Typical Terps

There are 74 comments on the Baltimore Sun story from Mar 14, 2008, titled Typical Terps. In it, Baltimore Sun reports that:

Of course, they blew it. When time passes, the tears dry and we learn that no matter what your mom said, you could grimace all night and your face doesn't actually freeze that way, we'll look back at this ...

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John

AOL

#61 Mar 14, 2008
money taks and bs walks
Gary I love the guy same as Lefty they got us to a point we need to go forward or stop spending the money
John

AOL

#62 Mar 14, 2008
what is wrong with you folks
this is hard
we need to get onto a winner
turtleu can win
they need to go to next level
they go everything (except washington post) that any athlete needs
we need a new AD, football coach, bball coach and mens lacrosse coach
money talks and bs walks
Nice Rationalization

Prague, Czech Republic

#63 Mar 14, 2008
TerpFanatic wrote:
TomG should face the fact
that Dook and UNC diplomas are not coveted by everyone. I would not want to be associated with the brand of snobbery (sports and other kind). The lacrosse player scandal at Dook exposed them to be just as stooopid and prone to off the court immaturity as any others (which truly intelligent folks aleady knew, by the way). As far as on the court: you could place a gorilla in the chair where Rat Face sits and it would win games. Give me what Gary does any day of the week as the essence of teaching and coaching- he finds diamonds in the rough and brings them to their potential. It's like the difference between a baker who uses a mix (Coach K) and one who makes the cake by scratch (Gary).
Let's take a little mix instead of scratching our shorts all off season. Your obsession with Duke is childish and ridiculous. Who is having more fun this year- Duke fans, even with a couple losses or you, sitting around whining about Duke and thinking the NIT is just peachy. And the Rat Face and gorilla comments? It's absolutely clear that you think the Duke players are superior. Do you think they decided to go to Durham in spite of the coach there? Gawd awmighty- watch Gary on the sidelines and be amazed his head hasn't exploded. You are devoid of logic, and very clearly insane.
fkterp

Miami, FL

#64 Mar 14, 2008
Ed in Philly wrote:
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Mike Brey, Oliver Purnell, Brenda Frese (all with ties to Maryland)
Gary - Leave with your dignity.
mike brey was born in bethesda but went to george washington. might as well list tubby smith. he was born and raised on the eastern shore and wanted to come to md. by the way, mike brey really hasn't done much at n.d. how about bruce pearl? i'm sure he has driven through maryland.
dacoitdan

Quinton, VA

#65 Mar 14, 2008
I didn't expect too much from the Terps this year. The NC win was nice, but I have learned not to get my hopes up. Gary Williams is a GREAT coach. Shame on you for thinking replacing him will improve our prospects. Just like the O's have NY and Boston to compete with, we have Duke and NC. There is no draft in college basketball. How many JC transfers are on Duke or NC? We get what's left after these two get the first 5 picks every year. The next 2 years should be better, though, I hope. Gist (a skinny 4 year project), a JC transfer, 6 freshmen and two soph guards. What the hell do you people expect from Gary? We already had the damn miracle.
Dequincey

United States

#66 Mar 14, 2008
Mark wrote:
I brought this up after the Virginia game, but it was borne out again in the game last night. Gist has a physical malady that nobody talks about that is 100% responsible for the way he goes from great in the first half to nowhere in the second half. I had the same problem as a player and have watched him struggle with it all year. He has a very severe case of calf muscle cramping that keeps him from being able to jump for a rebound, make a quick cut to cover a defender or block a shot, or land on his feet on balance after attempting a jump shot. I had the same problem, and it's a problem that can't be shaken off during the course of a game once the first cramp occurs. I could always run for hours on end, as long as I didn't have to sit down for an extended period of time to the point that my muscles would cool down. Gist has this problem, and it's obvious that it happens after he has to stop running at halftime. He has no legs at all in the second half, and it's not a matter of lack of effort. In the Virginia game, on the play where he didn't make a move to stop the guy on the fast break from getting to the basket, it was because he simply couldn't cut. It's like having lead feet. When his legs aren't cramping, he's a completely different player. He can't even attempt to block a shot once his legs are gone, and he never attempts to go inside once the cramps set in. He stands around on the perimeter and only looks for his jumper, which is rendered completely ineffective because he can't jump without falling down. It happened twice in the last two games. You jump for the jump shot and your calves knot up before you even hit the ground, leaving your toes pointed at the floor, so you fall backwards when you land. It's a hydration/exhaustion issue. I suspect it's more exhaustion in his case from being overused. It's been a long season without much relief from the bench.
His physical ailments don't account for 25 turnovers, but that's another issue. Greivis Vasquez is a square peg trying to fit into a round point guard hole. He and Hays have topped out, raw talent wise. They'll never be quick enough or possess the ball handling or decision making skills to excel in the ACC. Greivis is an overachiever, being pushed beyond his capabilities out of necessity. Hopefully the guard situation will improve with the addition of Sean Mosley next year.
Thanks for a well-observed and intelligent post. I had noticed the same thing, but without understanding it as you do. It seemed like a failing of the trainers to allow Gist to become dehydrated. Why not shower him with electrolytes? If cooling off at half time is a problem, why not use hot water bottles on him, to keep him loose? Perhaps, having gone through something similar, you know more about the incidence of this problem and how it can be avoided?

