Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#191142 Dec 10, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
I was angry at Ford for the pardon he gave Nixon but looking back he did the right thing. A courageous act for the nation.
Really? Courageous?

We were told that we were too weary to go on and see justice done, and that it just needed to end. How weak would that be were it true - too tired for justice?

Sorry, but I prefer justice, especially in a case like that. What message did it send? I don't think Reagan had much reason to worry about any repercussions when he broke the law in a much bigger way. A similar message was sent when Oliver North was given immunity for what he had done. People should feel safe breaking the law in the White House or for it - unless they are named Clinton.

Letting Reagan walk was pretty much all Cheney and Bush needed to see to be even bolder. Likewise with their pardon of Libby, which sent the same message as the North thing.

Do you think that you would be pardoned for breaking the law? Probably not. Nor should you be. Nor should Nixon have been. How do you feel about the moral foundation of a legal system that applies only to some? Do you respect it? It seems you do.

Anyway, the cat is way out of the bag now in large part due to that first sin against the rule of law with Ford and Nixon, and presidents understand by a now firmly established precedent that they are above the law - conservative ones, anyway.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#191143 Dec 10, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
You are a pathetic liar.
Gorbachev's cabinet and the CIA and Nato and Thatcher concur with me.
But you have Dave and a few liberals.
I used to like you. Do you remember in the fall of 1973, President Nixon was giving a speech and he said, "The future ruler of the world will have an X in the center of their name"? That is because 4 years earlier, the Messiah was "crucified" in a government (naval) hospital. Psalm 22 is very detailed and there were many witnesses. That is why Jesus said the end would come within a generation which is 40 years. 22:30 Don't call me a liar, you're only projecting.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#191144 Dec 10, 2013
Tide with Beach wrote:
Who? Bible God is described by the Bible. Tom, Dick, and Harry might all be great guys too, if you imagine them that way.

If one has to be commanded to love anyone, that love is empty.
We've seen how Christians have treated non-Christians throughout history. Without the cultural influence of rational secular ethics, Christianity is just a sticky stinky shit bomb.
Good post.
Bongo

Patchogue, NY

#191145 Dec 10, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
If only.
If only you Genuine Christiansô actually practiced this.
If only you did...
... I'll await your horrid comments back to me.
Blob, they do. That's why all you haven't been rounded up, blob
Bongo

Patchogue, NY

#191146 Dec 10, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>I used to like you. Do you remember in the fall of 1973, President Nixon was giving a speech and he said, "The future ruler of the world will have an X in the center of their name"? That is because 4 years earlier, the Messiah was "crucified" in a government (naval) hospital. Psalm 22 is very detailed and there were many witnesses. That is why Jesus said the end would come within a generation which is 40 years. 22:30 Don't call me a liar, you're only projecting.
Are you one of those manson people or something?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#191147 Dec 10, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
I never heard of the rape case when [Bill Clinton] was Attorney General but I have no problem believing that his indiscretion goes waaaaay back.
And I canít speak for Hillary, what she thought or her motive for staying with him. But you could be right. I just donít know for sure. Most women would have dumped him.
Something we can agree is Bengasi Gate. Hillary nor our President caused this terrorist action. But in self serving interest they covered up the facts so as not to mar the election. I suspect Hillary was thinking about her future bid for President.
This whole incident following the death of the four Americans showed a lack of Leadership and self serving interest. A scandal swept under the rug by the left wing media. Just like when the ATF was buying assault weapons and giving them to Mexican Cartels.
President Obama doesnít know everything but by George he could have fired some people over stupid decision to arm drug cartels. That included his Attorney General. Since he didnít take action makes one wonder if he did know.
We havenít even touched the sanctioned abuses of the IRS. I would say the Federal Government under the leadership of the President is out of control and no one is held accountable. Someone should have been prosecuted.
Now you want accountablilty? Why? What's difference between these issues and Watergate?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#191148 Dec 10, 2013
Rider on the Storm wrote:
The government just paved the way. Pretty interesting video if you want to take the time........
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =VwcpOithag0XX
That was interesting. Thanks.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#191149 Dec 10, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/project s/2013/invisible-child/?smid=t w-nytimes#/?chapt=1
Don't need to hear the hypocrisy of the well off professors of secular humanism and anti-theists, or the condemnation of those well off who holler about free rides. That is reality. That could have been you. It has been going on forever. Liberals or no liberals. People will breed no matter what the circumstances are. That is a large part of the future. Whatcha gonna do about it but bitch and whine? It will take more than isms or half-assed laws to fix.
Do you see hope for people like that in America? I agree: that is America's future.

It's interesting that you lump liberals and progressives, who you call "hypocrites," in with the conservatives.

Liberals can't help that girl. We would if we could, but we can't - not given how so many Americans feel about people like her and about people like us, and not given the character, loyalties, and motivations of government representative.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#191150 Dec 10, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
And you are far from alone in that opinion. With all due respect, Buck, these conversations remind me of why I opted out of America. I concluded that your side is going to prevail, and I don't share your vision even a little.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Didn't you move to Mexico for the tamales?
If "tamales" is code for losing faith in one culture, and preferring to live in another with different weltanschauung, then yes.

