Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“The future begins”

Since: Jul 07

every moment

#195491 Dec 24, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
Stalin's murder, and all communist murder, has been for atheism.
It's a historical fact.
"For atheism" would only be true if atheism was the singular goal of the perpetrators. It was not. The primary goal was ideologically-based, not religious (or quasi-religious, as your assertion implies). That is an historical fact.

I believe your assertion is defensive, attempting to create some kind of equivalency, born in an embarrassed recognition that many historical atrocities have been solidly based with a faith-based goal in mind.

“The future begins”

Since: Jul 07

every moment

#195492 Dec 24, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, I'm getting plenty out of this.
I'm learning tolerance that I didn't have before, primarily directed at gays. The conversations I've had with several people here have opened my eyes and made me realize that I've been wrong and intolerant all these years. I'm doing what I can to change that. I've learned to tap into my "inner Jesus".
I've also learned that some atheists are good people that really care about freedom and justice and choice while others are militant ass holes that want nothing more than to slander Christianity and do what they can to help diminish the church and make Christians look like the worst people on the planet.
I've also learned what fallacies are and how they operate in discussion and argument.
I've also learned about control issues and how they are nothing but a detriment to relationships.
You? Are you getting anything out of this? Be honest.
I concur whole-heartedly with the progression you stated here, and more importantly applaud this statement as one of the most vulnerable and honest I've read in my time in topix. I disagree with most of your stances, but admire your willingness to open dialogue and open minds.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#195493 Dec 24, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
You're quite the philosopher and spiritual genius, Dave.
Comes from my experimentation with pot "as an adult" and life experiences.

Note the term experimentation, and not mental addiction. Got the goody out of it and left it behind. Moderation, except for my nicotine addiction, is one of my hallmarks.

Some things are OK for kick starting mental processes, but you don't want to be dependent on them to maintain your mental balance. For one, it enslaves you to the suppliers. As a palliative care specialist you should be fully aware of that.

The phone thawed out. It traveled in cold storage over the weekend. There is a learning curve on it I am getting a grasp on. I do like old phones with cords and keypads with human sized keys to push that you can look at while talking. But it is a cool phone.

I'm curious. Are there any Deadhead marching teddy bear organizations where they all get together and march in step while toking on a joint?

Merry Christmas, IANS.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#195494 Dec 24, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
I thought atheism was not a belief, but only a rejection of evidence for god?
Yet here, you state definitively that god is imaginary.
Which is it?
Your conclusion proves a belief - that belief being god is non-existent.
No such definitive knowledge exists, so your conclusion is an extension beyond knowledge.
You are, therefore, expressing a belief.
But atheism is not a belief, right?
Sure. Right.
Are you a member of "The Society of the Godless"?
Do you believe you should kill people who believe in God?
Just trying to figure out how strong your "non-belief" is.
Stalin's mass murders reflected a really strong non-belief. Really strong.
I bet the survivors are really glad Stalin didn't have a "belief", huh?
Way to go with the strawman, Twinkletoes!

Yes, your deity is as imaginary as pixies, elves trolls and gnomes.

At no point did I state that that was a "belief". That's your assertion, and it's still bloody wrong.

Just to clear this up, if you ever provide proof of your deity, I will, of course, believe in it. That's how it works.

Won't stop me from immediately joining the Résistance.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#195495 Dec 24, 2013
Jim wrote:
Atheism is a simple disbelief in religion. Some religious people find disbelief offensive.
Atheism isn't about religion.

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Since: Jul 12

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#195496 Dec 24, 2013
Jim wrote:
No evidence for god , why are you wasting your time in the Atheism forum trying to defend your fraud?
God has spoken to me.

God has touched me.

That's evidence enough for me.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#195497 Dec 24, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
Hey, IANS is my friend.
The rumors of him being a murderous dictator are overblown.
Apparently you haven't seen to photos.....

