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What will it take for Boise State to leave the WAC

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AirForce Joe

Alamogordo, NM

#1 Sep 28, 2006
I am a big Boise State fan and college football fan; but i dont know much about the conference rules. Does any body know what it will take for us to move on to a least the MWC. I want Boise to to go the PAC-10 (PAC-12); but i think if we can get to the MWC that would inprove our respect level tremendously.
Blue

Omaha, NE

#2 Sep 28, 2006
I think the main thing holding Boise State back is academics. They could probably fare well in the MWC, and it would probably help them; but I don't think they are up to par for the PAC 10. They certainly are no Stanford.
BSU Stud

Meridian, ID

#3 Sep 30, 2006
Blue wrote:
I think the main thing holding Boise State back is academics. They could probably fare well in the MWC, and it would probably help them; but I don't think they are up to par for the PAC 10. They certainly are no Stanford.
NOT-everything has to do with money. BSU will need a stadium expantion to get more dollars generated. They are going to be the next TCU-even though we beat them before.(he he). If BSU keeps this up, they will move to a different conference but I hope not the MW because it really isn't the best for BSU 11-0 VS. MW. BSU should make the stride to get into the PAC-10...
SHANE

United States

#4 Oct 3, 2006
THE ONLY WAY FOR BOISE TO HIT THE PAC-10 IS THEY WOULD HAVE TO EXPAND THE COFERENCE, AND BOISE WOULD DEFINATELY HAVE TO EXPAND THE STADIUM
Grumbler

Boise, ID

#5 Oct 4, 2006
Keep in mind that the PAC-10 has wealthy alumni boosters along with larger stadiums and lucrative tv contacts compared to the WAC.

BSU cannot compete with USC, Cal, UCLA, and so forth when it comes to recruiting the top high school and JC players in the country.

Personally, I think BSU should remain in the WAC which features some emerging football programs that could well become giant killers (beating PAC-10 teams).

I have tremendous respect for the BSU football program, coaches, staff, players, and fans. It's an exciting team to watch.

In fact, they've displaced my beloved S.F. 49ers as my favorite football team.:-)
enemy of the people

Benson, NC

#6 Oct 5, 2006
Boise State could easily compete for recruits with PAC 10 teams if they had a competitive stadium and basketball arena. After all, they already get recruits from California and could easily get better kids even regionally if they were playing the big boys instead of the chumps in the WAC.

I live in Raleigh, NC and folow North Carolina State (my wife has two degrees from there). We have Florida State coming in on Saturday. We played BC and we will play Maryland, Georgia Tech and Clemson soon. In basketball we play the creme of the nation's basketball teams every year in a top level arena.

The point is, every step up costs money. I was born and raised in Idaho. I have two degrees from Boise State. One thing I have brought with me from Idaho to North Carolina is the understanding that you have to invest in yourself to advance. So too does Idaho and by connection, Boise State.

If you seriously want to compete on the national stage, you have to invest in the choices that will get your there. Otherwise, stay in the WAC or the MWC and be satisfied with the crumbs you get from the table.
AirForce Joe

Alamogordo, NM

#7 Oct 5, 2006
I have to agree; the WAC is to little. In a good year we get 3 teams to a bowl that pays out a combined (table scraps). As i think the MWC is a step up and something i am ready to accept for now (3 to 4 year). The PAC-12 must be our goal.
CWC

Salt Lake City, UT

#8 Oct 6, 2006
Tell me why moving to the Mountain West would be a step up for the Broncos? The MWChas that rinky dink TV network that viewers have to pay extra to get. BSU and Fresno State get more national exposure on ESPN than MWC teams get. Joining the MWC means most TV viewers will never see you.