========

Allow me:

Weltanschauung - a particular philosophy or view of life; the worldview of an individual or group.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#191151 Dec 10, 2013
UdiotRACEMAKEWORLDPEACE wrote:
Buck and those not so intelligent, the little joes of bunch believes in Authoritarian type values ,supporting corrupt leaders in power-greedy Corporatist agendas, whether knowingly or not, supported them in created this big mess we all seeing at home and abroad. ironic!

They need to wake up!
Good luck with that. People that share Buck's perspective are quite firmly entrenched in my experience - irreversibly so it seems.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#191152 Dec 10, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>
Sucker.
It benefits the payer by creating more customers.
Hook, line and sinker baby. You're a republican wet dream.
No, it does not.

Raising wages by mandate on the same employees creates no more customers.

Economics 101
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#191153 Dec 10, 2013
Bongo wrote:
<quoted text> Are you one of those manson people or something?
Not even close. That gives us a bad name. The boy who cried wolf.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#191154 Dec 10, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
How much aptitude do you need to believe in airy fairy stuff?
You call him a great thinker - second only to yourself - except for his ability to think analytically. By that measure, a cat can be a great thinker.
Dave is very smart. But he is a socialist.

I didn't know that until now.

Socialism/Liberalism is a temperament that warps thinking.

Same for you.

Socialists like you and Dave can be intelligent, but you have some sort of meme that attacks your rational thinking centers.

I have studied it a good bit. But the explanation of the phenomenon is very elusive.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#191155 Dec 10, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>I used to like you. Do you remember in the fall of 1973, President Nixon was giving a speech and he said, "The future ruler of the world will have an X in the center of their name"? That is because 4 years earlier, the Messiah was "crucified" in a government (naval) hospital. Psalm 22 is very detailed and there were many witnesses. That is why Jesus said the end would come within a generation which is 40 years. 22:30 Don't call me a liar, you're only projecting.
Good grief.

*walking away, slowly shaking head*

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#191156 Dec 10, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
I am pleasantly surprised to see you arguing this position, and am happy to give credit where credit is due.
And notwithstanding Buck's comments to the contrary, this is analysis - political analysis. You have looked at data bit by bit and understood its implications. Somehow, "they" have not reached you in this department. You are supposed to adore Reagan and despise liberals.
In this arena, Dave, you outshine Buck by orders of magnitude.
This is analysis?

I proved his analysis bogus.

Dave attempted to refute my evidence that Reagan's tax cuts led to an increase in federal revenue, but he queered the data by expressing it as a percentage of GDP.

He also attempted to show that Reagan made the tax code more regressive by pointing to the relative rise in payroll taxes.

I showed he was wrong by proving, first, that Reagan's measures only affected income taxes, and also by showing that, with the cuts, lower income earners' share of federal taxes went down.

Rational skeptics like me catch those kinds of things. You obviously didn't.

I am quite experienced at defeating revisionist arguments against the Reagan record.

Maybe you would like to join Dave and lose with him?

Since: Dec 12

Yes, I'm an Atheist.

#191157 Dec 10, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Good grief.

*walking away, slowly shaking head*
Lol. I slowly backed out, nodding and smiling.

Hya mac :)
Bongo

Patchogue, NY

#191158 Dec 10, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
Dave is very smart. But he is a socialist.
I didn't know that until now.
Socialism/Liberalism is a temperament that warps thinking.
Same for you.
Socialists like you and Dave can be intelligent, but you have some sort of meme that attacks your rational thinking centers.
I have studied it a good bit. But the explanation of the phenomenon is very elusive.
I suppose a benefit of being locked in a cell is you do a lot of reading.
Bongo

Patchogue, NY

#191159 Dec 10, 2013
LuciFerr wrote:
<quoted text>
Lol. I slowly backed out, nodding and smiling.
Hya mac :)
You do that a lot, Juci

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#191160 Dec 10, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
Christianity won as the ethics
It aint necessarily so wrote:
Christian ethics? Seriously?
Dave Nelson wrote:
You can't seem to get Christianity off your brain, IANS.
What are you ranting about here Dave? You mentioned Christianity, and I answered you.

It really is pointless discussing anything with you, isn't it?
Dave Nelson wrote:
God works through economics.
It aint necessarily so wrote:
And Jehovahn economics?
Dave Nelson wrote:
"Jehovahn economics"? How did you associate that with corporations?
It's a mystery, huh?[See above]
Dave Nelson wrote:
Hey, Bub, your contrary self is not on here ranting against Buddhist, Hindu, Greek, or Roman ethics. You are railing against the ethics of the religion du jour. Same old thing for almost 2000 years. No soup for you.
I'll leave the ranting to you. You're doing just fine, as when you crowned Christian ethics - the religion du jour - champion.

And sorry to contradict you with reality again, but I have criticized the Hindu's within the last 48 hours.

"To the extent that they deal in superstition, afterlives, spirits or otherworldliness, as with Shinto ancestor worship and the Hindu pantheon, Eastern philosophy can be as sterile and useless as its Western counterpart."
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T...

And I mock the Greek pantheon regularly. And the Aztecs. And the Vikings. Zeus, Quetzalcoatl and Thor are favorite references of mine. And the Kraken.

You don't really care about accuracy, do you?

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#191161 Dec 10, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
It's hard to believe that that comment was controversial or confusing. Buck demurred over it as well.
Yeah, I'll elaborate. The government has a job - a purpose for which it was established. Here it is:
"We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

You will search in vain in that statement for anything indicating government should take care of people economically.


ďThe American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money.Ē
&#8213; Alexis de Tocqueville

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