Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#200666 Jan 8, 2014
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
"FYI - the place or buiding that controls the landmark - is the instution, the landmark itself is jsut a place."
That's essentially what I said, except it isn't the place or building, but the organization behind them. Alcatraz has been designated a part of that institution the Parks Service and historical associations is, It is an exhibit in a classroom if you wish to refer to it that way.
Semantics are a bitch, huh?

:o)

A perfect example and comparison to religion - the semantics kill the philosophy.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#200667 Jan 8, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Alternative definitions of "institution" are:
an established law, practice, or custom.
a well-established and familiar person, custom, or object.
Again, you ruin the joke by getting all literal on me.
Aaaaah......

*hands you a two quarters*

Do you need to call someone who will care?

:o)

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#200668 Jan 8, 2014
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>
Buck swallows American propaganda hook line and sinker.
To understand what happened under Stalin you have to understand the politics of Russia from 1905-1917, then from 1917- through the Stalin years makes sense.
There was a power struggle for 30 years , with Russia divided and ruled by several different factions sharing power. Stalin stopped the civil war, I don't have to like or agree with how he did it , too see this is what he did.
" The Stalinist counterrevolution was therefore of a political character, it destroyed all political and ideological opposition, it harshly repressed proletarian groups and movements that were undoubtedly revolutionary, and persecuted to the extent of physical extermination those who expressed the least dissidence, whether within or outside of the Bolshevik Party. In Russia, the revolutionary process that had begun in 1905, obtained its first success with the democratic revolution of February 1917, which overthrew the Czar and established a democratic republic, but did not stop halfway and continued to the end with the insurrection of October 1917 in Petrograd, in which the Soviets seized power, replacing the bourgeoisie of the state apparatus."
http://libcom.org/history/russian-revolution-...
"persecuted to the extent of physical extermination"...

Sounds to me like you agree with Buck and the "propaganda".

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#200669 Jan 8, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Saying "oh my God" wasn't calling upon God.
It's a cliche that is an exclamation of shock or surprise.
I bet you're that guy at the party that ruins all the party jokes, huh?
So "Christian" - do you always break the third commandment.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#200670 Jan 8, 2014
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
So "Christian" - do you always break the third commandment.
That has to be one of the lamest insults ever.

Give it a rest.

I'll not be dictated Christian ethics by the likes of you.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#200671 Jan 8, 2014
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
Aaaaah......
*hands you a two quarters*
Do you need to call someone who will care?
:o)
WHOO-HOO I'm rich!

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#200672 Jan 8, 2014
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>I was a catholic until I reached the age of reason, about 12. Didn't see the logic behind worshiping a child murdering, baby killing, genocidal maniac. That was easy eh?
We are still waiting for you to reach the age of reason.

Maybe next lifetime.

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#200673 Jan 8, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
Your post is a nice illustration of why there is so much friction between the two factions. How do you suppose "Topix style atheists" are going to react to a story like that when your insult is fresh in their minds upon reading the story?
LCN just posted this:
"Atheists, Agnostics, Christians, Jews and Muslims all fought for the NATO forces in Afghanistan and UK and US forces in Iraq. We can respect them by finding common causes to help mankind. We have more in common than our differences. The world needs people committed to helping the poor and powerless. Money for AIDS research would be a good start.and feeding poor people out of work another"
My initial reaction was to ask him if he thought religion was more of a cohesive or divisive force, but I thought better of it because I appreciated the spirit of his post even if his church does not, and didn't want to turn a nice post into something else.
But after reading your post, I had a change of heart. Your post reminded me of what I had wanted to say to him, and what the reality of this social struggle really is. It has nothing to do with unity. It only has to do with strife, which will obviously continue throughout the entire transition from a predominantly Christian American culture to a predominantly non-Christian one.
In any event, perhaps the kid learned a lesson his parents should have learned first.
IANS, I could give a shit about your approval or sensitivities. I do give a shit about the influence your dead end selfishness masquerading as intellect has on others.

You talk this nice nice, but you are a snake in the grass.

Your side started the friction. You didn't know how to restrain yourselves. You still don't.

You are out in the real world, not a college dorm or salon laughing and passing judgements on the world and the way it is. You are stirring up shit that will bury you.

I have zero reason or obligation to play your games, and a total lack of sympathy for them. And I am not even religious.

You are not reaching out for serious dialogue the way you have proceeded. You like to think you have a cast of millions behind your schoolyard antics facing off the big boys, but you can't see the huge open space behind the few standing behind you.

