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Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“Ditat Deus”

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#196489 Dec 27, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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Another soul trusting Hitler's word.
If you read the actual trial evidence from Nuremberg, you would know that Hitler utilized Christian propaganda, portraying himself as a Christian, while plotting its demise.
Then you would not look so stupid by posting things like this thinking you are making a point.
The proof is in his actions. You are a fool to trust his word.
Immune to evidence, remember?

“Ditat Deus”

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#196490 Dec 27, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
That is impossible.
If it's all or none, then the answer has to be none.
How have you come to this supposed conclusion?

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#196491 Dec 27, 2013
Jim wrote:
<quoted text>Hitler's Christianity and his belief in god has been difficult for Creationists to silence this christmas.
Yep but hey, it's kinda funny.

“Ditat Deus”

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#196493 Dec 27, 2013
Jim wrote:
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Its pitiful that religious liars like buck can't accept that Hitler was Christian and kill jews because he thought god commanded him to:
“The anti-Semitism of the new movement (Christian Social movement)
was based on religious ideas instead of racial knowledge.”
[Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 3]
“I believe today that I am acting in the sense of the Almighty
Creator. By warding off the Jews I am fighting for the Lord’s work.”
[Adolph Hitler, Speech, Reichstag, 1936]
No way, a politician panders to the majority in a book and a speech?!?

Say it ain't so!

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#196494 Dec 27, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>So you don't know Hitler's every move.

Why did you post that you did?

And why did you lie, claiming that you know what his last words were?
I didn't post that I knew his every move.

I didn't claim to know what his last words were.

I also didn't write all the historical accounts, I do appreciate the compliment though.

At least Shrinkie doesn't bother with pretending to be rational. Sheesh.

You're out.
LCNin

United States

#196496 Dec 27, 2013
Jim wrote:
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Hitler's Christianity and his belief in god has been difficult for Creationists to silence this christmas.
“Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things.”-Hitler’s Table Talk, pg 7

“We must recognise, of course, that, amongst us, Christianity is coloured by Germanism.”-Hitler’s Table Talk, pg 46

“We’ll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State. We shall continue to preach the doctrine of National Socialism, and the young will no longer be taught anything but the truth.”-Hitler’s Table Talk, pg 62

“Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure.”-Hitler’s Table Talk, pg 51

“By nature the Duce is a freethinker, but he decided to choose the path of concessions. For my part, in his place I’d have taken the path of revolution. I’d have entered the Vatican and thrown everybody out—reserving the right to apologise later:“Excuse me, it was a mistake.” But the result would have been, they’d have been outside!”-Hitler’s Table Talk, pg 145

“So it’s not opportune to hurl ourselves now into a struggle with the Churches. The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death. A slow death has something comforting about it. The dogma of Christianity gets worn away before the advances of science. Religion will have to make more and more concessions. Gradually the myths crumble. All that’s left is to prove that in nature there is no frontier between the organic and the inorganic.”-Hitler’s Table Talk, pg 59

“But, even so, it’s impossible eternally to hold humanity in bondage with lies. After all, it was only between the sixth and eighth centuries that Christianity was imposed on our peoples by princes who had an alliance of interests with the shavelings. Our peoples had previously succeeded in living all right without this religion. I have six divisions of SS composed of men absolutely indifferent in matters of religion. It doesn’t prevent them from going to their deaths with serenity in their souls.”-Hitler’s Table Talk, pg 143

“Had Charles Martel not been victorious at Poitiers—already, you see, the world had fallen into the hands of the Jews, so gutless a thing was Christianity!—then we should in all probability have been converted to Mohammedanism, that cult which glorifies heroism and which opens the seventh Heaven to the bold warrior alone. Then the Germanic races would have conquered the world. Christianity alone prevented them from doing so.”-Hitler’s Table Talk, pg 667 (Talk about Islamo-fascism!)
“The priests of antiquity were closer to nature, and they sought modestly for the meaning of things. Instead of that, Christianity promulgates its inconsistent dogmas and imposes them by force. Such a religion carries within it intolerance and persecution. It’s the bloodiest conceivable.”-Hitler’s Table Talk, pg 322-323

“One cannot succeed in conceiving how much cruelty, ignominy and falsehood the intrusion of Christianity has spelt for this world of ours. If the misdeeds of Christianity were less serious in Italy, that’s because the people of Rome, having seen them at work, always knew exactly the worth of the Popes before whom Christendom prostrated itself.”-Hitler’s Table Talk, pg 288

“With what clairvoyance the authors of the eighteenth, and especially those of the past, century criticised Christianity and passed judgment on the evolution of the Churches!”-Hitler’s Table Talk, pg 88

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#196497 Dec 27, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>No way, a politician panders to the majority in a book and a speech?!?

