to have answered.

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Marc

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#1 Aug 21, 2007
Before the PSAL (NYC's public high school sports governing body) adjusted the scheduling format of its football league, they allowed its teams to play one non-league game against the team of their choosing. If the schedules lined up, you'd have PSAL teams playing CHSAA teams in non-league games. Three years ago Brooklyn Tech (PSAL) played Xaverian. Tech led 12-0 after three quarters, but Xaverian came back with two TDs in the fourth for a 13-12 win. It turned out to be a great game. It's a shame the LI public schools don't allow their teams to play a non-league game.

As for the NYPHSAA's limit on number of games that can be played, that's a shame also. PSAL schools, including playoffs, can play up to 13 games. Nine regular season and four post season. Other states allow their football teams to play up to 15 games. LI is so far behind the times when it comes to football. It took forever just to come up with the LI championship games, which have been a huge success. Plus I think the LI public schools, for the most part, are afraid to play the CHSAA schools.
NCEAGLE

Charlotte, NC

#2 Aug 21, 2007
The Public School conferences are a joke now -- too many schools for a round robbin schedule. Conferences should be split in half which would allow a non-conference game.

As for the recruiting BS -- that is a fake (see NJ, upstate NY, Conn, Mass, Pa, etc.)

My impression is LI Public Schools are afraid to play anyone else (public or private)!!
Freeport fan

Bayonne, NJ

#3 Aug 21, 2007
Marc wrote:
Before the PSAL (NYC's public high school sports governing body) adjusted the scheduling format of its football league, they allowed its teams to play one non-league game against the team of their choosing. If the schedules lined up, you'd have PSAL teams playing CHSAA teams in non-league games. Three years ago Brooklyn Tech (PSAL) played Xaverian. Tech led 12-0 after three quarters, but Xaverian came back with two TDs in the fourth for a 13-12 win. It turned out to be a great game. It's a shame the LI public schools don't allow their teams to play a non-league game.
As for the NYPHSAA's limit on number of games that can be played, that's a shame also. PSAL schools, including playoffs, can play up to 13 games. Nine regular season and four post season. Other states allow their football teams to play up to 15 games. LI is so far behind the times when it comes to football. It took forever just to come up with the LI championship games, which have been a huge success. Plus I think the LI public schools, for the most part, are afraid to play the CHSAA schools.
Agreed with EVERYTHING you said here except for the last SILLY sentence.

Come on, are you serious?!

I can imagine the reverse being true among SOME teams, when it comes to playing Freeport, among others!

Too bad for ALL fans, because IT AINT EVER GONNA HAPPEN!!
Unbiased Div 1 Fan

United States

#4 Aug 21, 2007
Do it!! For the sake of the Hard work these teams put in. For instance Floyd who have 2 LIC championships under their belts. Get the state to approve one extra game!!! These kids deserve it. The banter that goes back and forth between public/private should be able to be brought to the field.!! Most public teams want it. ASK THEM!!!
Thats why

Warren, NJ

#5 Aug 21, 2007
the CHSFL teams should continue to search out, play out-of-state opponents, raise their level of play, and ignore the LI Publics. Why should the CHSFL care what the LI Publics do? Playing the LI Publics would be a step down in all aspects. Let them stay in their bubble, because that's what they want anyway.
Thats why

Warren, NJ

#6 Aug 21, 2007
The CHSFL should ignore the schoolyard pain-in-the-a_s(LI Publics). Who cares what they do? What good will come of a St. Anthony's/Chaminade/Holy Trinity beating up on Floyd/Bellport/Farmingdale? Won't help the CHSFL in anyway. Beating a LI Public won't impress anyone. It'll be like hitting a 35ft putt after getting to the green in 7, "Whip Cream on Sh_t!!".
Da Fan

Bronx, NY

#7 Aug 21, 2007
I will speak for Floyd and for Floyd only. No one in the CHSFL is beating up on Floyd. I am not saying teams like Chaminade or St Anthony's could not beat them but no one and I mean no one in the state of New York is beating up on them. I can guarantee the day after you play Floyd something will be hurting and its a good chance it might be your pride that hurts the most.
CHSFL

AOL

#8 Aug 21, 2007
The Public School Administrators are GUTLESS COWARDS....the players from both leagues want to play and they deserve the chance....Pizzerelli and the rest should be fired.
Buffalo Ave Bill

Stamford, CT

#9 Aug 21, 2007
NCEAGLE wrote:
The Public School conferences are a joke now -- too many schools for a round robbin schedule. Conferences should be split in half which would allow a non-conference game.
As for the recruiting BS -- that is a fake (see NJ, upstate NY, Conn, Mass, Pa, etc.)
My impression is LI Public Schools are afraid to play anyone else (public or private)!!
Hey Hot-shot, come on down to Cleveland Ave Field in Freeport, and we'll ALL see who's afraid of what!!!