It seems to me that with intelligent management it could have been minimized.

Also, I agree completely about Vasquez. You only have to watch him for a few moments to realize that he is entirely miscast as a point guard. Since he obviously is not fast enough to stay with players like Rice, why not go to a zone defense to plug up the lane?

I don't know how to evaluate the complaints that Williams doesn't get the most out of players because he shouts at them. I think it would be useful to hear from potential Maryland recruits who got away. I'd also like to see the sports writers ask Williams about Gist's cramping as well as why he sticks with Vasquez, who makes so many bad decisions with the ball that he might as well have rocks in his head.

My final observation is that we never seem to do very well in the NIT. Seems like the players want to lose, which was also the impression conveyed by some of the epic collapses at the end of the season.
Don Clewley

Albemarle, NC

#67 Mar 15, 2008
As a Terp Grad, I think this was a terrible season, but remember we started off bad. Ironically, it wasn't until we hit the ACC stride did we have renewed hope.

I believe the core of the problem is player conditioning. If you have ever played basketball, once you get winded your game falters. You don't run as fast, think as quick or maintain mental agility.

Gary Williams is still one of the best coaches in NCAA. Perhaps if he added an improved conditioning program, the Terps could finish what they start.
Don Clewley

Albemarle, NC

#68 Mar 15, 2008
I also hear that the knuckle-head fans in the DC/Baltimore area are seeking Coach William's head.

Fools.

Do you want another drought of lousy coaching. Even Lefty wasn't a good coach - he was a good recruiter.

Coach takes good High School and JUCO players and cobbles a team that can run with anyone - every year.

Gary took those cobbled together players and got us a National Championship. Perhaps those of you who are fickle should root for another team. A real Terp fan appreciates Gary Williams.

I am glad I no longer live in the DC/Baltimore area - home of the most Sardonic fans. I can name dozens of teams that would LOVE to have Gary Williams as their head coach.
Mark

Washington, DC

#69 Mar 15, 2008
Dequincey wrote:
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Thanks for a well-observed and intelligent post. I had noticed the same thing, but without understanding it as you do. It seemed like a failing of the trainers to allow Gist to become dehydrated. Why not shower him with electrolytes? If cooling off at half time is a problem, why not use hot water bottles on him, to keep him loose? Perhaps, having gone through something similar, you know more about the incidence of this problem and how it can be avoided?
It seems to me that with intelligent management it could have been minimized.
Also, I agree completely about Vasquez. You only have to watch him for a few moments to realize that he is entirely miscast as a point guard. Since he obviously is not fast enough to stay with players like Rice, why not go to a zone defense to plug up the lane?
I don't know how to evaluate the complaints that Williams doesn't get the most out of players because he shouts at them. I think it would be useful to hear from potential Maryland recruits who got away. I'd also like to see the sports writers ask Williams about Gist's cramping as well as why he sticks with Vasquez, who makes so many bad decisions with the ball that he might as well have rocks in his head.
My final observation is that we never seem to do very well in the NIT. Seems like the players want to lose, which was also the impression conveyed by some of the epic collapses at the end of the season.
I've wondered about about how the training staff tries to manage Gist's leg problems too. I've watched them force feed the fluids to him while he gets massaged on the bench, so I know they're trying to deal with it. Some players, unfortunately, are more prone to these problems than others, and in Gist's case, it appears to be severe to the point of being chronic. Gary (or no coach for that matter) is ever going to discuss or even acknowledge a problem like this while a player is still on the team, because if it becomes common knowledge, it's a weakness that could be exploited by other teams (and I think we've just seen that) and ultimately effect the player's perceived value as an NBA draft pick if he has that kind of talent.
TerpFanatic

Pasadena, MD

#70 Mar 15, 2008
Nice Rationalization wrote:
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Let's take a little mix instead of scratching our shorts all off season. Your obsession with Duke is childish and ridiculous. Who is having more fun this year- Duke fans, even with a couple losses or you, sitting around whining about Duke and thinking the NIT is just peachy. And the Rat Face and gorilla comments? It's absolutely clear that you think the Duke players are superior. Do you think they decided to go to Durham in spite of the coach there? Gawd awmighty- watch Gary on the sidelines and be amazed his head hasn't exploded. You are devoid of logic, and very clearly insane.
Calm down there, fella. I am not obsessed. Obsession with Duke looks like Dick Vitale. I toss in an occasional comment when our Carolina friends play the "we're so much smarter than everyone" card. I actually had a great time this season - grateful for the games MD won that they were not supposed to and that they finished within a game of where they were picked pre-season in the conference (picked 5 finished 6). He actually had them playing above their talent level, I think. I am sure Duke fans are having fun too- and they have a terrific team THIS year (though they are equally hyped up by the media whether they are great or not so great). I did not try to answer for why Duke players choose to go to Durham. I simply stated that you can't assume everyone feels as star struck by Coach RF. He is actually a turn off to some people-same as you find Gary on the sidelines to be a turnoff. The final irony for me is that you criticize Gary for sideline antics - do you feel the same way about Coach K's hero - Bobby Knight? Now there's a real person to admire for sideline behavior- but that's another thread, I'm afraid. Peace.
Bye Bye Gary

