Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#207254 Jan 24, 2014
wilderide wrote:
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Sounds like presuppositional apologetics: "let's just assume that the Abrahamic God exists and work from there". The fun thing about that is that it opens the door to every other deity which has been claimed to exist too. There isn't any way to rationalize the existence of Yahweh without likewise allowing every other god too.
And what about the atheist apologetic point of view that says "let's just say that the Abrahamic God doesn't exist and we'll work from there"?

Since: May 09

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#207255 Jan 24, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Why did you capitalize "atheists" like you did?
Just to irritate you and HIM.

Since: Sep 08

La Veta, CO

#207256 Jan 24, 2014
http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi...

Business and political leaders would not make a statement like that, or work toward. They are too busy trying to stay at the top of the heap.

Society needs a conscience.

IANS and Topix atheists don't qualify.

Since: Sep 11

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#207257 Jan 24, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I can't see this quote from Phil R as insensitive at all.
“I never, with my eyes, saw the mistreatment of any black person, not once. Where we lived was all farmers. The blacks worked for the farmers. I hoed cotton with them. I’m with the blacks, because we’re white trash. We’re going across the field.... They’re singing and happy. I never heard one of them, one black person, say,‘I tell you what: These doggone white people’—not a word!... Pre-entitlement, pre-welfare, you say: Were they happy? They were godly; they were happy; no one was singing the blues.”
Really? There are several problems.

First, he is inferring that because he knew a few black people who seemed happy in public, that means:

1 - that their public persona was an accurate reflection of their private feelings caused by pre civil rights oppression

2 - that even if they were, that his experience can be extrapolated to all black people, and

3 - that it is appropriate for him to speak for an entire people that he is not a part of, and gloss over the real problems of the time with "they were godly" and "happy."

Also, with his "pre entitlement, pre welfare" comment, he disparages the entire race. This comment hinges on the notion that today, most black people mooch off the government, which simply isn't true, and that they were better off in jim crow days.

If you don't see the problem with those comments, I don't know what to say to you.

Since: Jan 13

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#207258 Jan 24, 2014
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Except we don't know if god exists.
Yes we do, I know it and you know it, how do I know that? The one who knows all things has told us so.

Should I believe Him or you?

Since: Sep 08

La Veta, CO

#207259 Jan 24, 2014
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Except we don't know if god exists.
Very weak response.

You don't know if "gravity"exists, either. Something makes you stick to the chair, though.

And after Thousands of years of arguments the consensus is one does exists. It even made "gravity".

Since: Apr 09

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#207260 Jan 24, 2014
mtimber wrote:
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Where do you get your moral standard from?
Can your worldview account for the existence of absolute morality?
You don't seem willing to share your own worldview however?
Tedium, thy name is mtimber.

Since: May 09

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#207261 Jan 24, 2014
scaritual wrote:<quoted text> Now we know why a supreme being would turn itself human just to sacrifice itself to itself to save its own creations from the wrath of itself.
wilderide wrote:
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Oh come on, when you put it that way you make it sound crazy.
... In a similar way that Christians say "love the sinner, hate the sin", when they speak about non Christians....

I subscribe to "inform the ignorant, to eliminate ignorance", when it comes to Christianity.

Since: Apr 09

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#207262 Jan 24, 2014
mtimber wrote:
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So where did the absolute moral absolute that lying is wrong come from?
As a Christian I can account for it, but where do you get it from if not Christianity?
Do you get some bible prize if you ask the same question 1,000 times?

Since: May 09

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#207263 Jan 24, 2014
Dave Nelson wrote:
Let's do a little thought exercise about existing, knowledge, the future of mankind, etc, etc.
Now you have to put yourself into this little portal of peering out into reality scenario. You aren't just reading and pondering, you would be experiencing it.
You have to cross some train tracks to get where you want to go. There is a train approaching in the distance,a big old slow freight. Plenty of time to get across.
You get in the middle of the tracks and you think you hear a rattlesnake. You freeze. You look around and see a motion on the ground and instinctively jump. Unfortunately your foot slips and gets wedged under a cross tie, and you twist as you fall and it really gets stuck. You did something that takes a tremendous amount of talent.
Of course, since you are laying on the tracks and you think you just heard a snake and saw one you immediately look around for it in a sort of panicked mode.
Then you notice the piece of black plastic bag that was caught on the track. And your cellphone, which was set on vibrate goes off again, vibrating something in your purse or briefcase.
Jeez, you kinda feel like a dummy.
But your foot is still stuck and you are laying on the tracks.
And you look up and noticed that freight train is about 5 seconds away. Gee, it looks big at that distance. Really big.
So. Whatcha gonna think about for the next 5 seconds?
Suing the railroad for sloppy maintenance?
Darwin's theory of evolution?
Carl Sagan's universe?
Those nasty assed homophobes, racists, and bigots on Topix?
The poor endangered snail darter?
The glorious future of mankind led by the scientific method?
Uh oh. it kinda don't look like that train is gonna stop.
Did anyone on this thread read any of the above?
Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#207264 Jan 24, 2014
The Mars Rover found something very interesting the other day. A jelly filled donut “rock” just materialized. The camera had taken a picture of that area before and there was no jelly donut. And 12 days later, there it was.

