Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Since: Oct 10

With Established Harem

#185786 Nov 19, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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Hi Happy, how’s it going?
I have had this same discussion with E12 on two occasions previously and both times I have provided links to various secular charities including the Red Cross (both American and British), United Nations Childrens Fund. Oxfam, Médecins Sans Frontières etc.
I know for a fact that those charities are working in Philippines.
I have also shown him links to major philanthropists who for the most part are atheist Warren Buffet, Mark Zuckerberg, Paul Allen and Segrey Brin come to mind here. Can’t say I know of any christian philanthropists but I’m sure there must be some
Atheist do not really bother advertising their charity because they have no need for extra god points therefore they have no need to shout there intentions on topix, like most people they just get on with what needs to be done. Having said that, as you say, people will be people and I would not mind betting that I have contributed more to the Philippines aid drive than he earns (or scrounges) in a month. In fact given that he protest so much I would not mind betting that he has not contributed a cent to any charity for Philippines aide purposes
However this will of course never stop his ignorant lying abuses, he will wait until the next disaster and start of on the same BS again… and again…. and ….
.. hi ya Chris ..

.. because non-believers do not financially support churches, in many instances a portion of their disposal income goes to worthy charities ..

.. here's something to consider: DOCTORS WITHOUT BORDERS ..

.. although the beliefs of these physicians are never made public, I know for a fact that a large percentage are atheist. They freely donate their time to help those in need. That's as good as donating money to charities ..

.. to think atheists do not help the less fortunate is a misnomer ..
Thinking

Merthyr Tydfil, UK

#185787 Nov 19, 2013
You've made a claim that your god is not all powerful. I assumed you've arrived at that to get past the old issue of why god lets bad things happen to babies, innocents, etc.

I'm asking you if you think your god is able to be destroyed. I can't phrase the question much more simply for you.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Most atheists think God isn't real.
What's your point?

Since: May 10

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#185788 Nov 19, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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I know what impresses you. It's not what impresses me.
Yes, you told us.

Mary Tyler Moore and you impress you.

A man bringing a compassionate, humble, self-fulfilling, benevolent philosophy in service to his fellow man, and by doing so, knowingly placing himself at risk of death does not impress you.

We got that.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#185789 Nov 19, 2013
Thinking wrote:
You've made a claim that your god is not all powerful. I assumed you've arrived at that to get past the old issue of why god lets bad things happen to babies, innocents, etc.
I'm asking you if you think your god is able to be destroyed. I can't phrase the question much more simply for you.
I never said God isn't all powerful.

You really have a hard time reading, don't you?

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#185790 Nov 19, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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Bullshit aside though, you make a lot of money and pay very little (if anything) in taxes.
The guy who earns a salary can't do that.
I go to dinners at Nobu and Providence, and the guy paying laughs and laughs, because the taxpayers fund 50% of the dinner. Lobster, beef Wellington, old Bordeaux wines. You're paying for it.
No.

The guy paying for it is paying for it.

It's his money.

Not mine; not yours', not the government's.

He has a proprietary claim on money he works for and earns.

You and I have none.

blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#185791 Nov 19, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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You haven't put forth a compelling argument. I know that you think you have, but you haven't. All you've done is tell everyone what your opinion is.
Let's put this in a more human perspective; Have you ever let your child stumble and fall on his ass while learning to walk? Have you ever sat back and watched your wife maybe fumble with the remote control? Have you ever seen a stranded motorist and done nothing to help?
I'm sure you have. That's human nature, we all have.
But that in no way means you're a bad person or you "let" bad things happen, even though you have the power to prevent, or help, these things.
God has the power to help us all in what we'd call a perfect life. But what good would that teach us? What lessons would we learn?
Lame ass analogy, letting your child stubble and fall while learning to walk is a far cry from sitting and watching thousands of innocent little children dying horrible deaths from starvation.

Yes, let DO put this in human perspective. You come across a devastated area and little children who have survived have no food or water. They are dying of thirst and are starving to death. You are driving a truck loaded with gallons of water and food. What do YOU do? What lesson will you be giving by not stopping? If you just keep driving KNOWING these children will die, then by your claim, you are NOT a bad person.

BTW I would not expect your God to help anyone, especially children. His history of murdering little children speaks for itself.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#185792 Nov 19, 2013
BenAdam wrote:
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Why do you constantly make posts that are so easily demonstrated to be false ?
The only way not to have to pay taxes is not to have an income or be extremely wealthy.
Idiot.

For a family with two dependents, the threshold is $27,100; it increases by $3,800 for each additional dependent.

Read more: http://www.ehow.com/about_6509676_income-file...
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#185793 Nov 19, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Do you have faith that if you act all bad ass on an internet site that'll make you seem more manly?
I didn't think I was acting "all bad ass" I was simply defining the word faith as it applies to you and your religious beliefs. Faith is NOT a pathway to truth, faith IS gullibility, these are simply facts, sorry if these facts upset you.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#185794 Nov 19, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
Lame ass analogy, letting your child stubble and fall while learning to walk is a far cry from sitting and watching thousands of innocent little children dying horrible deaths from starvation.
Why?

God doesn't see time like we do. We're only here about 75 years, that's a blink of an eye to God.

He's given us the tools to do what we need to do and to do what we should do.

All we have to do is use those tools.

Some of us do, some of us don't.
Yes, let DO put this in human perspective. You come across a devastated area and little children who have survived have no food or water. They are dying of thirst and are starving to death. You are driving a truck loaded with gallons of water and food. What do YOU do? What lesson will you be giving by not stopping? If you just keep driving KNOWING these children will die, then by your claim, you are NOT a bad person.
You're comparing a person to God.

