Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“What's left to defend?”

Since: Jan 11

Freedom

#205484 Jan 20, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Lying mule.
"You were deprived so now you're depraved." -Catcher1
Deprivation can apply to many things.

“Turning coffee into theorems”

Since: Dec 06

Trapped inside a Klein Bottle

#205485 Jan 20, 2014
lightbeamrider wrote:
Homosexuality involves risky sexual behavior which spreads incurable disease.
So does heterosexual behavior. Or haven't you heard of STDs (including AIDS) are spread by straight sex?
lightbeamrider wrote:
Blacks is genetic. Homosexuality is behavior.
Are you claiming that all behavior is not genetic? If so, you are wrong.

And even if homosexuality is not genetic, it is almost certainly developmental. In other words, yes, they are born gay.
lightbeamrider wrote:
Most blacks do not approve of homosexual behavior.
Dude, you are just pointing to other bigots to rationalize your own bigotry.
blacklagoon

Hyde Park, MA

#205486 Jan 20, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
You believe in God, too.
Admit it.
I don't believe in anything without supporting evidence. Thats why Atheism is the default position, show me reliable evidence and I'll have no problem believing in any God. Thats what skeptics do, they reserve a belief in anything until it can be proven. I have good solid verifiable evidence for everything I believe in, can you say the same?

“Turning coffee into theorems”

Since: Dec 06

Trapped inside a Klein Bottle

#205487 Jan 20, 2014
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> So? Try and prove discrimination in a right to work state.
<quoted text> Sure you can file against an employer in a right to work state but nothing will become of it. People in business can get around these things. If they want you gone, you are gone.
So you APPROVE of discrimination.

You would fit right in with the KKK. It's the same mentality.

BTW...you better hope no one ever decides to discriminate against your in-group.

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me.

-- Pastor Niemöller, as quoted in the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum

“Turning coffee into theorems”

Since: Dec 06

Trapped inside a Klein Bottle

#205488 Jan 20, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
That's an exact, PARTIAL, quote from the Bible.
Psalm 14:1
The fool says in his heart,“There is no God.”
I will have to say that you don't understand what an exact quote is either. A partial quote, one where significant portions are left out, is not an exact quote.

And yes I am aware of what the Psalm says.

My point is that if you apply Buck's "exact" rule, you get nonsense like the Bible saying "There is no God".

"The fool says in his heart,'There is no God.'" would count as an exact quote. It carries the full, original meaning.

“There is no God.” is not and does not.

I am afraid we will have to put you in the remedial debate class along with Buck.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#205489 Jan 20, 2014
Tide with Beach wrote:

Deprivation can apply to many things.
I know.

I think Catch meant it in a financial sense.

He'll deny it of course.

“Turning coffee into theorems”

Since: Dec 06

Trapped inside a Klein Bottle

#205490 Jan 20, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
That's an exact, PARTIAL, quote from the Bible.
Psalm 14:1
The fool says in his heart,“There is no God.”
Maybe this is why fundamentalist Christians think that quote mines actually prove something. Other than their own ignorance, that is.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#205491 Jan 20, 2014
Darwins Stepchild wrote:
So does heterosexual behavior. Or haven't you heard of STDs (including AIDS) are spread by straight sex?
You mean "also by straight sex", yes?
Are you claiming that all behavior is not genetic? If so, you are wrong.
And even if homosexuality is not genetic, it is almost certainly developmental. In other words, yes, they are born gay.
Ever see a horny newborn?

No?

Odd.... That means you might be wrong.
Dude, you are just pointing to other bigots to rationalize your own bigotry.
pot/kettle

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#205492 Jan 20, 2014
Darwins Stepchild wrote:
Uh...no they can't. That is what the Federal anti-discrimination laws are all about. Otherwise, we would still have all-white restaurants in the deep South.
A business is not allowed to say "no blacks allowed".
I already explained your equating blacks with homosexuals. One is behavior while the other is not.
You should ask yourself, "Where does this hatred within me originate?" If you are honest with yourself, you might gain some enlightenment.
Getting personal means you loose the argument. Accusing others of hatred etc. is cheap shots.Sleaze tactics but i suppose that is all you can muster and i suppose it is good enough for Topix. Think of me what you want. It is your group who argues for acceptance of disease spreading behavior in mostly young men. What part of the CDC report do you not understand?
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/gender/msm/facts/...

In 2010, young MSM (aged 13-24 years) accounted for 72% of new HIV infections among all persons aged 13 to 24, and 30% of new infections among all MSM. At the end of 2010, an estimated 489,121 (56%) persons living with an HIV diagnosis in the United States were MSM or MSM-IDU.
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Or are you just a bigoted b*st*rd with no tolerance or empathy and want to stay that way?
Risky sexual behavior spreads disease. Diseases mutate. They adapt. Getting angry at the truth?

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#205493 Jan 20, 2014
blacklagoon wrote:
I don't believe in anything without supporting evidence. Thats why Atheism is the default position, show me reliable evidence and I'll have no problem believing in any God. Thats what skeptics do, they reserve a belief in anything until it can be proven. I have good solid verifiable evidence for everything I believe in, can you say the same?
Uh huh...

People claim that lack of belief is the default position. Anyone with that positions has the burden of proof.

So hop to it.