Say it ain't so!
No way, the Nuremberg trials covered his crimes and not his personal beliefs?

Say it ain't so!

If Hitler's own self proclaimed beliefs, even though witnessed, mean nothing, then so do yours.

You're not a christian, you're a topix paid troll.

See how that works?

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#196500 Dec 27, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>Then no, you have not read it. You're lying.

You have Hitler's word, which you trust.

I have stuff like this:

Word for Word/The Case Against the Nazis; How Hitler's Forces Planned To Destroy German Christianity

By JOE SHARKEY
Published: January 13, 2002

"THE chilling testimony of crimes against humanity by the Nazi regime in Hitler's Germany have been on the historical record since the Nuremberg war-crimes trials of 1945 and 1946. But any criminal prosecution, and especially one as mammoth as the case against Nazi Germany, consists of far more than public testimony in court. The Nuremberg trials were also built on many millions of pages of supporting evidence: documents, summaries, notes and memos collected by investigators."

And this:

Baldur von Schirach, the Nazi leader of the German youth corps that would later be known as the Hitler Youth:

''The destruction of Christianity was explicitly recognized as a purpose of the National Socialist movement''

Dig in your heels. It's rough sledding for Hitler-believers like you, given all the evidence that came out from Nuremberg.
I know Baldur was an atheist. You couldn't find anything saying that Hitler was, can you?

Lmao.

“Ditat Deus”

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#196501 Dec 27, 2013
LuciFerr wrote:
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I didn't post that I knew his every move.
I didn't claim to know what his last words were.
I also didn't write all the historical accounts, I do appreciate the compliment though.
At least Shrinkie doesn't bother with pretending to be rational. Sheesh.
You're out.
You are a liar.

Yesterday you posted Hitler's supposed last words before he shot himself.

Today you posted that there "is available information on Hitler's every move".

Stop lying. It doesn't help you in any way.

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#196503 Dec 27, 2013
christians think that christians don't kill other christians.

Bucky duck thinks that because a guy who isn't Hitler was an atheist that means that Hitler was not a christian.

RR thinks that if Hitler said he was a christian RR can say that he was not because it suits him.

Lesson for today? The creationists don't want Hitler to have been a christian and will stomp their feet and make personal attacks if history refuses to change magically, just for them.

At least the Buddhists have the decency not to refute their part in WW2. I respect that.

Fun fact: even if a gazillion historians didn't classify the WW2 body count as religious, religion (esp christianity) would still have the much higher death toll.

Have fun with that.

More wars to come :)
LCNin

United States

#196504 Dec 27, 2013
Hitler as atheist

“So it’s not opportune to hurl ourselves now into a struggle with the Churches. The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death. A slow death has something comforting about it. The dogma of Christianity gets worn away before the advances of science. Religion will have to make more and more concessions. Gradually the myths crumble. All that’s left is to prove that in nature there is no frontier between the organic and the inorganic.”-Hitler’s Table Talk, pg 59

http://conservativecolloquium.wordpress.com/2...

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#196507 Dec 27, 2013
LCNin wrote:
Hitler as atheist

“So it’s not opportune to hurl ourselves now into a struggle with the Churches. The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death. A slow death has something comforting about it. The dogma of Christianity gets worn away before the advances of science. Religion will have to make more and more concessions. Gradually the myths crumble. All that’s left is to prove that in nature there is no frontier between the organic and the inorganic.”-Hitler’s Table Talk, pg 59

http://conservativecolloquium.wordpress.com/2...
A blog? LOL

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#196508 Dec 27, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>You are a liar.

Yesterday you posted Hitler's supposed last words before he shot himself.

Today you posted that there "is available information on Hitler's every move".

Stop lying. It doesn't help you in any way.
RR

"I don't like what you're saying and did not read your post properly."

=

"You're a liar!"

Whatever dude.

