Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#184925 Nov 16, 2013
Anon wrote:
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God played with his dinosaurs for neary 180 million years. Then he trashed them. Gods are fickle.
Played with them?

Trashed them?

So there’s a trash can somewhere full of worn dinosaurs?

Are you talking about “Toy Story?”

Fickle?

You should be teaching paleontology at Harvard. It’s not everyday you can have someone as smart as a bag of hammers give lectures on God and dinosaurs.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#184926 Nov 16, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
If you did not find it relevant,...why would you have searched to find it elsewhere on the internet?
It doesn't have to be ad rem for me to want to investigate it. I Google almost everything I'm unfamiliar with. You should already know that. I wanted to know more about Uri Nodelman and the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy, as well as the particular article you cited. Why is it that I couldn't find it in the Encyclopedia or anywhere else except in two other Topix posts left by you, both over a year ago.

Since: Sep 10

Redondo Beach, CA

#184927 Nov 16, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I should've worn protection.
Them down bathhouses, I'll never take another reference from you again...
Hey, I'm just the messenger.

That's Skom's hangout.

Biggest cukes in town.

I think they're grown for the Wayne County fair.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#184928 Nov 16, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
“I think the probability of a supernatural creator existing is very very low,”- Dick Dawkins. NOT an atheist.
I agree with him, and am just as much of an atheist as Dawkins is. Will you dispute any of that?

And what do you care which word he or I uses to describe ourselves and people who agree with that idea? How does it serve you to fight this meaningless battle with Buck. Do you know?

“Exercise Your Brain”

Since: Jun 07

Planet Earth

#184929 Nov 16, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Perhaps that God decided to quit going to them and gave them the opportunity for them to come to him, at great personal sacrifice. Can get tiresome destroying and throwing thunderbolts, etc.
The Jesus story is of a god that invested a part of itself in its creation that it vowed to not destroy again. It felt the pain its creations did. God grew in its understanding also.
If you want to be an intellectual start thinking more deeply.
God gets tired, god gets cranky, got it. Some god you got there, maybe he needs a nap and a diaper change???
Anon

Lakewood, OH

#184930 Nov 16, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
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Played with them?
Trashed them?
So there’s a trash can somewhere full of worn dinosaurs?
Are you talking about “Toy Story?”
Fickle?
You should be teaching paleontology at Harvard. It’s not everyday you can have someone as smart as a bag of hammers give lectures on God and dinosaurs.
Dave understood what I was saying.
You're incapable of doing the same.

Since: Sep 08

Rocky Ford, CO

#184931 Nov 16, 2013
albtraum wrote:
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Did you mean maggot??? ;0)
That was not a gracious thing to say.

I see you have stars in your eyes. A dreamer. A romantic. A thinker of noble ideas.

How in the hell can you be an atheist?

A real atheist knows you pick your nose, fart, leave shit, dirt, hair, and dead skin all over the landscape, belch, grunt, eat dead animals and plants, have nasty thoughts, and would even roll in the mud or even poo if you had the chance.

Kindly explain this discrepancy from professed belief and the real you.

Goodnight. Full moon. Gotta go howl.
Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#184932 Nov 16, 2013
albtraum wrote:
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The only arguments you have are based on a 2,000 year old copy of thousands of copies. Have you considered using any new material?
Pot meet kettle;0)
I do try and spice up the conversation here to get us talking about something different. Example my recent post on Lee Harvey Oswald.

Look at some of your compadres like Skeptic. He just says the same thing over and over. No freaking originality. No engaging conversation. When we do get an answer to a question. It comes right off the shelf of an Atheist web site.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#184933 Nov 16, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
Unbelief causes hopelessness and despondency.
"You can say 'Gee, your life must be pretty bleak if you don't think there's a purpose' but I'm anticipating a good lunch." - James Watson

Yeah, we're all friggin' suicidal. Please pass the Poupon.
Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#184934 Nov 16, 2013
albtraum wrote:
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God gets tired, god gets cranky, got it. Some god you got there, maybe he needs a nap and a diaper change???
It’s not just the incontinent that wear diapers.

Astronauts do too.

It all depends.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#184935 Nov 16, 2013
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T...
RiversideRedneck wrote:
If you don't wanna be mocked for your silly beliefs, don't shove them down out throats.
You didn't actually understand the post, did you? Your comment is unrelated to it.

“MEET KIKI -She Seeks Home”

Since: Oct 10

With Established Harem

#184936 Nov 16, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Sorry. Respect must be earned. Eternal torture for failing to worship is a deal killer.
.. for me, respect is a human entitlement and should be freely given otherwise disrespect reigns supreme ..

.. does each individual establish a standard for respect? Do we then expect people to measure up to our individual standard without telling them what it is? That sounds unfair ..

.. to avoid conflict, it is my contention that we must all respect each other ..

