Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#191510 Dec 11, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
Did I translate the Preamble? I just posted it, and offered it as evidence that the purpose of the government was to benefit the American people in a variety of ways beyond what Buck saw as its purpose: to bolster the economy and steer cleat of profit making.
Yes, you translated it.

To fit your meaning and to help your cause that the government is supposed to take care of people.

You neglected to acknowledge that the Preamble is speaking about all Americans, not just the Americans in government or in power.

Your "evidence" falls flat because of that.
Nanny state? That was the conservative choice. Your nanny is reading your emails. Your nanny wants to restrict reproductive freedom, to tell you what you can smoke, and who you can marry.
The state I would support is the opposite.
LOL

They can read my emails if they want, I don't care. If it means a safer America, then let them have at it. They're looking for threats to America and her people, not for "hi mom" emails.

The Nanny State is when the government needs to hold your hand through everything and when you think that's the best way to do it and to impose as many regulations as needed to tell you the best way to live your life.

And of course, they'll need more tax money to do that.

That's YOUR utopian government, not mine.
If I had my druthers, I would slash your military budget by two thirds, your spying budget by half, eliminate your War on Drugs and Homeland Security Departments, eliminate your farm subsidies and other corporate welfare, and increase spending on ordinary Americans - more low interest school and business loans, better VA benefits, universal health care, double the minimum wage, etc.- and infrastructure. Your government would be about 25-40% of the size it is, and your taxes would plummet.
Is that what you mean by a nanny state?
You consistently trust the wrong people.
I got a better idea.

How about the goddamned government just stick to the military and police and let the civilians handle their own business.

THAT'S the governments job, not taking care of everybody.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#191511 Dec 11, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
the Constitution is dying
Buck Crick wrote:
It's your side's doing - liberals. Liberals have been on a relentless campaign to kill the Constitution for nearly a hundred years
More evidence that we have no starting point from which to progress in discussion of political matters. I say that Bush used the Constitution as toilet paper:

"I don't give a goddamn," Bush retorted. "I'm the President and the Commander-in-Chief. Do it my way."

"Mr. President," one aide in the meeting said. "There is a valid case that the provisions in this law undermine the Constitution."

"Stop throwing the Constitution in my face," Bush screamed back. "It's just a goddamned piece of paper!"

RiversideRedneck

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Since: Jul 12

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#191512 Dec 11, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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<quoted text>
<quoted text>
You seem to have changed the subject from a claim that liberals will bitch and whine if you call the ACA "Obamacare," which I said hasn't happened here, to saying that the name is illegitimate. Are you bitching and whining about the name yourself now?
This is typical for our discussions
[Rolls boulder uphill]
I don't know if it's been discussed on this thread, but it has been discussed on this site.

Many people have corrected others, saying "It's ACA, not Obamacare."

Then the same douches turn around an say "Stupid Reagan and his stupid Star Wars".

When in fact the actual terms (abbreviated) would be ACA and SDI.

Do I call the ACA Obamacare, hell yes.

Do I know that's just a nickname, hell yes.

*pushes rope*

you're not making this easy.

RiversideRedneck

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#191513 Dec 11, 2013
Jim wrote:
<quoted text>
I searched Secular Humanism for the d*ck sucking advice you said would be there, but it turns out you were lying to me.
2 questions asked.

0 answered.

Are you getting posting lessons from Catcher1?

Buck Crick

Since: May 10

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#191514 Dec 11, 2013
The FBI testified that they used only non-pyrotechnic gas rounds - which would not be capable of starting a fire or depriving inhabitants of a closed space of oxygen.

However, recovered from inside the house were U.S. Military Mark 651 CS Projectile.

It is pyrotechnic, and has a burning time of 25 to 30 seconds.

In 1998, investigators gained access to evidence storage from the Waco siege.

The Mark 651 pyrotechnic cannisters were missing.

Janet "Kid" Reno was questioned about this.

She said she was very upset.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#191515 Dec 11, 2013
Jim wrote:
Why do theists get so angry when atheists wont play pretend with them?
Insecurity.

Buck Crick

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#191516 Dec 11, 2013
6 Military flashbang grenades were found in 3 locations of the house.

The 3 locations were the locations of the origin of the fires that burned it.

In evidence, the flash grenades were mis-labeled as "silencers".

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#191517 Dec 11, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
Janet Reno should be in prison today for firing CS Gas into a building full of children.
I don't know what she should or could have done except to give in to them demands of terrorist Christians, but I know that the parents and the spiritual leader of those children had weeks to let them out of that compound and didn't. Based only on faith, they and they alone chose to use those children as hostages and body shields for Koresh.

And the outcome was predictable: Either the Branch Davidians would eventually relent and obey the lawful order to surrender, or they might all perish. They understood that. They had over seven weeks to do the right thing, and they refused. Blame faith, not law enforcement:

"Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it, you'd have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. For good people to do evil things, it takes religion." – Nobelist Steven Weinberg

RiversideRedneck

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Since: Jul 12

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#191518 Dec 11, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
<quoted text>
More evidence that we have no starting point from which to progress in discussion of political matters. I say that Bush used the Constitution as toilet paper:
"I don't give a goddamn," Bush retorted. "I'm the President and the Commander-in-Chief. Do it my way."
"Mr. President," one aide in the meeting said. "There is a valid case that the provisions in this law undermine the Constitution."
"Stop throwing the Constitution in my face," Bush screamed back. "It's just a goddamned piece of paper!"
2007, then junior senator Obama:

“I was a constitutional law professor, which means unlike the current president I actually respect the Constitution.”

lol

Obama has unilaterally suspended enforcement of immigration law.