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#195498 Dec 24, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
Doctrine.
Oh.

Thanks for clearing that up.

O__O

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#195499 Dec 24, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
I guess what we need are some black posters, so you can learn some more tolerance.
Take your time.
You started way, way back, engorged with intolerance.
You lie.

I'm not intolerant to black folks.

Another lie-o-meter for Nano...

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#195500 Dec 24, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
Stalin's murder, and all communist murder, has been for atheism.
It's a historical fact.
I know.

Just like the Inquisition was for Christianity.

The difference is, Christians admit to their errors in history.

Atheists won't.

“Ditat Deus”

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#195501 Dec 24, 2013
Happy Lesbo wrote:
.. if a person has a gay identity, homosexuality is normal, heterosexuality abnormal ..
.. embarrassed? Is that a ploy to invoke shame? If so, it's not going to work ..
.. historically, homosexuals have been bullied, imprisoned, tortured and killed ..
.. in Africa, it continues thanks to the efforts of Evangelical Christians. In Muslim countries, it's always been this way thanks to a few scriptures in the bible and Koran ..
.. no RR, it's not about embarrassment, it's about fear ..
I didn't pretend that what I wrote was fact, HL. Just my opinion.

I understand that to gays, their identity, lifestyle, orientation, preference, whatever you want to call it, is normal. What I meant is "normal" to society, to nature.

No, I meant no ploy, no shame. It's my opinion that some (SOME) gays are embarrassed for being gay. Why? Probably due to societies irrationalities.

I'm not talking about any countries in Africa or the Middle East, I'm talking about America. I don't see why a person would fear exposing their sexuality here.

Since: Jun 12

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#195502 Dec 24, 2013
Happy Lesbo wrote:
.. if a person has a gay identity, homosexuality is normal, heterosexuality abnormal ..
.. embarrassed? Is that a ploy to invoke shame? If so, it's not going to work ..
.. historically, homosexuals have been bullied, imprisoned, tortured and killed ..
.. in Africa, it continues thanks to the efforts of Evangelical Christians. In Muslim countries, it's always been this way thanks to a few scriptures in the bible and Koran ..
.. no RR, it's not about embarrassment, it's about fear ..
http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthought...

rompted by the recent revival of Uganda’s so-called “Anti-Homosexuality Bill,” Saddleback Church’s Rick Warren has once again sent out his 2009 “encyclical video”(interesting phrase, that) to his fellow pastors in Uganda:

We can never deny or water down what God’s word clearly teaches about sexuality. At the same time, the Church must stand to protect the dignity of all individuals, just as Jesus did and commanded all of us to do.... Since God created all, and Jesus suffered and died for all, then we are to treat all with respect.

The bill has long been opposed by Christian groups including the Roman Catholic Church, the Anglican Church of Canada, Exodus International, and Courage. In a letter to Uganda’s president, Exodus International wrote:”The Christian church ... must be permitted to extend the love and compassion of Christ to all. We believe that this legislation would make this mission a difficult if not impossible task to carry out.”

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#195503 Dec 24, 2013
HipGnosis wrote:
<quoted text>I concur whole-heartedly with the progression you stated here, and more importantly applaud this statement as one of the most vulnerable and honest I've read in my time in topix. I disagree with most of your stances, but admire your willingness to open dialogue and open minds.
I'm that internet guy that admits to being broke, having flaws, learning from others, etc.

There's nothing to gain by being dishonest.

I thank you for the kind words.

Since: May 10

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#195504 Dec 24, 2013
HipGnosis wrote:
<quoted text>"For atheism" would only be true if atheism was the singular goal of the perpetrators. It was not. The primary goal was ideologically-based, not religious (or quasi-religious, as your assertion implies). That is an historical fact.
I believe your assertion is defensive, attempting to create some kind of equivalency, born in an embarrassed recognition that many historical atrocities have been solidly based with a faith-based goal in mind.
Wrong. It would not have to be the singular goal.

