Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#197293 Dec 30, 2013
Jim wrote:
<quoted text>
Evidence is not a belief.
I'm still waiting for your evidence to tell us how life started on the earth.

Not theories or it could have been this or that but real hard evidence.

“MEET KIKI -She Seeks Home”

Since: Oct 10

With Established Harem

#197294 Dec 30, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Then why pretend like it is?
".. authentic spirituality is not about 'knowing.' Rather, it's about 'becoming' and requires faith in self, not the supernatural .."
That kind of statement makes it seem like your take, your version, of spirituality is the real deal, the authentic one.
.. it's the take of people far wiser than myself so I cannot claim it ..

.. you are evolving, becoming. Every month, you change. Tomorrow you will not be the same RR that you are today ..

.. in the past year, you have changed many of your outlooks on life because you are staying conscious ..

.. keep growing beautiful ..

“Pillars of Creation....”

Since: Jan 11

Into this world we're thrown

#197295 Dec 30, 2013
Bongo wrote:
<quoted text> only for the dead
If you take the verse literally there would be absolutely no room for anyone else but your God.
Bongo

Patchogue, NY

#197296 Dec 30, 2013
Happy Lesbo wrote:
Happy Lesbo wrote:
<quoted text>
.. your supposition is that spirituality must have a supernatural quality, that it cannot exist naturally and depends on belief and faith in the supernatural, specifically, your god ..
.. authentic spirituality is not about 'knowing.' Rather, it's about 'becoming' and requires faith in self, not the supernatural ..
.. you heard the word, you believed and your journey is over. Have a good life ..
<quoted text>
.. yes, this may be true. Realistically, we can only address what is presented: an individual lacking authentic spirituality. This is evident from Bongo's writing; his insistence on demeaning others while claiming the higher spiritual ground. That's a contradiction which tells me Bongo has arrived at his final destination and has 'become'..
.. your thoughts ??..
If you construed an attempt to demean that's your problem, I was not doing that on purpose. I have not arrived all the way just yet.however I am one day closer.

“Pillars of Creation....”

Since: Jan 11

Into this world we're thrown

#197297 Dec 30, 2013
Happy Lesbo wrote:
<quoted text>
RIDER
.. this post tells me Bongo has unraveled the profundity (using one of his million dollar words) of life's mystery: God said it, I believe it, case closed ..
.. is he still on the journey? Doubtful, his bible god obstructs his vision. He'll embrace the blind dogma tightly, unable to get past the imagery. If an authentic spiritual experience occurs, he won't recognize it ..
.. in other words, his religion has lulled him into a deep sleep ..
I think as long as he's willing to discuss it, he's still on the journey. You may not believe it but your words have an effect on me and no doubt on others where you may think they are falling on deaf ears. Just because you say something and someone doesn't have an epiphany doesn't mean you said it in vain..........

I think he'll recognize a spiritual experience, it just may have to be more blatant and he may even be mistaken about the meaning of the experience, but I think we both agree if there is path and he's not on it, he will be directed there. At least thats what I believe.........

“MEET KIKI -She Seeks Home”

Since: Oct 10

With Established Harem

#197298 Dec 30, 2013
Bongo wrote:
<quoted text> ..But He answered and said,“It is written,‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.’
.. why are you quoting scripture? Do your own words fail you ??..
Bongo

Patchogue, NY

#197299 Dec 30, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
I like Bill Maher. He’s entertaining and witty. He’s just a amusing buffoon.
He has a really punchable face too.
Bongo

Patchogue, NY

#197300 Dec 30, 2013
Rider on the Storm wrote:
<quoted text>
If you take the verse literally there would be absolutely no room for anyone else but your God.
so get born again and indwelt by the spirit. Big problem, one must die to self. Tough thing to do for a lot of people.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#197301 Dec 30, 2013
Bongo wrote:
<quoted text> better yet, why do they have a culture of covering up, protecting one anothers faults, lying to patients and their families , every word as if walking on eggshells. They are not much different then the catholic church leaders are they?
I tired otherwise and was punished for it. Let me share a couple of anecdotes about what happens when you try to do the right thing in medicine in America.

[1] I used to do disability exams for the state of Missouri. One patient I saw was a 35-40 year old mother of several children with severe deforming rheumatoid arthritis. This is what that looks like: http://www.cedars-sinai.edu/Patients/Health-C...

It is possible to prevent that nowadays thanks to one of the many miracles of modern therapeutics, a class of drugs called DMARDs, which prevent the deformity. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disease-modifyin ...

I reviewed her medical records. She had been under the care of a physician in my region for the last ten years, who rotated between ibuprofen (Advil) and naproxen (Alleve), which only treat pain, but do not modify the natural course of the disease like the DMARDS do. That was gross negligence. With tears in my eyes, I reported him to the state. He was a danger to the community. The only result was that they told him about my complaint. They did not discipline him or attempt to impose remedial training on him.

