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Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Catcher1

Since: Sep 10

Fremont, CA

#187186 Nov 25, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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Rational atheists don't even make that claim.
They argue that the evidence is not compelling.
But rationality is not expected of you, so carry on.
I go a little further.

I argue that the evidence is lacking altogether.

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#187187 Nov 25, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Not at all - I advised you to keep posting your inane dribbling.
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You sound hot.

Ever felch?

Since: Apr 08

Cambridge, UK

#187188 Nov 25, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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He became a familiar face in the States as Ned Stark on Game of Thrones, whose character was pretty heroic as I recall - a man of loyalty and integrity that was executed unfairly. Was that show seen in the UK? Did you see it?
Hi IANS

I really enjoy Game of Thrones. I'd put it at the top of my list of favourite shows. Ahead of Breaking Bad, Homeland and The Walking Dead.

Sean Bean made his name back in the nineties in Sharpe. Based on the Napoleonic War books of Bernard Cornwell and well worth watching if you like tales of high adventure and derring do.

Buck Crick

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#187189 Nov 25, 2013
Thinking wrote:
I studied infinite dimensional Hilbert spaces which are used to analyse real world problems.
In order to do that, I didn't have to worship Hilbert unquestioningly like you do. You've got a thing about Hilbert.
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You can use infinite this or that to study real world problems all you want.

But when you claim infinity in nature, it's a different ball game.

Since: Sep 08

Rocky Ford, CO

#187190 Nov 25, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Then that was your argument.
I think the fact that emotions are universally agreed to exist but not gods makes them seem like different kinds of things. Do you recall me asking Dave Nelson about how we can know when people are reporting something with a material referent and when they are experiencing an illusion? I used a hypothetical military experience Afghanistan as the starting point.
Unfortunately, Dave isn't as interested in the ideas of others or the exchange of information with them as much as he likes reciting his poems using scientific term, and wouldn't cooperate. Not surprisingly, the wheels came off of the exercise after several posts had been exchanged with no progress being made, so I postponed the discussion until somebody interested in the subject came along. Perhaps that is you.
Do you recall the story and the problem? I'll restate it in case you didn't, or don't recall it:
You and the rest of your ten man detail are on maneuvers in an Afghani desert when an explosion kills three of your squad, and leaves you blind and limping.
Two three-man details leave you and go in opposite directions in search of water. They each return to you claiming that they have seen water in the distance, are planning to go to the water, and will help you get there with them since you are not expected to survive long enough for them to return with water for you.
Both groups swear that they have seen water, but it's very hot out, they're dehydrated, and you realize that one or both groups might be seeing things - a mirage.
Which will you follow, and how can you decide? In other words, is there a way to decide when a group of people claim to see something whether they actually do or not? How can you decide which one is describing reality?
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This problem deals more with experiences of physical objects outside of the body than with things like gods and emotions, but the discussion will be relevant to them all.
To bring adapt it to a subjective experience, lets add this exercise:
I used to ask myself, "How can I tell if my god blindness is like color blindness – blindness to something that is really there - or if the claims of seeing a god were like the paranoid's claims seeing danger that isn’t there?"
Why do the colorblind believe that the rest of us see color, but the non-paranoid don't believe the paranoids? What's is the essential difference?
The answers to all of these things are related.
LOL!

You will have to come up with something better than that lame ass example. Which I answered for you in a practical manner. However, you created a scenario and assumptions that only you think are relevant. I addressed that issue.

BTW, they left you alone with dead men in the first place. In addition, they will stay in a group together and analyze what had been seen. Their current leader will decide where to go. And whether to leave you there or not, again. They are the functioning ones.

Since: Apr 08

Cambridge, UK

#187191 Nov 25, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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It relates to God because billions of people throughout human history have experienced God, He's as real to us as your "experience the sunshine" analogy.
Not everything is proven by science.
I believe not everything can be proven by science.
You?
Actually, science doesn't prove anything.

What it does to is provide our best explanation of observable phenomena. That's real and tangible explanations that are testable and falsifiable.

Over the centuries, science has provided us with answers to many mysteries of our natural world; none of those answers cite magic as an explanation.
Thinking

Merthyr Tydfil, UK

#187192 Nov 25, 2013
No rational Atheist could argue otherwise.

