Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Greens - Tuf

Kurnell, Australia

#202842 Jan 14, 2014
River Tam wrote:
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Most of the young women I know have pony tails, tats and piercings. They are so employable that companies are vying to recruit them.
Yep, the brothel industry is booming.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#202843 Jan 14, 2014
Catcher1 wrote:
No.
That was a public service announcement.
We care as much about your going to the gym as we do paying attention to the Emergency Broadcast System tests.....

Since: Sep 10

Fremont, CA

#202844 Jan 14, 2014
River Tam wrote:
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Your deck is made of cards?
Mine is made of wood.
I just replaced a redwood deck with a new one, made of composite material (Trex is the company).

I love it.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#202845 Jan 14, 2014
Catcher1 wrote:
If that were the case, which it isn't, no murderer would be convicted.
Insanity is a defense to murder.
That may be a "defense" for murder in your world.

It's a reason in mine.

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#202846 Jan 14, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Ya. Hey.
Great idea.
Except hypnotists are as real as David Copperfield's "magic".
You believe in Satan.

“What game?”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#202847 Jan 14, 2014
Tide with Beach wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm a fan.
Thanks, man.
Greens - Tuf

Kurnell, Australia

#202848 Jan 14, 2014
Bongo wrote:
<quoted text> hey RT. Well the pony tail comment referred to men and it depends on the look. How gauche are they? All that distastefull goth, nose rings African style lips pieces and ear pieces ridiculous ink work eyeball covers. Their opportunities are limited for sure. The fad was once limited to entertainers and wackadoos but it caught on kinda like those droopy drawers. Ive never seen your average idiot who desecrates themselves in "gainfull" type employment. Im sure some have because their abilities overcome the spectacle and an employer can "use" them. A psychologist could explain the whole thing a lot better than me.
"A psychologist could explain the whole thing a lot better than me."

A 3rd grader could explain it a lot better than you.

“What game?”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#202849 Jan 14, 2014
Greens - Tuf wrote:
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Yep, the brothel industry is booming.
Is it?

Where?

Since: Sep 10

Fremont, CA

#202850 Jan 14, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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The loss of daily school prayer led to the demise of the public's feeling of morality. America’s moral decline rapidly accelerated following that one event.
Prayer in public school has been a fundamental act since public school first begun. I believe praying in public school is a tool that helps raise the consciences and morality of kids. Prior to 1962, kids were very well behaved not only at home, but also at school and in public. Have you been to a public school lately? Have you witnessed the absolute loss of morality and respect from kids today?
Kids are too young to make moral decisions and need to be taught the respectful way to behave. By parents, teachers and school authorities Parents nowadays given up because the state has stepped in and tied the hands of teachers and parents. Praying teaches thankfulness and that we are all accountable to God and to each other for proper behavior.
And here I thought you believe that children are best taught respect and morality by hitting them, starting at about six months or so.

Since: Sep 10

Fremont, CA

#202851 Jan 14, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
We care as much about your going to the gym as we do paying attention to the Emergency Broadcast System tests.....
I take it that, by "We," you are referring to you and the rooster.

“The future begins”

Since: Jul 07

every moment

#202852 Jan 14, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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The loss of daily school prayer led to the demise of the public's feeling of morality. America’s moral decline rapidly accelerated following that one event.
Prayer in public school has been a fundamental act since public school first begun. I believe praying in public school is a tool that helps raise the consciences and morality of kids. Prior to 1962, kids were very well behaved not only at home, but also at school and in public. Have you been to a public school lately? Have you witnessed the absolute loss of morality and respect from kids today?
Kids are too young to make moral decisions and need to be taught the respectful way to behave. By parents, teachers and school authorities Parents nowadays given up because the state has stepped in and tied the hands of teachers and parents. Praying teaches thankfulness and that we are all accountable to God and to each other for proper behavior.
You've neatly crystallized all of society's ills down to one gratuitous idyllic scenario. It is obvious why you did not address one single question proposed - because you would have to equivocate your position.

If 80% of Americans still identify as Christian, and have for that entire period you identify, then what does that say about Christianity's influence on the moral fiber of society? Of those 300% rise in divorces, a majority portion had to have been Christian. Every other item may be traced in some way to the breakdown of the nuclear family, and thus "the decline of morality". If it is as you say, these facts are also undeniable, therefore you yourself indict the alleged "Christian nation".

Here's the out for Christianity - it ain't nothin' as simple as you make out.

One thing about it - in fundamentalist Mideastern nations they do impose the very constraints you seem to pine for. They don't just pray to start the schoolday, they pray five times a day, and many teach nothing outside their version of the "Bible". And they've been killing each other, as well as innocents in the crossfire, over which God interpretation is "right" for centuries.