Mass murder for atheism is religious-based.

It just happens to be anti-religious.

And wrong again, on "some kind of equivalence".

Atheist mass murder FAR EXCEEDS its religious counterpart.

Atheism has killed hundreds of thousands times more than religions.

“Ditat Deus”

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#195505 Dec 24, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Way to go with the strawman, Twinkletoes!
Yes, your deity is as imaginary as pixies, elves trolls and gnomes.
At no point did I state that that was a "belief". That's your assertion, and it's still bloody wrong.
Just to clear this up, if you ever provide proof of your deity, I will, of course, believe in it. That's how it works.
Won't stop me from immediately joining the Résistance.
You're nuts if you think this line of "reasoning" is going to work.

Everyone knows that pixies, elves, trolls and gnomes are fictional characters.

Billions of people around the world believe God is a real being.

The atheists are the only ones that think deities aren't real.

But even you keep open-minded enough to say "Well, if there's ever any evidence...."

I guran-damn-tee you that you don't wait for evidence of gnomes.

Since: May 10

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#195506 Dec 24, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Way to go with the strawman, Twinkletoes!
Yes, your deity is as imaginary as pixies, elves trolls and gnomes.
At no point did I state that that was a "belief". That's your assertion, and it's still bloody wrong.
Just to clear this up, if you ever provide proof of your deity, I will, of course, believe in it. That's how it works.
Won't stop me from immediately joining the Résistance.
I didn't say you stated it as a belief.

But as you stated it, it is a belief.

Your conclusion of non-existence surpasses objective knowledge.

It is, therefore, your belief.

Whether you state it as your belief is irrelevant.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#195507 Dec 24, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
God, I love beating up on supercilious and arrogant idiots on cold mornings. Enhances the high from my tobacco.
Thanks for all you do to make the world a better place, Dave. Your wisdom, good cheer, and kind heart are legendary. You've led an exemplary life, making difficult but wise choices at every turn, and as a result, your life advice is highly esteemed and much coveted. We could all learn a lot from a spiritual genius like you.

I'll bet that you have a serene holiday in store, with plenty of time alone for reflection on all that you have accomplished and all of the lives that you have blessed in the past year. We weren't so lucky. Please give us a thought, will you?

“The future begins”

Since: Jul 07

every moment

#195508 Dec 24, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
Stalin's murder, and all communist murder, has been for atheism.
It's a historical fact.
Thinking further on this simplistic assertion. In my own heritage, my paternal ancestors were Anabaptists who came to America after being hounded out of Europe by Calvinists. My maternal ancestors came after being starved out of Ireland.

In that case, it could simplistically be said that both were examples of Christian oppression, with the complicating factor of it being a Christian-on-Christian crime. In the true analysis tho' there were multiple levels of human depravity at work. In the case of the Irish, the bias of the oppressors was racial, ie superior Britons vs. subhuman Irish. The aggravating component was religious, ie "true Christians" vs Papists. But the rationale was pure free-market capitalism, ie the overlords systemically disenfranchised the Irish and then refused to aid the resultant suffering because (they claimed) it would "skew" grain prices.

There's far more to human oppression than existential beliefs, but in both of these examples, my Christian ancestors may as well have been atheists for all the good it did them among fellow "Christians".

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#195509 Dec 24, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Atheism isn't about religion.
And there you're right again.

Atheism is about evidence, and you're totally screwed.

Since: May 10

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#195510 Dec 24, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Way to go with the strawman, Twinkletoes!
Yes, your deity is as imaginary as pixies, elves trolls and gnomes.
At no point did I state that that was a "belief". That's your assertion, and it's still bloody wrong.
Just to clear this up, if you ever provide proof of your deity, I will, of course, believe in it. That's how it works.
Won't stop me from immediately joining the Résistance.
You re-stated a belief, and re-stated it is not a belief.

Nice going, hypocrite.

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