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Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#196559 Dec 27, 2013
(1) All known evidence indicates that matter is incapable of creating itself. The first law of thermodynamics states that “matter” is neither being created nor destroyed; it only changes from one form to another. There is not a shred of evidence that any material object has ever created itself.

(2) All evidence suggests that matter is not eternal. The second law of thermodynamics states that as matter undergoes transformation, there is a negative effect, a running-down process. This implies a commencement point (just as a wound-up clock implies a starting time). Since matter is incapable of creating itself (and yet it exists), and since it had a commencement point, logic suggests it had a non-material cause.

(3) All evidence indicates that inorganic matter is incapable of generating life. But since life exists, a reasonable deduction is: there must be an explanation for life that is extraneous to, and independent of, the material.

(4) All evidence indicates that no strictly material object has moral sensitivity, i.e., a conviction of right versus wrong. In view of this, it is a reasonable conclusion that mankind’s moral sensitivity is to be found in a moral source beyond the material.

(5) All evidence indicates that objects characterized by design have been produced by an intelligent designer. The universe, earth’s environment, molecules, cells, biological organisms, etc., reflect design. They thus point to an intelligent Designer.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#196562 Dec 27, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
Did you ever see this rip on the Catholic Church by Hitchens? It's only 11 minutes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =rk5_Uxe5bZYXX
Wow.

He was spot on with that one.

I don't think I've ever seen him more polite, either.

Since: Sep 08

La Junta, CO

#196563 Dec 27, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
Sadly for some, I think your analysis is right on.
I once took census numbers of world-wide deaths per year, and calculated (by some metric of persentage of Christians world-wide) to come up with how many souls per year are tossed into Hell.
No wonder it's so hot there. An interesting aspect to this - if true - is that God created this race of man knowing the majority would be tortured forever with no hope of rescue. And placed them in a world where the tools of their demise are intensely pleasurable and readily available.
Would you do that to people? I wouldn't. We are expected to be better than God.
Did you ever see this rip on the Catholic Church by Hitchens? It's only 11 minutes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =rk5_Uxe5bZYXX
"No wonder it's so hot there. An interesting aspect to this - if true - is that God created this race of man knowing the majority would be tortured forever with no hope of rescue. And placed them in a world where the tools of their demise are intensely pleasurable and readily available."

According to the story God didn't create man for that.

God is probably an ace when it comes to recycling.

Souls are created, perhaps? Some make it, some don't?

Nor all are souls worth keeping. God is unlikely to be a packrat.

Something has to keep those stars a burning.

Perhaps the greatest misunderstanding about that story is that going to heaven makes you a mindless sheep in a field. I would think a Creator wanted something more than that, but he couldn't allow eternal souls that weren't a little self disciplined. Energy isn't useful unless it is controlled. We are all, after all, just bundles of energy.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#196564 Dec 27, 2013
BenAdam wrote:
<quoted text>
ROFLMAO
Leprechauns make shoes ?
Yup. That's how you catch them - listen for the tap-tap-tap.

Gotta watch 'em, though - they're tricksters.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#196565 Dec 27, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
But it can buy you a happy ending.
I, uh...

erm....

Don't know what you mean.

:\

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#196566 Dec 27, 2013
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T...
RiversideRedneck wrote:
The Ussher chronology is wrong, even from a biblical standpoint. Genesis 1 offers no real time frame of the ages Creation. The begats in the Bible can only trace a time line of humans, not the age of the earth.
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T...
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Yes, that's it. You know what Biblical judgement means, I don't have to explain it to you.
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T...
RiversideRedneck wrote:
You are horribly bigoted, IANS. I don't know if you know that...
As for bigoted, I gave arguments for each of these three opinions. Not a single one of your responses - all from the same page, no less - is a defense of the points I made in my posts, the first being that a genealogy of 32 consecutive men is not credible, the second being that the god of the Christian bible sanctions thought crimes, and the last being that it was the Christians that chose Bush despite his fascistic tendencies while the rest of us rejected him by a large margin. All you offered in return was this series of empty responses..