As has been stated, the PAC-10 would have to expand to 12 teams AND BSU would have to expand its stadium to at least 40-50,000.
If BSU can keep in the national spotlight spotlight a few years and beat PAC 10 teams besides Oregon State on a fairly regular basis, it might have a chance to move up some day.
Blue

Bakersfield, CA

#9 Oct 6, 2006
The MWC is a better conference than the WAC. As a whole MWC teams have been much more dominant against BCS teams than the WAC. BYU and Utah both have had seasons and teams that were nearly the best in the nation (BYU won a national championship albeit was in the WAC at the time). But the academics in the MWC blow the WAC away. There is just more power in the MWC. Their tv schedule is bad this year, but they are investing in the future. It is anticipated that next year many more cable and satelite companies will carry the Versus network around the nation. We'll see. For now, I'm enjoying WAC play. It is kind of nice to avoid all the political garbage that is associated with the BCS schools (and the MWC). I just like to watch good football.
AirForce Joe

Alamogordo, NM

#10 Oct 6, 2006
CWC wrote:
Tell me why moving to the Mountain West would be a step up for the Broncos? The MWChas that rinky dink TV network that viewers have to pay extra to get. BSU and Fresno State get more national exposure on ESPN than MWC teams get. Joining the MWC means most TV viewers will never see you.
As has been stated, the PAC-10 would have to expand to 12 teams AND BSU would have to expand its stadium to at least 40-50,000.
If BSU can keep in the national spotlight spotlight a few years and beat PAC 10 teams besides Oregon State on a fairly regular basis, it might have a chance to move up some day.
I believe it has a lot to do with strength of schedule; look at the difference.

WAC: San Jose St, Idaho, Utah St. New Mexico St, Louisana Tech. Even Hawaii plays week years (some strong, but most week).
or
MWC: Utah(BCS champs), BYU(1 national title), TCU(known small school powerhouse), New Mexico, San Diego St(bad year but generally plays better), Air Force(Hooray for the home team, Okay a little bias but they have played top 25 football in the past).
The bottom line is the MWC can beat the WAC (with the excpetion of Boise St. and Fresno St) 9 out of 10 times, with that one loss probably coming from Hawaii.)
I believe the cable contracts would change once we entered the MWC and I also believe the PAC-10 has their nose too high in the Air. I really want the PAC-12; as a matter a fact i posted this topic about Boise St and Fresno State entering the PAC 10 creating the North and South conferences and creating a championship game. I just dont believe the stuck up PAC-10 will change with out being forced. Do you remember the Rose bowl publisizing that "they dont want small schools like Boise State coming to their prestiges bowl?"
bronco kevin

United States

#11 Oct 11, 2006
I have an idea, take the bottom feeders from the mwc put them in the wac. then take the top teams from the wac put them in the mwc. that woul make a supue mid major confrence that woult get respect from the bcs.
Trace Skeen

Newport News, VA

#12 Oct 12, 2006
CWC wrote:
Tell me why moving to the Mountain West would be a step up for the Broncos? The MWChas that rinky dink TV network that viewers have to pay extra to get. BSU and Fresno State get more national exposure on ESPN than MWC teams get. Joining the MWC means most TV viewers will never see you.
As has been stated, the PAC-10 would have to expand to 12 teams AND BSU would have to expand its stadium to at least 40-50,000.
If BSU can keep in the national spotlight spotlight a few years and beat PAC 10 teams besides Oregon State on a fairly regular basis, it might have a chance to move up some day.
It is not just about the stadium, scholastics and market density also play into attraction to both MWC and PAC-10. Even if you include Mountain Home, Boise State is unlikely to demonstrate the ingredients to move into either MWC or PAC-10. It was interesting to note that the massive market of Fort Worth was unable to fill the stadium for the key game between BYU and TCU a couple of weeks ago. BSU is best served by continuing to be a Giant Killer.
AirForce Joe

Alamogordo, NM

#13 Oct 13, 2006
The only problem with being a Giant killer in the WAC is how many chances will you get per year? I can tell you it will not be enough chances to make a BCS appearance year after year. The WAC is to weak.
Jake

Alpine, UT

#14 Dec 3, 2006
I think Boise st might be OK where they're at. The MWC would be a little better, but they'd still be on the outside looking in, as far as major conferences.
I'd personally love to see them play Utah, BYU, and TCU on a regular basis, but that's just me. I don't see the pac 10 expanding, besides, who'd be the other team they'd add if they went to 12?
puffdoggy