[2] A few years later, I was referred a woman with fulminating gangrene of the foot from her podiatrist, who had treated the problem inadequately - negligently by my standards. He only referred her because on the day that he referred her, she was almost dead. She was a diabetic in crisis (diabetic ketoacidosis).

I admitted her to the ICU withing the hour. I ordered IV Trovan as my antibiotic and the hospital pharmacist substituted Levaquin - a drug in the same class (a quinolone) but not equivalent in this setting.

They also failed to shoot the X-rays I ordered, and effed up the IV insulin I ordered. She lost the leg before the weekend was through, in part because of incompetence of the podiatrist, and in the part because of the hospital. I went to the family. told them about it, advised them to get an attorney, and offered to be a witness on their behalf at no charge. Nevertheless, they sued me and everybody else.

I got advance notice from the surgeon who had just been served that I was next. I was shocked at the betrayal. I knew that once I had been served, I would be prevented from speaking to the family, so I raced to their home before the process server arrived. They told me that somebody had to pay, and they didn't care who. Did I mention that he patient's husband was a preacher?

I was eventually dropped from the case for a $25,000 payment from my malpractice insurer, because I had done nothing inappropriate. Plaintiffs can always get that much, even in frivolous lawsuits. What the hell, huh? Twenty-five grand is twenty-five grand whatever you have to do to get it, right?

The podiatrist and the hospital both blamed me for the lawsuit, and neither was too happy with my forthrightness. The hospital retaliated. That is another story, longer and more painful than either of the two above. Not surprisingly, I never did anything like either of those things again.

Now you know.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#197303 Dec 30, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
Paul called it "law of my members". I call it "god presence". We have it before we are even born. There is no deficiency to correct, no bridge to cross to commune with god. Look up "oceanic consciousness" of the newborn.
Thanks for the oceanic consciousness heads up. I liked that. I interpret its significance differently, but was glad to learn about it.
Bongo

Patchogue, NY

#197304 Dec 30, 2013
Happy Lesbo wrote:
<quoted text>
RIDER
.. this post tells me Bongo has unraveled the profundity (using one of his million dollar words) of life's mystery: God said it, I believe it, case closed ..
.. is he still on the journey? Doubtful, his bible god obstructs his vision. He'll embrace the blind dogma tightly, unable to get past the imagery. If an authentic spiritual experience occurs, he won't recognize it ..
.. in other words, his religion has lulled him into a deep sleep ..
I love words and you cant shame me out of using them. You obviously have problems. btw, you know nothing. How did you apportion dollar value to words? Whats this sentence worth. You are a lost indignant gender confused soul.

“Pillars of Creation....”

Since: Jan 11

Into this world we're thrown

#197306 Dec 30, 2013
Bongo wrote:
<quoted text> so get born again and indwelt by the spirit. Big problem, one must die to self. Tough thing to do for a lot of people.
Been there, done that......

“MEET KIKI -She Seeks Home”

Since: Oct 10

With Established Harem

#197307 Dec 30, 2013
HL Wrote: Realistically, we can only address what is presented: an individual lacking authentic spirituality. This is evident from Bongo's writing; his insistence on demeaning others while claiming the higher spiritual ground. That's a contradiction which tells me Bongo has arrived at his final destination and has 'become'..
Rider on the Storm wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, with that definition you could say most posters here have arrived..........
.. there's a key factor in my post that must be considered: claiming the higher spiritual ground ..
Rider on the Storm wrote:
<quoted text>
Anyone who is asking questions and taking part in the debate is still learning. Its those who refuse to leave the safety of their church, group, or whatever that refuse to listen to others viewpoints, that may have stopped growing.
.. wonderment and compassion are the basic components of spirituality. I don't know if there is a God but we must ask if there is one. It's the question that counts, not the answer ..

GoThomas 113: "the kingdom of the father is spread out upon the earth, and men do not see it."

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#197308 Dec 30, 2013
Happy Lesbo wrote:
<quoted text>
.. it's the take of people far wiser than myself so I cannot claim it ..
.. you are evolving, becoming. Every month, you change. Tomorrow you will not be the same RR that you are today ..
.. in the past year, you have changed many of your outlooks on life because you are staying conscious ..
.. keep growing beautiful ..
"Staying conscious" doesn't seem like a choice to me. It seems innate in all people.

But thank you. You're right, I've changed the past year and in the past decades. I think we all do.

“Pillars of Creation....”

Since: Jan 11

Into this world we're thrown

#197309 Dec 30, 2013
Bongo wrote:
<quoted text> I love words and you cant shame me out of using them. You obviously have problems. btw, you know nothing. How did you apportion dollar value to words? Whats this sentence worth. You are a lost indignant gender confused soul.
I think HL was just having a little fun....... Lighten up a little.......

BTW aren't we all a little lost?

Into this house were born
Into this world were thrown

“MEET KIKI -She Seeks Home”

Since: Oct 10

With Established Harem

#197310 Dec 30, 2013
Bongo wrote:
<quoted text> If you construed an attempt to demean that's your problem, I was not doing that on purpose. I have not arrived all the way just yet.however I am one day closer.
.. tell me how to construe, "You are gender confused and make a poor pundit" as not being demeaning ??..

http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T...