Frederick, MD

#71 Mar 16, 2008
Dear Gary, it's time to hang up your sweaty suits and go join the pinochle gang at the country club.
The game of college basketball has passed you by. You do realize that there is a three point line now don't you?(Where's Brian Magid when you need him? LOL). And about recruiting. There are some great young players in Maryland that end up on the rosters of schools all over the country. Why aren't they coming to Maryland? Because they don't like you. You don't relate. You're irrelevant.
See you at the card tables.
Eddie

Southampton, PA

#72 Mar 16, 2008
To all Garys defenders who feel the need to criticize Lefty to prop up Gary, check your history.

Lefty was terrific in his early years including 2 Elite 8's. He also coached his best teams in an era when if you didn't win the ACC Tournament, you didn't make it to the NCAA's. We didn't win the ACCs in 2002, did we. Draw yor own conclusions.

Lefty just hung around too long and in killed his legacy for many fans.

Gary is in danger of doing the same thing. We are more likely to remember the 2005-20?? years with Gary than the 1994-2002 years.

Gary leave with you legacy in tact. There is no shame in working as hard as you did to reach the pinnacle and then acknowledging that you don't have the edge or the desire to continue working that hard to get there again. There is shame in faking it and driving the program off a cliff in denial by holding on too long.

I am a fan of the Maryland Terrapins but that doesn't mean I have to support Gary. Maryland had a strong history before Gary and will have one after Gary. Gary is not the program; they are not on and the same.
TerpFanatic

Pasadena, MD

#73 Mar 16, 2008
Eddie wrote:
To all Garys defenders who feel the need to criticize Lefty to prop up Gary, check your history.
Lefty was terrific in his early years including 2 Elite 8's. He also coached his best teams in an era when if you didn't win the ACC Tournament, you didn't make it to the NCAA's. We didn't win the ACCs in 2002, did we. Draw yor own conclusions.
Lefty just hung around too long and in killed his legacy for many fans.
Gary is in danger of doing the same thing. We are more likely to remember the 2005-20?? years with Gary than the 1994-2002 years.
Gary leave with you legacy in tact. There is no shame in working as hard as you did to reach the pinnacle and then acknowledging that you don't have the edge or the desire to continue working that hard to get there again. There is shame in faking it and driving the program off a cliff in denial by holding on too long.
I am a fan of the Maryland Terrapins but that doesn't mean I have to support Gary. Maryland had a strong history before Gary and will have one after Gary. Gary is not the program; they are not on and the same.
I am a total Lefty supporter- I disagree that he stayed on too long. The greatest talent to play the game, some say, had just gone through his program- Lenny Bias. Not to mention all the other talented players around him...Lefty was not some aging has been -he was going strong, and Maryland sacrificed him to politics. What Maryland did to Lefty was disgraceful. I know, I know all the old arguments - but those of us who have been around long enough understood what really happened. It took years, well after Gary arrived- before the shame of what Md did to Lefty started to diminish - and Gary's use of Chuck as assistant is a healing gesture. Which is why I am not so quick to call for Gary's head. Not yet. And which is why I think the current crew deserves a chance. Like Lefty, Gary deserves more support than the fair weather crowd is giving. I am willing to suspend judgement at least till he recovers from the great-assistant-coach- exodus. Gary stuck with us through YEARS of sanctions from NCAA play and started with a decimated program at a time when he could have named his coaching ticket anywhere in the country. Let's give him at least the same courtesy for as long as he needs to break in his new team and give them some recruiting cycles.

AS one who lived through the taking down of one legendary coach already at UM (and all the residual crap it would attract), just be careful what you ask for...we cycled a good 10 to 12 years before we seeing anything near what we had been used to...
Sparky

Baltimore, MD

#74 Apr 2, 2008
TerpFanatic wrote:
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Calm down there, fella. I am not obsessed. Obsession with Duke looks like Dick Vitale. I toss in an occasional comment when our Carolina friends play the "we're so much smarter than everyone" card. I actually had a great time this season - grateful for the games MD won that they were not supposed to and that they finished within a game of where they were picked pre-season in the conference (picked 5 finished 6). He actually had them playing above their talent level, I think. I am sure Duke fans are having fun too- and they have a terrific team THIS year (though they are equally hyped up by the media whether they are great or not so great). I did not try to answer for why Duke players choose to go to Durham. I simply stated that you can't assume everyone feels as star struck by Coach RF. He is actually a turn off to some people-same as you find Gary on the sidelines to be a turnoff. The final irony for me is that you criticize Gary for sideline antics - do you feel the same way about Coach K's hero - Bobby Knight? Now there's a real person to admire for sideline behavior- but that's another thread, I'm afraid. Peace.
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