Pray for the bell, IANS. When you stir up emotions, numbers count a lot.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#200674 Jan 8, 2014
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>
Buck swallows American propaganda hook line and sinker.
To understand what happened under Stalin you have to understand the politics of Russia from 1905-1917, then from 1917- through the Stalin years makes sense.
There was a power struggle for 30 years , with Russia divided and ruled by several different factions sharing power. Stalin stopped the civil war, I don't have to like or agree with how he did it , too see this is what he did.
" The Stalinist counterrevolution was therefore of a political character, it destroyed all political and ideological opposition, it harshly repressed proletarian groups and movements that were undoubtedly revolutionary, and persecuted to the extent of physical extermination those who expressed the least dissidence, whether within or outside of the Bolshevik Party. In Russia, the revolutionary process that had begun in 1905, obtained its first success with the democratic revolution of February 1917, which overthrew the Czar and established a democratic republic, but did not stop halfway and continued to the end with the insurrection of October 1917 in Petrograd, in which the Soviets seized power, replacing the bourgeoisie of the state apparatus."
http://libcom.org/history/russian-revolution-...
Stalin was an atheist who mass-murdered and persecuted people, including Christians, in service of his atheism.

If you don't get that, you are doing the swallowing.
John

United States

#200675 Jan 8, 2014
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
IANS, I could give a shit about your approval or sensitivities. I do give a shit about the influence your dead end selfishness masquerading as intellect has on others.
You talk this nice nice, but you are a snake in the grass.
Your side started the friction. You didn't know how to restrain yourselves. You still don't.
You are out in the real world, not a college dorm or salon laughing and passing judgements on the world and the way it is. You are stirring up shit that will bury you.
I have zero reason or obligation to play your games, and a total lack of sympathy for them. And I am not even religious.
You are not reaching out for serious dialogue the way you have proceeded. You like to think you have a cast of millions behind your schoolyard antics facing off the big boys, but you can't see the huge open space behind the few standing behind you.
Pray for the bell, IANS. When you stir up emotions, numbers count a lot.
Thank you Mr. Nelson all atheist will burn in HELL.

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#200676 Jan 8, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
"persecuted to the extent of physical extermination"...
Sounds to me like you agree with Buck and the "propaganda".
Buck makes it seem like Stalin the Atheist killed them because they were Christian.
This isn't true, the fight all along was socialism vs capitalism. The Red vs the White party,
the common people vs aristocracy. The Churches were the foundation of the capitalist
White party, atheism was not the reason. Socialism was a reason , aristocracy was the reason.

" In the Russian Revolution of 1917, The Bolsheviks revolutionary leadership was Vladamir Ilyich Ulyanov, or Lenin, a member of the middle class, expelled from University for engaging in radical activity, and spent three years as a political prisoner in Siberia. From 1900-1917 he wrote as an exile in Western Europe.

Lenin believed the development of Russian capitalism made socialist revolution possible. The Bolsheviks needed to organize the new class of industrial workers, to bring revolution. Factory workers needed party leadership to accomplish the goal of revolution. Russian revolutionary tradition and Marxism could achieve their goals immediately. The Bolsheviks demanded an end to the war with Germany and Austria, improvement in working and living conditions for workers, and redistribution of aristocratic land to the peasantry.

Lenin condemned imperialist war policies and opposed the bourgeoisie government. He called for "Peace, Land, and Bread Now" and "All Power to the Soviets," winning Bolshevik support from workers, soldiers, and peasants. Unemployment, starvation, and chaos in Russia - the Bolsheviks power was rising fast. Lenin and the Bolsheviks attacked the provisional government and took over the Winter Palace on October 25, 1917. They moved against all political competition, beginning with the Soviets, and expelled opposition parties, creating a new Bolsheviks government.

When the Bolsheviks did not win a majority in the elections, they dispersed the Constituent Assembly by force, and Lenin's Bolsheviks ruled socialist Russia and the Soviet Union as a one party dictatorship. Peasants took over land they had worked for generations now rightfully theirs. Bolsheviks redistributed the nobles' land to peasants. Bolsheviks nationalized banks, and gave workers control of factories.

Taking Russia out of the war, a separate treaty with Germany was negotiated by Trotsky, and signed at Brest-Litovsk in March, 1918. The Bolsheviks surrendered Russian agricultural territories of Ukraine, Georgia, Finland, Poland, and the Baltic states. The treaty ended Russia's role in the fighting, saving the communist regime from certain military defeat by the Germans.