I make my judgments based on thoughtful consideration of the evidence. They all point to the same conclusion about the validity of your beliefs and their consequences. If all you have to offer in their defense is what we see here, then you have no defense, just faith.

Since: Sep 08

La Junta, CO

#196568 Dec 27, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
"No wonder it's so hot there. An interesting aspect to this - if true - is that God created this race of man knowing the majority would be tortured forever with no hope of rescue. And placed them in a world where the tools of their demise are intensely pleasurable and readily available."
According to the story God didn't create man for that.
God is probably an ace when it comes to recycling.
Souls are created, perhaps? Some make it, some don't?
Nor all are souls worth keeping. God is unlikely to be a packrat.
Something has to keep those stars a burning.
Perhaps the greatest misunderstanding about that story is that going to heaven makes you a mindless sheep in a field. I would think a Creator wanted something more than that, but he couldn't allow eternal souls that weren't a little self disciplined. Energy isn't useful unless it is controlled. We are all, after all, just bundles of energy.
If one looks at the OT and NT, it was not the sheep of men, those who followed their earthly masters, such as Topix atheists, that were lifted into heaven. Those were men that even went against the religious leaders. They were strong men that believed in a higher authority and power. Every one of them.

Topix atheists like to argue against the religious, but they lack the cojones to question their academic and scientific "masters".

A bunch of pussies.

Since: Sep 08

La Junta, CO

#196570 Dec 27, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
The trouble with conceptions of "God" is that the early believers decided on a pattern that fit the monarchs they saw around them - a king who is petitioned, and if you find favor, he will raise his hand and intervene in affairs.
I don't think it works that way.
“Time to cash in your chips, put your ideas and beliefs on the table. See who has the bigger hand - you or the Mystery that pervades you."
-Adyashanti
I think you need to go back further to fathers and village elders for that.

I see the concept of "God" is the natural one for authority and rule based upon human social relations. It is easier to get a grip on that the higher intellectual perceptions that will wind up in roughly the same thing. Speaking in a technological way it is a balance of forces working to maintain a coherent entity.

Since: Dec 12

Yes, I'm an Atheist.

#196571 Dec 27, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>You should not mix straw men and red herrings.

It give your fallacies a nonsensical tone.

Hope this is helpful. Moron.
My opinion you mean? Cool, thanks but I will anyway.

Since: Dec 12

Yes, I'm an Atheist.

#196572 Dec 27, 2013
LCNin wrote:
<quoted text>A bit defensive but are not most trolls for atheism :-)

Hitler's Table Talk

(German: Tischgespräche) is the title given to a series of World War II conversations and monologues delivered by Adolf Hitler, which were transcribed from 1941 to 1944. Hitler's remarks were recorded by Heinrich Heim, Henry Picker, and Martin Bormann, and later published by different editors, under different titles, in three different languages.[1][2][3]

Martin Bormann, who was serving as Hitler's private secretary, persuaded Hitler to allow a team of specially picked officers to record in shorthand his private conversations for posterity. The first notes were taken by the lawyer Heinrich Heim, starting from 5 July 1941 to mid March 1942.[4] Taking his place, Henry Picker took notes from 21 March 1942 until 2 August 1942,[5] after which Heinrich Heim and Martin Bormann continued appending material off and on until 1944.

The talks were recorded at the Führerhauptquartier (Führer Headquarters)[4] in the company of Hitler's inner circle. The talks not only dwell on war and foreign affairs, but also Hitler's characteristic attitudes on religion, culture, philosophy, personal aspirations, and his feelings towards his enemies and friends.[3][6][7]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler%27s_Table...
Laughter is defensive? Thanks for letting me know :)

Since: Dec 12

Yes, I'm an Atheist.

#196573 Dec 27, 2013
Bongo wrote:
<quoted text>I don't understand how you formed that opinion when everyone Jesus forgave in those days was also told forthwith, go and sin no more. How many people do you really think can sin no more? Being kind is a fruit of the spirit.
Then you too are screwed.