NASA is wondering how did this happen? They have some ideas but there’re not really positive. I think God is having some fun with NASA.

“After a decade on the Martian surface, you might think that NASA's Opportunity rover has seen it all. But just before the 10th anniversary of the rover's landing, its operators got a surprise treat: a weird rock "materialized" right in front of the rover's wheels.

The image on the left was taken by the rover's panoramic camera on the 3528th sol, or Martian day, of the mission. The image on the right is of the same spot 12 days later. It shows an additional rock about the size of a doughnut that seems to have appeared out of the blue.” http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn24898-h...

Since: Sep 08

La Veta, CO

#207265 Jan 24, 2014
scaritual wrote:
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<The Dave Nelson> "...Today, I will reveal that I am a NECROMANCER!... BWHAHAHHAHH! "
Dumb ass. I'm geomancy oriented, not a necromancer.

There's a difference.

Any conversations I had with the dead were one way.

You are probably much more into that than myself.

“Turning coffee into theorems”

Since: Dec 06

Trapped inside a Klein Bottle

#207266 Jan 24, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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The concept of Being appears in the present system in three places: in the doctrine of God, where God is called the being as being or the ground and the power of being; in the doctrine of man, where the distinction is carried through between man's essential and his existential being; and finally, in the doctrine of the Christ, where he is called the manifestation of the New Being, the actualization of which is the work of the divine Spirit.
-Tillich, Systematic Theology Vol. 2, p.10
Yawn.

Sorry, but if you have to water your God down until He is nothing more that the First Cause and nothing else...why bother with the worship?

And the rest of what you said. Nothing more than theological word salad. Rather than talking in plain, understandable terms, the theologians make it sound all mystical and mysterious...most likely on purpose.

Apologetics really does bore me. It is so lame.

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#207267 Jan 24, 2014
Dave Nelson wrote:
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You made quite an assumption and assertion there.
Eve had no way to discern between the serpent and God?
Uh, wilderide, whose Garden was it?
Who said don't eat it?
Don't forget the serpent was subservient to Adam and Eve in the hierarchy established by God in that locale. In fact, Adam and Eve were the designated caretakers of the place.
So, if you Daddy says don't stick the fork in the outlet and your little brother, or the family dog, says it is OK, go ahead, it will be Daddy's fault?
You have some strange perceptions of maturity and responsibilities.
Well, obviously she did not know who to believe or else she would not have eaten the apple, would she?

Since: Sep 08

La Veta, CO

#207268 Jan 24, 2014
scaritual wrote:
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Perhaps you can recruit your minions in the classified section of a local Colorado newspaper?
You are running a little incoherent today.

Been outside without a hat? You have to watch that cold.

Since: Sep 11

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#207269 Jan 24, 2014
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Very weak response.
You don't know if "gravity"exists, either. Something makes you stick to the chair, though.
And after Thousands of years of arguments the consensus is one does exists. It even made "gravity".
I know that something makes me stick in the chair. We have decided to call that thing gravity.

What comparable evidence do you have for a god?

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#207270 Jan 24, 2014
scaritual wrote:
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Did anyone on this thread read any of the above?
Lol, no.

Since: Dec 12

Yes, I'm an Atheist.

#207271 Jan 24, 2014
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>Uh huh.

Jerry is on TV and I am here.

Come on, it's showing your rack time to impress us. You are due for the tit showing.

We've seen enough ass from you.

:-)
***oh great, another dirty old christian man that wants to see me naked***

Since: Dec 12

Yes, I'm an Atheist.

#207272 Jan 24, 2014
wilderide wrote:
<quoted text>Methinks you need to walk a bit further yet. Just sayin.

Is being civil really that hard for you?
Yes. He cannot do it and will attack anyone who dares to disagree with him.

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#207273 Jan 24, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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What the?
You say Eve did not know right from wrong and good from bad.
But the apple looked good....
You need to rethink your position.
Well RR, you are confusing two different definitions of the word "good". In the first sentence it refers to a moral judgement, in the second it refers to desirability.

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