Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Jim

London, UK

#196167 Dec 26, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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This case is not one of language evolving.
It's an obvious case of manipulation for an agenda.
You will have to get up earlier to lecture me on language, little friend.
Your agenda is all over the internet since 2005 - The Wedge Strategy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wedge_strategy

That's how you lying manipulators tried to decieve society - and failed to.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#196168 Dec 26, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
You just voiced the opinion of six people, man.
It aint necessarily so wrote:
Not exactly. Two of them were George Bush and Pat Robertson, two men that have been embraced by millions of Christians each. Their opinions resonate with Christians to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars in contributions to each..
RiversideRedneck wrote:
See? More of your double standard. You openly say that the people that support Bush, Robertson, et al are doing it in the name of Christianity
Nope. Not what I said. I contradicted you that the opinions of Bush and Robertson represent only themselves.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
But you refuse to admit the supporters of Stalin, Guevara, et al aren't doing it in the name of atheism. No, no, no. They're doing in it the name of politics, you say.
I said no such thing. Nor have I been asked to "admit" any such thing.

I have said, however, that Hitler represented the German people of his era, including much or most of the Christian clergy. His message resonated with them, which is an indictment of the character of those people.
Jim

London, UK

#196169 Dec 26, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I will never be an atheist.
Isn't it funny how nobody Atheist cares? See? It's a conclusion, not a belief.

If you understand facts and logic, and you can put the pieces together, you end up atheist. Its not something someone can hynotise you into believing - like religion does.
Jim

London, UK

#196170 Dec 26, 2013
Atheism doesn't "win" by making more people Atheist.

Atheism is simply a disbelief in religion and religious liars and nothing more than that.
LCNlin

United States

#196171 Dec 26, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Atheism is a religion like health is a disease state.
Atheism is a religion like death is a lifestyle.
Atheism is a religion like nonsmoking is a habit.
Atheism is a religion like fasting is a menu entree.
Atheism is a religion like unemployment is a career choice.
Atheism is a religion like nudity is a fashion style.
Atheism is a religion like abstinence is a sexual position.
Atheism is a religion like off is a radio station and silence a song playing on it.
Internet Atheists cannot come to terms with the fact
that the claim of the nonexistence of deities is a belief.

Internet Atheists claim that atheism is a lack
of belief which is actually agnosticism.
Jim

London, UK

#196172 Dec 26, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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No it isn't. It's a disbelief in deities.
Since all deities are religious its the same thing. PS no evidence of god since the dawn of time itself. Who are you deluding?
Jim

London, UK

#196173 Dec 26, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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No, no civilized society will agree with that.
It's a fairly well-accepted principle that we don't kill people for thinking about bad things.
Sam Harris, an atheist neuroscientist, I think, should never be listened to by anyone.
He is one of the atheists who are Hitler-prone.
Why should we trust the opinion of a prison incarcerated ogre who thinks the earth is 300 years old?

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#196174 Dec 26, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:

“Some beliefs are so dangerous that it may be ethical to kill people for believing them”

Sam Harris, The End of Faith, pp.52-53.
HipGnosis wrote:
You wouldn't want to flesh that out with the author's context, would you? D'ya suppose the connection to terrorism might mitigate it just a little? In fact, people of all persuasions might even agree with it?
I can see no justifiable reason to kill a person for a belief.

I'm not atheist.
Jim

London, UK

#196175 Dec 26, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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He is one of the atheists who are Hitler-prone.
Hitler was christian - nice try.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#196176 Dec 26, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Nope. Not what I said. I contradicted you that the opinions of Bush and Robertson represent only themselves.
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I said no such thing. Nor have I been asked to "admit" any such thing.
I have said, however, that Hitler represented the German people of his era, including much or most of the Christian clergy. His message resonated with them, which is an indictment of the character of those people.
Well, you're wrong.

Hitler represented the Nazis, not the German people.

No more than Robertson represents American Christians.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#196177 Dec 26, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:

I will never be an atheist.
Jim wrote:
Isn't it funny how nobody Atheist cares?
You obviously do...

“The future begins”

Since: Jul 07

every moment

#196178 Dec 26, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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Actually, I used the wrong term.
It should be "fixed" or "static" resources; not finite.
Of course, all resources are finite. I should have used static vs. dynamic.
My apologies.
I maintain my disagreement with your assertion. I think what you are describing is selfishness, which is a component in common with biological survival and capitalism. But I don't think the cause and effect case with Darwinism can be made for capitalism.
Fixed, static, or finite - the choice doesn't change a thing. It's just a semantic ploy piled on top of a previous semantic ploy in service to an attempt to demonize a scientific theory for no other reason than that it >seems< to threaten the fundamentalist status quo.

Total and complete, laissez-faire, free-market capitalism is a branch of science describing an economic theory, end and period. It is not "selfish" any more than it can be angry, sad, happy or glad. Those are merely anthropomorphic descriptors of it's effects in the hands of humans.

Exactly like correlating Darwinism with Hitler.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#196179 Dec 26, 2013
Jim wrote:
Since all deities are religious its the same thing.
There's a huge difference between a god and a religion of that god.

You're an idiot.
Jim

London, UK

#196180 Dec 26, 2013
LCNlin wrote:
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Internet Atheists cannot come to terms with the fact
that the claim of the nonexistence of deities is a belief.
Internet Atheists claim that atheism is a lack
of belief which is actually agnosticism.
Idiot religious liars enojy opening their mouths, but out comes no evidence.
Jim

London, UK

#196181 Dec 26, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Well, you're wrong.
Hitler represented the Nazis, not the German people.
No more than Robertson represents American Christians.
hitler was Christian until the time he commited suicide.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#196182 Dec 26, 2013
Jim wrote:
Hitler was christian - nice try.
Many Topix Atheists! were also Christian.

IANS, karl44 and boooots come to mind.

But they're not Christian any more.

Like Hitler.

Your point?
Jim

London, UK

#196183 Dec 26, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
RiversideRedneck wrote:
I will never be an atheist.
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You obviously do...
Considering you are the religious troll, failing in the atheist forum, what does that say about your certainty?
Jim

London, UK

#196184 Dec 26, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
There's a huge difference between a god and a religion of that god.
You're an idiot.
You keep saying "you're an idiot", but there's no evidence for god coming out of your liar mouth.
Jim

London, UK

#196185 Dec 26, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Many Topix Atheists! were also Christian.
IANS, karl44 and boooots come to mind.
But they're not Christian any more.
Like Hitler.
Your point?
you only get a point when you present evidence of the god you've failed to lie about successfully here.

“The future begins”

Since: Jul 07

every moment

#196186 Dec 26, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Well, you're wrong.
Hitler represented the Nazis, not the German people.
No more than Robertson represents American Christians.
I'd have to disagree with that about the German people.

I read Wm Schierer's "Rise And Fall Of The Third Reich" expressly to find that out - how did the German people allow this to happen?(and I have a partial Germanic heritage so let's dispense with that).

You're right - a few people did express reservations. A very few. They didn't do it for long.

But the disheartening thing was that the vast - vast - majority of the people were supportive, and very often wildly enthusiastic, and yes, even with the Jewish pogroms, ghettos, and inevitable genocide (Google "Einsatzgrupen" (sp?)). The historical antecedents that led to that place are complex, but the fact remains, Hitler did in fact substantially represent the German people.

Sentiment didn't really begin to turn (very quietly) until after the failed Russian campaign.

And those historical antecedents relative to the Jews can be traced directly to Martin Luther.

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