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#196510 Dec 27, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Believing and knowing are the difference between agnosticism and atheism, and why one can be both, either, or neither.
FOUR COMBINATIONS of KNOWING and BELIEVING
If you believe there is a god or gods, you are a theist. If you don't believe that, you are an atheist. You must be one or the other, and cannot be both or neither.
If you claim to know that what you believe is a fact, then you are gnostic, If you admit that you do not know, you are agnostic. Once again, you must be one or the other, and cannot be both or neither.
This makes four conditions possible:
[1] Agnostic atheist – Does not accept the claim that gods exists, but doesn't claim to know that none do for a fact.
[2] Gnostic atheist - Believes that no god exists and claims to know so for a fact.
[3] Agnostic theist - Believes a god exists, but doesn't claim to know so for a fact.
[4] Gnostic theist - Believes a god exists and claims to know that this belief is true.
Most theists claim to be gnostic [4], that is, to know that a god exists, as do a few atheists [2]. Atheists like me claim to be agnostic [1], that is,we do not assert that gods definitely. A few theists do as well [3].
This more modern nomenclature is supplanting the older schema popularized by Webster and argued by Buck that offers three categories - atheist, agnostic and theist - arranged in a linear scale analogous to small, medium and large, and which lumps both kinds of agnostics (believing and unbelieving) together in the middle category.
You left out my category.

[5] Apathetic atheist - Does not believe in gods but really doesn't give a shit.

“Ditat Deus”

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#196511 Dec 27, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
APOLOGY TO ALL TOPIX FANS
I have been sitting here arguing with two Hitler apologists.
Aside from other things the defending of Hitler says about them, this gives an indication of the merits of arguing with them
It was unwise of me.
I apologize to all my fans.
-Buck B. Crick
BBC?

“Ditat Deus”

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#196512 Dec 27, 2013
River Tam wrote:
You left out my category.
[5] Apathetic atheist - Does not believe in gods but really doesn't give a shit.
Would you rather have a pogo stick for a leg or a monkey for an arm?
LCNin

United States

#196513 Dec 27, 2013
LuciFerr wrote:
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A blog? LOL
A bit defensive but are not most trolls for atheism :-)

Hitler's Table Talk

(German: Tischgespräche) is the title given to a series of World War II conversations and monologues delivered by Adolf Hitler, which were transcribed from 1941 to 1944. Hitler's remarks were recorded by Heinrich Heim, Henry Picker, and Martin Bormann, and later published by different editors, under different titles, in three different languages.[1][2][3]

Martin Bormann, who was serving as Hitler's private secretary, persuaded Hitler to allow a team of specially picked officers to record in shorthand his private conversations for posterity. The first notes were taken by the lawyer Heinrich Heim, starting from 5 July 1941 to mid March 1942.[4] Taking his place, Henry Picker took notes from 21 March 1942 until 2 August 1942,[5] after which Heinrich Heim and Martin Bormann continued appending material off and on until 1944.

The talks were recorded at the Führerhauptquartier (Führer Headquarters)[4] in the company of Hitler's inner circle. The talks not only dwell on war and foreign affairs, but also Hitler's characteristic attitudes on religion, culture, philosophy, personal aspirations, and his feelings towards his enemies and friends.[3][6][7]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler%27s_Table...
Jim

Scunthorpe, UK

#196514 Dec 27, 2013
LCNin wrote:
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A bit defensive but are not most trolls for atheism :-)
Hitler's Table Talk
(German: Tischgespräche) is the title given to a series of World War II conversations and monologues delivered by Adolf Hitler, which were transcribed from 1941 to 1944. Hitler's remarks were recorded by Heinrich Heim, Henry Picker, and Martin Bormann, and later published by different editors, under different titles, in three different languages.[1][2][3]
Martin Bormann, who was serving as Hitler's private secretary, persuaded Hitler to allow a team of specially picked officers to record in shorthand his private conversations for posterity. The first notes were taken by the lawyer Heinrich Heim, starting from 5 July 1941 to mid March 1942.[4] Taking his place, Henry Picker took notes from 21 March 1942 until 2 August 1942,[5] after which Heinrich Heim and Martin Bormann continued appending material off and on until 1944.
The talks were recorded at the Führerhauptquartier (Führer Headquarters)[4] in the company of Hitler's inner circle. The talks not only dwell on war and foreign affairs, but also Hitler's characteristic attitudes on religion, culture, philosophy, personal aspirations, and his feelings towards his enemies and friends.[3][6][7]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler%27s_Table...
Poor religious weasel, destined to repeat christian hitler's style of propoganda.
Jim

Scunthorpe, UK

#196515 Dec 27, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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Point to where I ever said Hitler was an atheist.
You dumbass.
Baldur was a leader among Nazis. He expressed the Nazi plan for destroying Christianity.
Hint....just a small hint...
Bwahahahahahahahahaha....
Baldur must have plotted against the great Christian Hitler, huh?
Bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha...
Religious liar caught out once again.
Jim

Scunthorpe, UK

#196516 Dec 27, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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You should not mix straw men and red herrings.
It give your fallacies a nonsensical tone.
Hope this is helpful. Moron.
You should find evidence of the god you are bleating about, instead of trying to form sentences.

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