He has refused to prosecute drug law violators.

He simply stopped defending federal laws he didn’t like, like the Defense of Marriage Act, in court.

He issues waivers on Obamacare and the No Child Left Behind Act.

His Environmental Protection Agency has attempted to regulate carbon emissions when Congress didn’t push through a global warming bill.

He appointed members of the National Labor Relations Board in violation of law.

His administration rammed through an auto bailout that screwed bondholders, as well as a slush fund from British Petroleum.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#191519 Dec 11, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
I agree Kennedy was cool and Reagan was a square. Reagan was witty, however. I recall an account of the time when Reagan was trying to revive the "thumbs up" gesture. He and staff had just stepped in and sat down in the presidential limo among a crowd of onlookers. Reagan flashed the thumbs up through the car window. A young guy outside gave him a finger. Reagan turned to the person seated next to him and said, "See. It's catching on".
Reagan was charismatic. I probably would have liked the man if we never discussed politics.

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#191520 Dec 11, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
Insecurity.
No, Catcher isn't here...

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#191521 Dec 11, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Oh. Your kids celebrate Saturnalia. But not really. Thanks for making that clear.
People don't need a reason to celebrate. Look at New Years Eve, Cinco de Mayo, Halloween, Superbowl Sunday, and St. Patrick's Day. How is Christmas different? Or Thanksgiving. People with nothing celebrate that at shelters. What are you celebrating on the Fourth of July these days? The national debt? Gitmo?

Since: Dec 12

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#191522 Dec 11, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>You took it as a generalization.

Why?

I have no respect for two people that perform the miracle of ejaculating semen into a waiting and eager vagina.

Especially when those two aren't even a couple.

Especially when neither can support a the cost of having a child.

It used to be:

"Well, Suzy & Timmy... You done messed up, you're gonna have a baby. Tim, time to drop out of school and go get your ass a job. Suzy, you too. You have to be able to support yourselves."

Now it's:

"OMG Suzy!!! You're having a baaaaaa-aaaaby! Congratulations!!! You better get to the Welfare office soon, it takes a while for the benefits to kick in."

O__O
Another general assumption.

Since: Dec 12

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#191523 Dec 11, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>Several.

You know how many I've knocked up?

Zero.

You?
How do you know none of them got pregnant?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#191524 Dec 11, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
Buck has two principle modes of interaction. One is pleasant to work with, the other pointless. Certain issues bring out that second mode, and such issues are not worth discussing apart form dissenting and offering an alternate viewpoint. Buck becomes extreme, inflexible, aggressive, dismissive, and self-congratulatory. When I see that, I disengage and wait for the other Buck to return.
Buck Crick wrote:
I'm back, Sawbones.
I noticed. Thanks, and well done. This is the Buck I can communicate with.
Buck Crick wrote:
I'm thinking of starting a group of muslim conservatives. I have made close friends with one on the Richard Dawkins is a Pedophile thread. His name is Hazel Sealshit. I call him Uncle Hazel. I learned a new greeting: Al's Salami Abatome Epoxy to you.
I don't know if I could take these conversations if they were with fundie Muslims. Have you got a link, or are you just funnin' me?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#191525 Dec 11, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
Shit. I can't get the hang of this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =Md7OvU5JIcIXX
That's beautiful

Buck Crick

Since: May 10

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#191526 Dec 11, 2013
The President's point man on the Waco standoff and siege was Vince Foster.

90 days after the assault on the compound, he committed suicide.

Hillary Clinton's chief of staff, as sworn to in congressional testimony, Maggie Williams, took a box of files from Foster's office immediately after his death.

Testimony shows she took them to the White House residence.

Asked for what purpose they were taken there, the answer was - to be reviewed by the First Lady.

The whereabouts of those files is presently unknown.

Vince Foster's wife testified that he was depressed about the Waco incident, complained that the FBI was lying, and he blamed himself for the death of the children.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#191527 Dec 11, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
I know you'd prefer a government-knows-best, one-size-fits-all system
No you don't.

That's what the people you trust told you I think. I told you differently. Believe them on faith, or look at the evidence I provide and see what I actually believe. Your choice.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#191528 Dec 11, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
By god, they seemed to have plenty of stamina with me. More than I would have hoped for, as a matter of fact. A burned out tailight got me 2 years.
I like the whimsical Buck. It's only hunkering Buck that I avoid.

Catcher1

Since: Sep 10

Fremont, CA

#191529 Dec 11, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
For a price, the moneyed can use and mock me.
I've been paid less for worse.
I beat and robbed a guy one night in Birmingham and got 4 dollars.
And some change.
I have a case where a gang member took a park worker's bucket of tools, and told him he could have it back for $1.50.

The kid was convicted of extortion.

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