Prove that atheism is the default position.

But first, think (lol).

What exactly is a default position, and do default positions exist?

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#205495 Jan 20, 2014
Tide with Beach wrote:
<quoted text>
There is more than one motivator.
Sex is not the principle motivator, in most cases of rape. It's not the principle motivator for serial rapists.
What's the difference between someone who pays for sex, and a rapist?
That difference, whatever it is, is the principle motivator. It's the thing that turns them into a rapist. Remove it, and there is no rapist. If you just remove their sex drive, they'll probably still kidnap people and do other stuff to them to exert control over them.
Testosterone levels have a lot to do with aggression levels. A dramatic lowering of that testosterone will make a mellower dude. Of course he could be psychotic enough to be a danger to the public, but he would be less under the influence of those chemicals.

That sort of person is a danger to everyone because of this right to possession and satisfaction of urges they would have in their heads.

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#205497 Jan 20, 2014
Darwins Stepchild wrote:
<quoted text>
So you APPROVE of discrimination.
You would fit right in with the KKK. It's the same mentality.
BTW...you better hope no one ever decides to discriminate against your in-group.
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me.
-- Pastor Niemöller, as quoted in the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum
Godwin arrives.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law
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Godwin's law (also known as Godwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies or Godwin's Law of Nazi Analogies[1][2]) is an assertion made by Mike Godwin in 1990[2] that has become an Internet adage. It states: "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1."[2][3] In other words, Godwin said that, given enough time, in any online discussion—regardless of topic or scope—someone inevitably makes a comparison to Hitler or the Nazis.

“Turning coffee into theorems”

Since: Dec 06

Trapped inside a Klein Bottle

#205498 Jan 20, 2014
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
That would depend on the business and job. It wouldn't do to have a gay handling social programs for a member of the WBC. There would always be a suspicion they didn't do their job to the fullest.
But mostly no as long as they keep their gayness out of the workplace. Meaning no provocations and disrupting it with arguments.
Would you fire a worker that came in and started discussions or actions primarily to harass a gay worker? Of course you would.
Would you do the same to a gay worker that started discussions to rant against homophobes?
A workplace can fire to keep politics out of the office, and thus disruption. Those are places where people make their livelihoods.
Your WBC scenario would be a reason not to assign that gay case worker. It would not be a reason to fire him.

The rest of your examples do not fit into the "merely being gay" category. Yes, they could fire a gay person that becomes disruptive with political rants. Just as they could fire a Republican that becomes disruptive with political rants. It is the "disruptive" part that applies, not the gay part.

“What's left to defend?”

Since: Jan 11

Freedom

#205499 Jan 20, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Of course his ex-wife hates him, it's understandable. He went all gay on her. She knows him more intimately than you ever could. There's probably something deeper in her hatred of him, a deeper reason I mean.
I haven't spoken with my brother in about 7 years now, and I plan to never speak to him again. It isn't about homosexuality in this case and it surely isn't my Christianity. People have their reasons for disowning family.
You don't have to accept what a family member does or believes to accept them. You don't have to give them access to anything you think they'll harm to have some kind of relationship with them.

This post gave me an idea for an interesting thesis.

The family structure gives us a strong obligation to accept people for who they are. Learning how to understand the perspectives of family members so that we can reconcile differences is an extremely important skill to have, if you want to live in a diverse society that is also healthy.

I can't make these points without acknowledging that some people are very difficult to live with or get along with. If it costs more than it benefits to try, I'd cut the ties too.

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#205500 Jan 20, 2014
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> Is that a threat? If you cannot handle freedom of speech then perhaps you should leave the United States.
No, just an expression of my wishes.

You may stay, and continue to spew your garbage.

“Turning coffee into theorems”

Since: Dec 06

Trapped inside a Klein Bottle

#205501 Jan 20, 2014
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
I want you gone.
lightbeamrider is a vile little twerp, isn't he.

“ Knight Of Hyrule”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#205502 Jan 20, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
<quoted text>
No, you have to pick one.
I wish you luck.
F U , I ain't bound to then rules.
You eat them.

“ Knight Of Hyrule”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#205503 Jan 20, 2014
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Your head is warped, Aura.
Your boss comes up to you and asks if you want to keep your job so you can feed your wife and kids. Then wants you to prove it. But he doesn't want your wife.
You are a young boy slave with a chubby little ass. Your master auditions you for a new job.
Are those homosexual? Are they consenting adults and requiring mutual attraction?
The receiving half was survival, the penetrating half was homosexual.
You took the wrong turn at minors butt cheek ,,,you freakish pedophile sympathizer.
Do you still go for little internet boys like you did for Kaits sock? You twisted and demented Davey doo.....

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#205504 Jan 20, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
So according to you, God created everything except booze.
All gods, yours included, are human inventions.

Or creations, if you prefer.

It may be that some were invented by inebriated humans.

“ Knight Of Hyrule”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#205505 Jan 20, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
You're a little loonier than usual.
What you're saying is that there's no homosexual teenagers. Anywhere.
Because "A homosexual act requires two legally consenting homosexuals".
I don't think the LGBT community would like you saying that....

The LGBT community means nothing. but the law does.
Our laws tend to null out any whining about them being broken by criminals who are preying and committing these acts against children.

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