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#184937 Nov 16, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
Atheism, from the Greek a-theos ("no-god"), is the philosophical position that God doesn't exist. It is distinguished from agnosticism, the argument that it is impossible to know whether God exists or not (Academic American Encyclopedia).
Atheism, system of thought developed around the denial of God's existence. Atheism, so defined, first appeared during the Enlightenment, the age of reason (Random House Encyclopedia).
Atheism is the doctrine that there is no God.(Oxford Companion to Philosophy).
Atheism (Greek, a-[private prefix]+ theos, god) is the view that there is no divine being, no God (Dictionary of Philosophy, Thomas Mautner, Editor).
LOL. You remind me of my buddy Henry's doberman that will chase after the same ball for at least three hours if you'll keep throwing it for him. Nobody knows the dog's tiring point, or yours.
Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#184938 Nov 16, 2013
Keepitreal1 wrote:
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So god needed to create us. Whas god lonely? God is higher up on the food chain? What proof do you have that god exist?
God was the first designer, engineer, architect, builder, creator. He loves his garage projects. It keeps him busy.

What would you do if you were God. Set in a rocking chair with a blank stare and your mouth open?

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#184939 Nov 16, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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No he doesn't.
Dawkins disagrees with you about himself.
Dawkins prefers to call himself an agnostic, as he says on this public forum.
He shies away from "atheist", since he is not sure God does not exist.
So Dawkins agrees with my definition, not yours.
You blithering goof.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/9102...
Nobody is "sure" that God does not exist, Buck, because that is something that is impossible. We cannot prove something does not exist. Dawkins has explained that many times, and I am sure that he, like I, would be the first to become a believer, if someone could come up with some good solid proof, but both he and I (but he is more astute since he is a well educated scientist and speaker) know that there is no evidence to support any beliefs in a God which makes it a very strong possibility that a God does not, in fact, exist. The knowledge that the source from which believers draw their information about God is greatly flawed by proven lies, tends to throw a lot of suspicion on all of that information, for which there is still no information that has been proved to be true.

Kind of like a fishing hole where humans have thrown in their fishing lines for 4000 years, and to today not one of them has had a single nibble to suggest there might be fish there. They haven't proved there are no fish, but the total absence of any fish being caught or even nibbling on the bait, in all that time, does make it highly unlikely that any fish will be caught in the next 4000 years. That does not prove it though; just offers a very strong suggestion. Man has believed in the Abrahamic God for 4000 years give or take a thousand or two, and up to today not one has ever proved this existence. Insanity is when you keep doing the same thing and keep getting the same results.

Perhaps it is time for the fishermen to stop fishing at that spot, and time for humans to stop looking for a God that has never been known to exist.

I wonder what this world would be like to day, if humans based all of their actions and interactions of known facts, rather than on believed myths.

Can you imagine the impact it might have made to society today if all people in the past 4000 years, had worked with strictly what they knew, or if they didn't know, they discovered, and spent no time at all following things that were only mythical in nature.

Since it didn't happen that way, and we do know some of the horrors that the negative parts of these beliefs have brought to many, we can only imagine what might have happened.

“MEET KIKI -She Seeks Home”

Since: Oct 10

With Established Harem

#184940 Nov 16, 2013
River Tam wrote:
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I do fiddle around occasionally.
:-)
.. yes, I know ..

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#184941 Nov 16, 2013
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T...
Dave Nelson wrote:
You are saying you can't proceed unless you have more dancing room?
I'm saying that I don't take you seriously. You broach subjects, but have no answers to questions asked of you and can't follow through. That's fine. As I said, what I needed was a gauge to judge what you were capable of, and how to answer you.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#184942 Nov 16, 2013
Happy Lesbo wrote:
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.. a cat lover! Most excellent ..
.. do you believe your cat loves you or do you have faith that your cat loves you because (s)he's a mammal ??..
No, and no. But I like to think-- within the limits of his brain-- he shows great affection.

In a human, his actions would be associated with love. But he's a cat, and will always be framed by his cat instincts, which are stronger than his intellect.

That's one of the principle differences between humans and other mammals-- yes, humans have instincts, but they are very, very low-key, most are subconscious urges.

And any human has the capacity to go against his or her instinctive drives, if given sufficient motivation.

What is interesting with humans, though-- is that they also possess many subconscious urges that are *not* instinctive, but are instilled by the very culture they were raised in as a child.

It is very difficult to separate the actual, DNA-created instincts, and the culturally generated ones (if the latter can even be called such).

But, no matter how much my cat may wish to, he cannot overcome his instinctive behaviors. Many similar animal studies have confirmed this, in cats and other animals.

Humans appear to be singular in this ability-- to overcome our own innate natures.
Happy Lesbo wrote:
.. we really don't know if our pets love us, we just enjoy thinking they do ..
Well, yes-- it's much easier to use the same adjective to describe the similar behaviors in humans and their close animal companions.
Happy Lesbo wrote:
.. you may say the same concept applies to someone who believes in God ..
.. so, is it faith or belief ??..
Faith/belief, what's the difference? I see none. Both are irrational, if based on nothing (i.e all religious faith/belief).

But I do not excuse people who choose the lazy way out, "goddidit" to "explain" the inexplicable.

That's just a lazy dodge-- and explains exactly nothing.

I would much rather go and **see** rather than mind-numbingly accept "goddidit".

People who discovered how the universe worked? Were **never** content to blindly accept "goddidit".

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#184943 Nov 16, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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It is cute how OCD you are about all my posts.

Thanks for all the negative Jugits.

It shows how **deeply** you care!

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#184944 Nov 16, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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HFY changed her mind and gave up on you.
Yep.

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