Ukraine

#15 Dec 3, 2006
Anyway guys the system worked pretty good. I mean the Broncs did make it to the Fiesta, True the Broncs don't get much respect by those who don't watch, but that's just ignorance. The people who knock the Broncs just don't know much about college football or they don't know how to spot a kick-ass team. But they will on Jan.2nd. And how 'bout USC losing and only puting up 9 points...goes to show you how good these experts are. ROCK THE FIESTA and gods speed to all Bronco fans....puffy
AirForce Joe

Alamogordo, NM

#16 Dec 4, 2006
Jake wrote:
I think Boise st might be OK where they're at. The MWC would be a little better, but they'd still be on the outside looking in, as far as major conferences.
I'd personally love to see them play Utah, BYU, and TCU on a regular basis, but that's just me. I don't see the pac 10 expanding, besides, who'd be the other team they'd add if they went to 12?
You could go a number of directions. I believe first choose to move to the PAC-12 would be Fresno St or TCU. Over the past 4/5 years those two teams have showed the best. If neither team could do it then Utah or BYU. In the Air Force I debate with many college football fans and a lot of trash talking does come out. I defended/felt BYU was disrepected alot this year. It wasnt until the season was almost over that the polls started moving them up. BYU has a great season.
melis

Bethesda, MD

#17 Jul 27, 2007
Blue wrote:
I think the main thing holding Boise State back is academics. They could probably fare well in the MWC, and it would probably help them; but I don't think they are up to par for the PAC 10. They certainly are no Stanford.
what?????? THAT is what is keeping them from the PAC-10???

I went to Boise State, worked my ass off, got a 4.0, went to law school in DC, and am about to start a job as a lawyer in Virginia. Don't tell me Boise State's academics aren't up to par. You probably went to Idaho. I'm sure you know a lot about farming.
Joe

AOL

#18 Jul 27, 2007
GET EM!!! GO BSU!!!
melis wrote:
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what?????? THAT is what is keeping them from the PAC-10???
I went to Boise State, worked my ass off, got a 4.0, went to law school in DC, and am about to start a job as a lawyer in Virginia. Don't tell me Boise State's academics aren't up to par. You probably went to Idaho. I'm sure you know a lot about farming.
Luigi

Chaska, MN

#19 Jul 29, 2007
Boise State doesn't have to leave the WAC to get a title bid, they just have to play harder teams. It's not by chance that Ohio State and Texas met each of the last 2 years--and the winner of each meeting ended up in the title game. Every year someone will complain--usually the number 3 team that doesn't get the bid, but last year after Boise won, they were clamoring to play Florida for the title. Badger fans were also upset over not getting a BCS bid. Every single coach in the NCAA-F knows that strength of schedule is the ulimate factor in deciding who is playing in the title game at the end of the year. There are no excuses.
Joe

AOL

#20 Jul 29, 2007
Luigi wrote:
Boise State doesn't have to leave the WAC to get a title bid, they just have to play harder teams. It's not by chance that Ohio State and Texas met each of the last 2 years--and the winner of each meeting ended up in the title game. Every year someone will complain--usually the number 3 team that doesn't get the bid, but last year after Boise won, they were clamoring to play Florida for the title. Badger fans were also upset over not getting a BCS bid. Every single coach in the NCAA-F knows that strength of schedule is the ulimate factor in deciding who is playing in the title game at the end of the year. There are no excuses.
I agree one day long ago strength of schedule had something to do with it. I now believe how popular you school is (defined as how much money your sports director can throw around at big time parties), proof of this is the 2007 out of conference schedule for Texas: Arkansas St, TCU, Central Florida, and Rice. Ohio St: Youngstown St, Akron, Washington, and Northwestern. 2006 wasnt any better ( I didnt look hard but I didnt find it) yes Texas played Ohio St, then Fort Sam Houston??? Is that a 1-AAA school?

Yes strength of schedule should play a part and it does, a minor part. But no-body can deny that how popular and rich you are also plays a part.

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