But lo! They sho' don't have the divorce rates, unwed birth rates, etc, etc, that you seem to think are the mark of a great society.

Which world do you want to live in?

Since: Sep 10

Fremont, CA

#202853 Jan 14, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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That may be a "defense" for murder in your world.
It's a reason in mine.
Insanity is a defense to murder in a court of law.

Dumbass.

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#202854 Jan 14, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
Not necessarily. But in Stalin's case, it reflected his atheism.
Hitler's direction reflected his Darwinism.
It's no mystery.
But I do appreciate the help.
The help really isn't for you.

I don't think you'll stop equivocating.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#202855 Jan 14, 2014
Catcher1 wrote:
I just replaced a redwood deck with a new one, made of composite material (Trex is the company).
I love it.
Trex is an amazing product. Did you use their hidden fasteners system?

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#202856 Jan 14, 2014
Tide with Beach wrote:
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You believe in Satan.
Believe "in"? No.

Believe "to exist"? Yes.

I'm honored to have corrected you.

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#202858 Jan 14, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Yes, you do have faith.
Not spiritual or religious faith, but faith nonetheless.
I have trust. That word doesn't need a qualifier.

If you don't add a qualifier to "faith" when you use it in this thread, I will always assume you mean religious faith. Most people will.

Either add a qualifier, or use the more appropriate word (trust). Failure to do so will demonstrate your intent to equivocate.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#202859 Jan 14, 2014
Catcher1 wrote:
Insanity is a defense to murder in a court of law.
Dumbass.
The court of law is your world.

Your world has nothing to do with justice.

My world does.

Since: Sep 08

Saguache, CO

#202860 Jan 14, 2014
HipGnosis wrote:
<quoted text>No, now back up. You said Paul "gave up" a life as a Pharisee. I'm just sayin', sure he did, but he exchanged it for something just as good, in his eyes. He did alright.
I don't know where you come up with "Universal Brotherhood of Mankind", but as for the rest, i don't disagree. You said it well. Defensive, but you said it well. See, for me, it ain't personal. You all are the ones with the emotional investment in the guy. For me, he's just an historical figure - a fascinatingly complex figure. As a student of history, and former Christian, it's only natural I'd be intrigued with the guy. He was a remarkable man, one of the most influential men of the Western world, and we could talk about his qualities all day if you like.
But I won't pretend his flaws weren't just as monumental as his qualities. Paul is a far easier personality to get a grasp on than the much-mythologized Jesus. It was Paul's words themselves that caused me to see that he was just a man - no more "inspired" than any other historical, fanatical, demagogue. Paul lifted the veil from my eyes about the origins of orthodox Christianity. For that, I owe him a debt as great as that you may feel.
Emotional investment?

LOL!!

I didn't know jackshit about Paul until the last couple of years. I haven't been to church in 50 years. What I say is based upon that recent look at him with a lifetime backdrop of social activism and such of the last several decades. I am looking at him with a lot less emotion than your REACTION to him.

Yeah, gave up his job as a Pharisee and tax collector to gallivant around getting stoned, ran out of town, and his head cut off. Oh, yeah. I guess it would have to be better than what he was doing in his eyes.

Funny how you infer he successfully gamed the system.

After all, look at the impact he has on your life. He was bigger than Jesus, but took a back seat.

That Universal Brotherhood of Mankind did not exist until the Christianity Paul produced. You had the Universal Brotherhood and rights of your tribe and nation until then.

“The future begins”

Since: Jul 07

every moment

#202861 Jan 14, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Lack of prayer.
Along with a lack of respect, saying "you can't FORCE me to!" coming from a child is nonsense, when you're talking about disciplinary actions.
One precedes the other here, Hip.
1. Kids not praying, not respecting authority.
2. Kids grow up to be asshole adults.
Not the other way around.
Aw, Riv, you really gonna make me do it? Do you follow the thread of your own process?

Proposed: Adult misogyny is a result of not praying as a child
Addendum: You claim to be misogynist.
Thus
1. You apparently didn't pray as a child, in or out of school.
2. You grew up to be an asshole adult (your words, not mine)
3. You blame your public school for not making you pray.
4. You are party to the decline of American morality.

Wow. I've been doing this a good while, and don't think I've ever seen anyone tie their own shoelaces together so neatly before.

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#202862 Jan 14, 2014
Catcher1 wrote:
I just replaced a redwood deck with a new one, made of composite material (Trex is the company).
I love it.
I'm a fan.

I like to look at girls' tats while on Trex decks.

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