TOOL!!!!!!!!!!
go get em Tex

Stamford, CT

#10 Aug 21, 2007
Thats why wrote:
The CHSFL should ignore the schoolyard pain-in-the-a_s(LI Publics). Who cares what they do? What good will come of a St. Anthony's/Chaminade/Holy Trinity beating up on Floyd/Bellport/Farmingdale? Won't help the CHSFL in anyway. Beating a LI Public won't impress anyone. It'll be like hitting a 35ft putt after getting to the green in 7, "Whip Cream on Sh_t!!".
Hey turd breath, whip cream can't cover YOUR stench!! Don't know what mind altering drugs you're on, but, an all star team of the CHSFL wouldn't "beat up on" any of the programs you TRIED to slam!

Just another "jock sniffing wannabe"
closest you are to football is your keypad on this post!!!
HSfan

Stamford, CT

#11 Aug 21, 2007
I'm a public school guy but I'm starting to really view these administrative decisions regarding LI football with embarassment. Our practices start only 3 days later than the rest of the state yet we can't align our schedule to play a non-league game or join the state playoffs. Instead, we play almost as many preseason scrimmages as NFL squads. We have a nationally recognized football program (St. Ants) right in Huntington yet won't allow our best public school teams a chance to play them. We have some natural rivalries that could develop such as Garden City-Chaminade but claim its impossible. At the same time we allow all other sports to play non-league games and play in states. Jeez, we even send a bowling team to Buffalo to compete in states (no offense to the bowlers out there but c'mon!) It just doesn't make sense.
YOU ARE RIGHT

Stamford, CT

#12 Aug 21, 2007
HSfan wrote:
I'm a public school guy but I'm starting to really view these administrative decisions regarding LI football with embarassment. Our practices start only 3 days later than the rest of the state yet we can't align our schedule to play a non-league game or join the state playoffs. Instead, we play almost as many preseason scrimmages as NFL squads. We have a nationally recognized football program (St. Ants) right in Huntington yet won't allow our best public school teams a chance to play them. We have some natural rivalries that could develop such as Garden City-Chaminade but claim its impossible. At the same time we allow all other sports to play non-league games and play in states. Jeez, we even send a bowling team to Buffalo to compete in states (no offense to the bowlers out there but c'mon!) It just doesn't make sense.
YOU'RE MY HERO!!! JEEEZ, ANYTHING that stops the BS from three CHSFL amigos!! Why not "LOBBY" for pre-season scrimmages"and see where it goes from there!!
CHSAAFBFAN

Greenfield, MA

#13 Aug 21, 2007
The Catholic vs. Private debate has been going on for years. Honestly if you would read the article you would see that most of the "public" school coaches shy away from playing private schools. People say that schools like chaminade and St Anthonys actively recruit however, that is not the case. Think about it then why wouldn't say Blair Baines want to come to St Anthony's where he would get more colleges recruiting him? The answer is simple cause St Anthony's doesn't actively recruit. Their recruiting goes as far as a summer sport camp for kids from say 6th grade to going into 9th. Cause if you are going to say that St. Anthony's and Chaminade recruit then why wouldn't they have anyone they wanted? Look at jersey Don Bosco can basically have any kid of their choosing because they actively recruit. Island private schools don't do that.
Now as for them playing... everyone knows the kids want to play. Cause I remember my senior year I wanted to play north babylon more than anything. They split the #1 Ranking on LI b/w us (St Anthony's) and them (north babylon). However, we never got to face off ever. Who suffers from that? The kids thats who. Look at it like this what does a private school have to gain beating a public school? Maybe a few more kids might want to give private school a shot? But, lets say a public school beat St. Anthony's the #24 team in the country last year. That win could put LI public schools on the map! However, as you can tell if you read the articles the coaches are too worried about the technicalities as opposed to ever making this happen.