Since: Sep 08

La Junta, CO

#196574 Dec 27, 2013
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Palos...

A 19 yr old suicidal man drives over a cliff 30 stories high into the rocks and ocean. And lives. So far.

At least an unusual event, eh?

Since: Dec 12

Yes, I'm an Atheist.

#196575 Dec 27, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>LOL. This is really a great thread. It has a relatively civil mood and a lot of interesting and witty posters.
I agree. I like it a lot. I'm staying.
Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#196576 Dec 27, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
You have never offended me, Eagle.
Trouble thyself none at all.
[tipping hat]

Since: Dec 12

Yes, I'm an Atheist.

#196577 Dec 27, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>Why do you think so? In what way is that word like a sword?

Does anybody else know this besides you? Why should I or anybody else agree with you?
The book is the word.

The sword is the word.

Bats are birds.

So the word is....
Bongo

Patchogue, NY

#196578 Dec 27, 2013
LuciFerr wrote:
<quoted text>
Then you too are screwed.
Good thing Jesus is my Lord and savoir , eh Juci
Bongo

Patchogue, NY

#196579 Dec 27, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
I would agree that if the Christian god actually exists, we have all been born into a horrible universe - one of the worst that we could imagine - and that.we are all in deep trouble. Did I ever share that argument with you? Please tell me what you think of this:
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/T0N0LOR...
Oh, so now life is a shit sandwich?

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#196581 Dec 27, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
As for bigoted, I gave arguments for each of these three opinions. Not a single one of your responses - all from the same page, no less - is a defense of the points I made in my posts, the first being that a genealogy of 32 consecutive men is not credible, the second being that the god of the Christian bible sanctions thought crimes, and the last being that it was the Christians that chose Bush despite his fascistic tendencies while the rest of us rejected him by a large margin. All you offered in return was this series of empty responses..
I make my judgments based on thoughtful consideration of the evidence. They all point to the same conclusion about the validity of your beliefs and their consequences. If all you have to offer in their defense is what we see here, then you have no defense, just faith.
What I meant by you are bigoted was this type of post:

"the Christians tend to not trust the non-Christians"

You condemn us for not trusting you while ignoring the same thing you do to us. Your bias is based on your double standards and non fairness. Do you think the non-Christians tend to not trust the Christians? I know you'd answer yes. Why didn't you include that? I think because you want to denigrate Christians and praise humanists and atheists.

RE the 32 males, why is that not credible? If your family were meticulous record keepers, you could trace back 32 generations and record it through the men only. I don't understand why you'd say it isn't credible.

I pretty much skipped past your Bush rant because I already told you that my vote for Bush was not based on his religion, then you ignore what I said and pretend that all Christians voted for him because he's a Christian and only because he's a Christian. I disagree with you. There are undoubtedly people out there that only voted for him for that, but to say what you said is just your bigotry.
Bongo

Patchogue, NY

#196582 Dec 27, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
Why do you think so? In what way is that word like a sword?
Does anybody else know this besides you? Why should I or anybody else agree with you?
Notwithstanding my difficulty articulating answers proficiently, Its a well known metaphor in the church. My little gideons bible is a switchblade. There are scripture that alludes to this, one particularly forboding reference is.....And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. If a person should anti process the word of God or come to a conclusion that its untrue or unacceptable the end result will not be pretty, unfortunately. Another is...Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. We know that Jesus eschewed violence and the sermon on the mount which you loathe, expressed much submission to aggressors. He rebuked Peter and healed the romans ear. THe sword or to say the word, is seen in action, being vehemently argued and analyzed and all manor of response till this day.
Bongo

Patchogue, NY

#196583 Dec 27, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
How is it possible to have proceeded this far along with the atheist handbook schtick without a single mention of Saul Alinski?
schtick,? its a fairly easily observable and predictable set of responses. This guys has tactics. He probably taught jesse Jackson everything he knows.

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