Tsk, tsk, tsk mon capitan...
BTW I would not expect your God to help anyone, especially children. His history of murdering little children speaks for itself.
Why?

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#185795 Nov 19, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>I didn't think I was acting "all bad ass" I was simply defining the word faith as it applies to you and your religious beliefs. Faith is NOT a pathway to truth, faith IS gullibility, these are simply facts, sorry if these facts upset you.
Oh.

So if you have faith in that airline pilot, you're just being gullible.

Or if you have faith in your woman when she tells you that she loves you, you're just being gullible.

You're weird.
Thinking

Merthyr Tydfil, UK

#185796 Nov 19, 2013
In post 185738 you said your god is not omnipotent.
That's an unusual claim for a christian so I then asked if you thought your god could be damaged.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I never said God isn't all powerful.

Since: Sep 08

Rocky Ford, CO

#185797 Nov 19, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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You are bemoaning regressive taxation (flat taxes) and the exploitation of the worker. Are you closet progressive or Marxist?
I have never been an ideologue of any persuasion. I go with what works, whether it be a monarchy or a socialist system as long as it works for all. The problem is always the greedy and the power hungry. Whether they be reactionary or secular humanist.

I don't believe in inheritable inalienable "god-given" rights to property you can't carry or maintain.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#185798 Nov 19, 2013
Happy Lesbo wrote:
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.. are you familiar with George Bush Jr.'s recent fundraising appearance at the Messianic Jewish Bible Institute? Yep,$100 @ plate. Most of the posts regarding this event have been removed by Google. Fascinating ..
.. the goal of this group is to, ".. to convert Jews to Christianity because they believe this will hasten the anticipated Second Coming of Jesus Christ."
http://mondoweiss.net/2013/11/george-christia...
.. what's this all about ??..
I'm finding lots of links to this on Google and Bing. Try searching just for "Messianic Jewish Bible Institute".

Here's one link to an article at cnn:
" http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/11/13/bush... ;

or Business Insider:
" http://www.businessinsider.com/george-bush-sp... ;

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#185799 Nov 19, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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Lies, damn lies, and statistics.
Any of them can be used to mislead.
You'll have to come up with better arguments.
And for the life of me, I can't understand why you identify with the wealthy elite.
I don't identify with the wealthy.

I identify with economic freedom and property rights.

I am opposed to involuntary servitude.

I identify with John Fitzgerald Kennedy when he lowered tax rates to produce economic growth and jobs in the private sector.

You identify with government ownership (de facto) of production, as in the progressive income tax.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#185800 Nov 19, 2013
Bongo wrote:
<quoted text> Ask Buck to come to Cali again and continue your seduction. After some wining and dining you may get the paradiso. Subsequent to the paradiso you will likely have some expenses to write off.
Right on, Bong.

I bet if I were in Southern Cal, I could eat and drink $2,000 in a single meal.

And that's not even counting the furniture I break.

Hope Catch brings his Visa.

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#185801 Nov 19, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Most atheists think God isn't real.
What's your point?
No think about it

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#185802 Nov 19, 2013
Happy Lesbo wrote:
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.. hi ya Chris ..
.. because non-believers do not financially support churches, in many instances a portion of their disposal income goes to worthy charities ..
.. here's something to consider: DOCTORS WITHOUT BORDERS ..
.. although the beliefs of these physicians are never made public, I know for a fact that a large percentage are atheist. They freely donate their time to help those in need. That's as good as donating money to charities ..
.. to think atheists do not help the less fortunate is a misnomer ..
Médecins Sans Frontières, same team, it was originally a French charity that has grown. I have a few friends who are deeply involved with them

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#185803 Nov 19, 2013
Bongo wrote:
<quoted text> What is the starting point of extreme wealth, purfesir? Im mostly retired now but a few years ago 100% depreciation of equipment was allowed. Paid no tax on 7 figures, go figure. And there wont be any on an eventual sale, which would be taxable, due to doing like kind exchanges. The streets are paved with gold here in America. When you have a highly appreciated stock , don't sell, just borrow against it at low low intrest, ta da, no tax . I love America.
Seven figures!!!

How 'bout that job?

I will do anything you need done, and it'll cost you a lot less than seven figures.

Really, if it can be done, I can do it.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#185805 Nov 19, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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No.
I just want a government that enforces the **existing** laws on an **equal** basis-- instead of favoring the filthy rich as it does not.
I want a tax system that is **equal** across the board--without **any** ridiculous deductions-- especially NONE for religion.
A simple, flat tax would be fair-- everyone--no matter how rich-- pays the same percent.
But you ReThuglican/TeaBagging azzholes are too **greedy**.
Or if you're NOT rich?
You are just plain stupid: anyone who votes TeaBagger? And is not in the 1%? Is a complete fool.
Good luck getting a flat tax. That actually would be the fairest method of taxation. Certainly the most egalitariian.Ignoring your seemingly innate need to be be rude,I would like to know how holding government accountable for pissing tax money away translates to being greedy? The left in America love the word sustainable when discussing natural resources but act as if that is its only use. Increasing the debt is not sustainable...period. The WASTE in government spending is beyond criminal.But by your reasoning the only people who should be concerned about that are the people footing the bill.So anyone who objects to government excesses MUST be the guys paying the bills or stupid for caring. Nice.
Bongo

United States

#185806 Nov 19, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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No, those are not the features to which you referred in your alleged "proof".
You changed your story.
Your contention is, or, more accurately, "was", since you have spun off of that claim, was that the failure of the claim of perfection proves the Christian god does not exist.
You even looked up reference from formal logic sources to support that specific claim.
Then I proved your claim is bull shit.
I did so using logic properly, not as you attempted to use it.
You are batting O so far.
So, youre obeying the rules of contradiction?

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