.. in your present spiritual journey, you arrived at your final destination when you launched your Topix campaign of denigration and misrepresentation against anyone who doesn't believe as you do ..

.. this is the part and parcel of most Christian teachings. You've become a good student ..
Bongo

Patchogue, NY

#197311 Dec 30, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
I tired otherwise and was punished for it. Let me share a couple of anecdotes about what happens when you try to do the right thing in medicine in America.
[1] I used to do disability exams for the state of Missouri. One patient I saw was a 35-40 year old mother of several children with severe deforming rheumatoid arthritis. This is what that looks like: http://www.cedars-sinai.edu/Patients/Health-C...
It is possible to prevent that nowadays thanks to one of the many miracles of modern therapeutics, a class of drugs called DMARDs, which prevent the deformity. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disease-modifyin ...
I reviewed her medical records. She had been under the care of a physician in my region for the last ten years, who rotated between ibuprofen (Advil) and naproxen (Alleve), which only treat pain, but do not modify the natural course of the disease like the DMARDS do. That was gross negligence. With tears in my eyes, I reported him to the state. He was a danger to the community. The only result was that they told him about my complaint. They did not discipline him or attempt to impose remedial training on him.
[2] A few years later, I was referred a woman with fulminating gangrene of the foot from her podiatrist, who had treated the problem inadequately - negligently by my standards. He only referred her because on the day that he referred her, she was almost dead. She was a diabetic in crisis (diabetic ketoacidosis).
I admitted her to the ICU withing the hour. I ordered IV Trovan as my antibiotic and the hospital pharmacist substituted Levaquin - a drug in the same class (a quinolone) but not equivalent in this setting.
They also failed to shoot the X-rays I ordered, and effed up the IV insulin I ordered. She lost the leg before the weekend was through, in part because of incompetence of the podiatrist, and in the part because of the hospital. I went to the family. told them about it, advised them to get an attorney, and offered to be a witness on their behalf at no charge. Nevertheless, they sued me and everybody else.
I got advance notice from the surgeon who had just been served that I was next. I was shocked at the betrayal. I knew that once I had been served, I would be prevented from speaking to the family, so I raced to their home before the process server arrived. They told me that somebody had to pay, and they didn't care who. Did I mention that he patient's husband was a preacher?
I was eventually dropped from the case for a $25,000 payment from my malpractice insurer, because I had done nothing inappropriate. Plaintiffs can always get that much, even in frivolous lawsuits. What the hell, huh? Twenty-five grand is twenty-five grand whatever you have to do to get it, right?
The podiatrist and the hospital both blamed me for the lawsuit, and neither was too happy with my forthrightness. The hospital retaliated. That is another story, longer and more painful than either of the two above. Not surprisingly, I never did anything like either of those things again.
Now you know.
The lawyers employed the shotgun effect not the plaintif. The lawyers took 33 percent plus expenses too. Your adversity is the same in every business and life situation. Especially when things happen to friends and family in their homes. Friends and family sue.
Everyone should maintain plenty of insurance. The poor, well, when you aint got nuttin, you aint got nuttin to lose. The medical industry is not unlike the catholic church you loathe, the defensive actions are similar. When punitive damage is proved, thell get the message a little better. Drs like clergy also treat people as if they are inferior. Its a litigious society, just add it up to the cost of doing business.
Bongo

Patchogue, NY

#197312 Dec 30, 2013
Happy Lesbo wrote:
<quoted text>
.. why are you quoting scripture? Do your own words fail you ??..
Your argument is with Jesus and the truth.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#197313 Dec 30, 2013
Happy Lesbo wrote:
<quoted text>
.. tell me how to construe, "You are gender confused and make a poor pundit" as not being demeaning ??..
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T...
.. in your present spiritual journey, you arrived at your final destination when you launched your Topix campaign of denigration and misrepresentation against anyone who doesn't believe as you do ..
.. this is the part and parcel of most Christian teachings. You've become a good student ..
Now that's not fair.

Not all Christians are alike, no more than all Americans are alike.

I really wish that bigotry would cease.
Bongo

Patchogue, NY

#197314 Dec 30, 2013
Happy Lesbo wrote:
<quoted text>
.. tell me how to construe, "You are gender confused and make a poor pundit" as not being demeaning ??..
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T...
.. in your present spiritual journey, you arrived at your final destination when you launched your Topix campaign of denigration and misrepresentation against anyone who doesn't believe as you do ..
.. this is the part and parcel of most Christian teachings. You've become a good student ..
Being a lesbian is an unnatural thing, thus I think youre confused as to whether youre a man or woman. You are a poor pundit, you have neither the experience or ability or credentials to be taken to seriously. I don't feel denigrated by all the denigrating rhetoric spewed by atheists and infidels in here. My beliefs are backed up by scripture,All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness

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