If someone brings me some peer reviewed evidence of some form of god, I'll gladly look at it.
ChristineM wrote:
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What have you been smoking? There is no evidence of any sort for a god. What we,? The “we” in quotes was a quote and copied from my previous post that had a citation link to the quote
Thinking

Merthyr Tydfil, UK

#187193 Nov 25, 2013
Not me.

I'm mocking Buck's desire for anal rape.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I see.....
The freethinking atheist now mocks homosexuality...
Imagine that.
Thinking

Merthyr Tydfil, UK

#187194 Nov 25, 2013
Not me. Try Buck. Is it your religion that has made you desperate for sex?
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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You sound hot.
Ever felch?
Thinking

Merthyr Tydfil, UK

#187195 Nov 25, 2013
Yet you can never disprove it.
Buck Crick wrote:
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You can use infinite this or that to study real world problems all you want.
But when you claim infinity in nature, it's a different ball game.
Thinking

Merthyr Tydfil, UK

#187196 Nov 25, 2013
I checked in at T5 next to Arya Stark recently. She's so tiny. If my wife hadn't pointed her out I'd never have realised this little person with a modest suitcase was actually that huge on screen presence.
Khatru wrote:
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Hi IANS
I really enjoy Game of Thrones. I'd put it at the top of my list of favourite shows. Ahead of Breaking Bad, Homeland and The Walking Dead.
Sean Bean made his name back in the nineties in Sharpe. Based on the Napoleonic War books of Bernard Cornwell and well worth watching if you like tales of high adventure and derring do.

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#187197 Nov 25, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Not me. Try Buck. Is it your religion that has made you desperate for sex?
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Uh-huh...

Now you're claiming that a homosexual tendency makes a man "desperate for sex"...

Will you stop bashing gays, please?
Anon

Lakewood, OH

#187198 Nov 25, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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You sound hot.
Ever felch?
I see you've added crude to your list of attributes. God has truly blessed you, huh?

Since: Apr 08

Cambridge, UK

#187199 Nov 25, 2013
Thinking wrote:
I checked in at T5 next to Arya Stark recently. She's so tiny. If my wife hadn't pointed her out I'd never have realised this little person with a modest suitcase was actually that huge on screen presence.
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Nice one.

I saw Magnus Magnusson once - he'd had a skinful.

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#187200 Nov 25, 2013
Anon wrote:
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I see you've added crude to your list of attributes. God has truly blessed you, huh?
"crude" doesn't quite cut it.

and yes, God has truly blessed me.

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#187201 Nov 25, 2013
Khatru wrote:
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Actually, science doesn't prove anything.
What it does to is provide our best explanation of observable phenomena. That's real and tangible explanations that are testable and falsifiable.
Over the centuries, science has provided us with answers to many mysteries of our natural world; none of those answers cite magic as an explanation.
I agree.

You'll have to take this up with some of the Topix atheists, like blacklaggon. He thinks science proves everything.

You remember Sean Bean in GoldenEye? 006, I think... Good guy turned bad guy and all.

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#187202 Nov 25, 2013
Khatru wrote:
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Nice one.
I saw Magnus Magnusson once - he'd had a skinful.
I met Michael Dudikoff.

I was an extra in one of his movies, Soldier Boyz.

I know you haven't seen it, it was such a terrible B movie.

Dudikoff was an arrogant pill. Thought he was as cool as Van Damme or something.
Thinking

Merthyr Tydfil, UK

#187203 Nov 25, 2013
He'd started so of course he'd have to finish.

Saw Philip Schofield at T5 the other day. Looked miserable as sin.
Khatru wrote:
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Nice one.
I saw Magnus Magnusson once - he'd had a skinful.
Thinking

Merthyr Tydfil, UK

#187204 Nov 25, 2013
I'm not a homophobe.

Buck does make a lot of stories up about sex and prison.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Uh-huh...
Now you're claiming that a homosexual tendency makes a man "desperate for sex"...
Will you stop bashing gays, please?
blacklagoon

Brookline, MA

#187205 Nov 25, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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You understand?
That's a first, for me.
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I think humans have an innate desire to find the unfindable, I think it's just a part of our nature - just as much as it's our nature to procreate. I think people want to be connected to a greater good, a good that humans cannot be, "as good as God".
I think we're created in God's image, but we are a ruined version of Him.
By the fact that I have never killed anyone make me automatically better than your God. I have already achieved a "greater good" than your God. And because I don't condones slavery or rape, it makes me more moral than your God. If we're created in God image it's no wonder some of us are murderers and immoral. Of course no one created us, we are in fact a product of evolution.

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