Everyone knows it and so do the papers now. The Fans want it, the players want it, the ELITE teams want it (ex st anthonys, floyd) but, the ADMINISTRATORS DONT!!!!!
Da Fan

Bronx, NY

#14 Aug 21, 2007
HSfan wrote:
I'm a public school guy but I'm starting to really view these administrative decisions regarding LI football with embarassment. Our practices start only 3 days later than the rest of the state yet we can't align our schedule to play a non-league game or join the state playoffs. Instead, we play almost as many preseason scrimmages as NFL squads. We have a nationally recognized football program (St. Ants) right in Huntington yet won't allow our best public school teams a chance to play them. We have some natural rivalries that could develop such as Garden City-Chaminade but claim its impossible. At the same time we allow all other sports to play non-league games and play in states. Jeez, we even send a bowling team to Buffalo to compete in states (no offense to the bowlers out there but c'mon!) It just doesn't make sense.
Well said. Its an absolute joke. I dont know why they are so against change. It almost makes you wonder if someone is lining their pockets to keep things the same, because it makes no sense not to make the current system better. Its one thing to say its impossible to fit into the state system because of the numbers on Long Island but there is no reason why the powers that be allow for 2 non league games each year.
Freeport fan

Bayonne, NJ

#15 Aug 22, 2007
Da Fan wrote:
<quoted text>
Well said. Its an absolute joke. I dont know why they are so against change. It almost makes you wonder if someone is lining their pockets to keep things the same, because it makes no sense not to make the current system better. Its one thing to say its impossible to fit into the state system because of the numbers on Long Island but there is no reason why the powers that be allow for 2 non league games each year.
Well stated gentlemen!!
Glad I moved

South Beloit, IL

#16 Aug 22, 2007
Eliminate the "Catholic League" and put them in with the "Public League". Is either side so much better that they can't compete? Both leagues become part of the regular league and conference schedule and will have to meet and beat everyone else. Nassau schools go to Section VII and Suffolk to Section XI. It can be a level field. Egos might get hurt when those who think they are big boys wind up having to lick their wounds. It can be done for all sports, state wide, not just football in Suffolk and Nassau.
Marc

AOL

#17 Aug 22, 2007
Glad I moved wrote:
Eliminate the "Catholic League" and put them in with the "Public League". Is either side so much better that they can't compete? Both leagues become part of the regular league and conference schedule and will have to meet and beat everyone else. Nassau schools go to Section VII and Suffolk to Section XI. It can be a level field. Egos might get hurt when those who think they are big boys wind up having to lick their wounds. It can be done for all sports, state wide, not just football in Suffolk and Nassau.
Unfortunately that won't happen. At least not in the forseeable future. I think there are too many public school coaches who think CHSAA schools recruit and that the playing field isn't level. And first thing first. We have to get the NYSPHSAA to add an extra game.
Glad I moved

South Beloit, IL

#18 Aug 22, 2007
It is reasonable for the coaches and the public to think that about the recruiting and a level playing field on the surface. I don't think the extra game is needed, I think the leagues would need to be realigned, just like if there were some HS's that made a north and south or east and west. Suffolk adjusted to the Sachem and Smithown adjustments.

The switch would cause the level of all athletics to rise. What innovative techniques would a public school coach bring to their program to beat a CHSAA? To make the regular kid believe in themself at a younger age, to build a program of new heights and traditions, starting with youth interest at a youung age? To convince parents that there are equal opportunities in the public HS program and get their support both verbally and financially? Seems that the field for playing is the same length, all the pads are made by the same company. What is the difference?
Marc

AOL

#19 Aug 22, 2007
Glad I moved wrote:
It is reasonable for the coaches and the public to think that about the recruiting and a level playing field on the surface. I don't think the extra game is needed, I think the leagues would need to be realigned, just like if there were some HS's that made a north and south or east and west. Suffolk adjusted to the Sachem and Smithown adjustments.
The switch would cause the level of all athletics to rise. What innovative techniques would a public school coach bring to their program to beat a CHSAA? To make the regular kid believe in themself at a younger age, to build a program of new heights and traditions, starting with youth interest at a youung age? To convince parents that there are equal opportunities in the public HS program and get their support both verbally and financially? Seems that the field for playing is the same length, all the pads are made by the same company. What is the difference?
That sounds good, but you still have to convince parents that a public school education is on the same level as a Catholic education. And that their child's chance of getting a scholarship at a public school is the same as if they were at a Catholic school.

As for adding an extra game, there are only eight regular season games. There are only two ways you could get away with having one non-league game and not adding an extra game. One way is to shorten the regular season by one game. The other is to eliminate a playoff round. The LI public schools don't play enough games as it. So I don't see either of those two scenarios happening anytime soon.

Since: Feb 07

Webster, NY

#20 Aug 22, 2007
When I went to St. Anthony's we had an All-State Tight End who was allegedly recruited. At least that was what the neighboring coaches said (Northport, Sachem). Only problem was that his brother went there plus his father and uncle. Our coaches went to great lengths and Nostradamus-like foresight to "Recruit" him. Northport and Sachem wouldn't even scrimmage with us. I see they are currently sticking to the same tactics they used on us. The only schools that would sack up were Bellport, Floyd and Connetquot. Bellport was the preseason #1 team in the state and we handled them. We did fairly well against the other two also.

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