The Revolution allowed the Germans to win the war on the Eastern Front. The socialists held power in what many considered a backward country. The Russian revolution, "the ten days that shook the world," was a political transformation that set up future revolutionary struggles. The Bolshevik takeover in October, 1917 began revolutionary events in Russia. Under Lenin's leadership, the Bolsheviks seized internal political power, and withdrew from the war. This polarized Russian society and set off a civil war. The enemies of the Bolsheviks, those associated with the ousted tsarist regime, began to attack the new government. Known collectively as "Whites," the Bolsheviks opponents had the common goal of removing the "Reds" from power. The Whites military force came from reactionary monarchists, the old nobility, the provisional government, and anarchists, or "Greens" who opposed all centralized state power and joined the Whites. "

http://www.csun.edu/~kaddison/kraus.htm
Bongo

Coram, NY

#200677 Jan 8, 2014
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>I was a catholic until I reached the age of reason, about 12. Didn't see the logic behind worshiping a child murdering, baby killing, genocidal maniac. That was easy eh?
strange , I wonder if that's how the animals and insects feel about you.

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#200678 Jan 8, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
Stalin was an atheist who mass-murdered and persecuted people, including Christians, in service of his atheism.
If you don't get that, you are doing the swallowing.
It had nothing to do with atheism, it had everything to do with the consolidation of power by a socialist dictator. Had the Churches supported the socialist government , there would have been no killings. The killings were strictly due to political ideology and to consolidate socialist power under his rule.

http://www.csun.edu/~kaddison/kraus.htm

Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#200679 Jan 8, 2014
John wrote:
<quoted text>
Thank you Mr. Nelson all atheist will burn in HELL.
oooohhhhh…do you get all tingly when you think about it?

“Pillars of Creation....”

Since: Jan 11

Into this world we're thrown

#200680 Jan 8, 2014
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
IANS, I could give a shit about your approval or sensitivities. I do give a shit about the influence your dead end selfishness masquerading as intellect has on others.
You talk this nice nice, but you are a snake in the grass.
Your side started the friction. You didn't know how to restrain yourselves. You still don't.
You are out in the real world, not a college dorm or salon laughing and passing judgements on the world and the way it is. You are stirring up shit that will bury you.
I have zero reason or obligation to play your games, and a total lack of sympathy for them. And I am not even religious.
You are not reaching out for serious dialogue the way you have proceeded. You like to think you have a cast of millions behind your schoolyard antics facing off the big boys, but you can't see the huge open space behind the few standing behind you.
Pray for the bell, IANS. When you stir up emotions, numbers count a lot.
I've spent quite a few years on topix Dave. I was here from almost the beginning. I think back and i cant think of one atheist or anti christian agnostic that has had a racist or homophobic bone in his body. They are all humanists like Ians. Now I could be missing someone I cant say they are or were all perfect human beings, but I sure cant recall a one that had a flaw in em.

Recently I thought back on all the atheists and agnostics I've known in the real world and surprisingly enough it was just the opposite. They all were very outspoken about there phobias, some were homophobes others racist and most both.

Funny how that works, and just like as on topix where I cant think of one who has a flaw, i cant think of one in real life who doesn't.......

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#200681 Jan 8, 2014
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
I am speculating it will spread via anal sex practices.
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
I am speculating
Yes. Yes you are.

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#200682 Jan 8, 2014
Rider on the Storm wrote:
<quoted text>
I've spent quite a few years on topix Dave. I was here from almost the beginning. I think back and i cant think of one atheist or anti christian agnostic that has had a racist or homophobic bone in his body. They are all humanists like Ians. Now I could be missing someone I cant say they are or were all perfect human beings, but I sure cant recall a one that had a flaw in em.
Recently I thought back on all the atheists and agnostics I've known in the real world and surprisingly enough it was just the opposite. They all were very outspoken about there phobias, some were homophobes others racist and most both.
Funny how that works, and just like as on topix where I cant think of one who has a flaw, i cant think of one in real life who doesn't.......
The funny part is they don't have enough imagination to create those false personas on their own. They really display a rather low grade of mental abilities. kind of robot like. They just aren't sharp enough to be real human beings.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#200683 Jan 8, 2014
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>

Buck makes it seem like Stalin the Atheist killed them because they were Christian.
Exactly!

Stalin killed Christians because they were Christians.

Just like Hitler killed Christians because they were Christians, and killed Jews because they were Jews.

Glad I could help.
Jim

London, UK

#200685 Jan 8, 2014
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
The funny part is they don't have enough imagination to create those false personas on their own. They really display a rather low grade of mental abilities. kind of robot like. They just aren't sharp enough to be real human beings.
Grown men Dave & Buck are whing at Atheists for not believing the earth is 3000 years old. Poor deluded fraudsters
Jim

London, UK

#200686 Jan 8, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
Exactly!
Stalin killed Christians because they were Christians.
Just like Hitler killed Christians because they were Christians, and killed Jews because they were Jews.
Glad I could help.
Atheism is a simple disbelief in god & religion and nobody has ever killed in the name of Atheism.

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