Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#184799 Nov 16, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
Unless the Lord hardens your heart, of course.
He wouldn't do that.

People harden their own hearts.

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#184800 Nov 16, 2013
Anon wrote:
<quoted text>
That's it? I mean you're in a pretty elite club here. Many people would be thrilled just to meet the Pope, but you met the creator of all things. Think of it: the creator of ALL THINGS sought you out. If that wasn't enough, he actually TOUCHED you. One would think there would be some residual effect (enhanced intelligence, increased wisdom, etc.) resulting from such an event, but I think we can safely rule that out. Rather disappointing, I must say.
God has touched millions of people, possibly billions.

I'm nothing special.

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#184801 Nov 16, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
We're all biased in favor of evidence. The evidence for Plato the man is much better than that for Jesus the man. Either of them could have been composites of several people, but the one called Plato left books.
The evidence for Jesus the god, is what matters. The existence of Jesus the man is of little consequence of he wasn't also a god. The words attributed to him are useless if they aren't divine, since they weren't original.
Plato's words, by contrast, are valuable on their own merit whatever their provenance.
There's the bias. You believe that Plato left books. For all you know, they weren't written by him, just attributed to him.

There's more evidence that Jesus the man existed than Plato the man.

My question is, why would a person so easily believe one but not the other?

Catcher1

Since: Sep 10

Redondo Beach, CA

#184802 Nov 16, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
It makes you an atheist. Is that a problem for you? It isn't for me.
Tell me, do you believe any element of you survives beyond physical death?
There is abundant evidence that it does.
Thanks. I reserve the right to unatheistize, in the event a god touches me on the head a la RR.

I do not believe anything "survives" beyond physical death: There may be a corpse, or ashes, and memories for those still alive, but in the sense of a continuation of any sort, in any form, as in a soul or its equivalent, no. To me, death ends the process. Our allotted time here, or anywhere, has expired. And by the way, I'm very comfortable so believing.

I am not aware of any evidence to the contrary.

But you know me, I'm always open to consider evidence.

Catcher1

Since: Sep 10

Redondo Beach, CA

#184803 Nov 16, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't care to categorize anyone, and could not care less what they call themselves...
...except when they try to have it two ways.
Even three-ways can be fun.

Catcher1

Since: Sep 10

Redondo Beach, CA

#184804 Nov 16, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
They like bread.
They also like fresh cut grass.
So I made em a couple of grass sammiches.
What's the difference between a blinds and a mosquito?
...
...
The mosquito will stop sucking after you smack it.
Please retell the joke.

In English this time, please.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#184805 Nov 16, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
They would be a lot more believable if they didn't quote others, or use the same terms and formulations in their arguments. It's like they agree with what their teacher said. None of them are the slightest bit original in their argumentation. They are almost interchangeable. The theists on here at least show some originality of thought and uniqueness of personality. Real people versus mass media clones.
You seem to be making the argument that the people who disagree with one another have a better handle on what the authentic nature of reality is than those who agree.

Here's a question that I posed to Eagle < http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T... >, which he either never saw or chose to ignore. I'll offer it to you now:

You and the rest of your ten man detail are on maneuvers in an Afghani desert when an explosion kills three of your squad, and leaves you blind and limping. Two three-man details leave you and go in opposite directions in search of water.

They each return to you claiming that they have seen water in the distance, are planning to go to the water, and will help you get there with them since you are not expected to survive long enough for them to return with water for you.

Both groups swear that they have seen water, but it's very hot out, they're dehydrated, and you realize that one or both groups might be seeing things - a mirage. Which will you follow, and how can you decide? In other words, is there a way to decide when a group of people claim to see something whether they actually do or not? How can you decide which one is describing reality?

This is probably pretty easy, but in case it's not, a full discussion will follow your answer - assuming that you give one.

“In God we trust”

Since: Dec 12

Cape Town, South Africa

#184806 Nov 16, 2013
These low life atheists believe religion's disappearing.

Seriously?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#184807 Nov 16, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
The freethinkers don't like that we are open-minded
Since Dave refuses, perhaps you'd like a shot at defining open mindedness, and explaining to us how that applies to you.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#184808 Nov 16, 2013
Happy Lesbo wrote:
.. I'm sorry I forgot the key to the handcuffs ..
.. how did you [Riverside Redneck] escape ??..
He has no hands.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#184809 Nov 16, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
God is not omnipotent, He is not all-powerful. There are things that even God can't do
That's a huge step in the right direction.

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#184810 Nov 16, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
Not mine.
I live in a country whose Constitution was written following a bloody revolution in which the church had supported the entrenched power. It paid for that dearly. Some of the following < http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholicis... > has been relaxed:
"1917 Mexican Constitution - Anti-clerical elements were included in 1917 Mexican Constitution. Five elements in the Constitution were aimed at reducing the Catholic Church’s influence in Mexican domestic affairs.
"Article 3 enforced secular education in Mexican schools.
"Monastic vows and orders were outlawed in Article 5.
"Article 24 prevented public worship outside the confines of the Church buildings.
"According to article 27, religious institutions were denied the right to acquire, hold, or administer real property. Furthermore, all real estate held by religious institutions through third parties like hospitals, schools, was declared national property.
"Finally in article 130, it declared all basic civil responsibilities like voting or commenting on public affairs was taken away from Church officials.
"The Mexican government was extremely harsh in their attempt to eliminate the Catholic Church’s legal existence in Mexico. The stern premises of the 1917 Constitution contributed to the rise of resentment between the church and state."
Maybe that's why Mexicans come to America a helluva lot more than Americans go to Mexico.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#184811 Nov 16, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
I hadda look that up, dammit. Funny as hell, though.

Descriptive lexicography: Descriptive lexicography creates dictionaries according to how people actually write and speak - usually based on the analysis of very large databases of real language (corpora).
---
Prescriptive lexicography: Prescriptive lexicography creates dictionaries on the basis of how people *should* write or speak - based on some idealized norms which may or may not be decreed by an institutional language authority such as the Académie Française.

The latter does appear to be the way of the Topix atheist.
LOL
Anon

Lakewood, OH

#184813 Nov 16, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
God has touched millions of people, possibly billions.
I'm nothing special.
So a visit from god is not that big a deal. I would have thought it would have been life transforming, but what do I know? Are all Christians this hard to impress?

Catcher1

Since: Sep 10

Redondo Beach, CA

#184814 Nov 16, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
God has touched millions of people, possibly billions.
I'm nothing special.
I agree.

You're not special, and you're touched.

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#184815 Nov 16, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Please retell the joke.
In English this time, please.
Yes master.

What's the difference between a blonde and a mosquito?

...

...

The mosquito will stop sucking after you smack it.

Since: Sep 08

Rocky Ford, CO

#184816 Nov 16, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
You seem to be making the argument that the people who disagree with one another have a better handle on what the authentic nature of reality is than those who agree.
Here's a question that I posed to Eagle < http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T... >, which he either never saw or chose to ignore. I'll offer it to you now:
You and the rest of your ten man detail are on maneuvers in an Afghani desert when an explosion kills three of your squad, and leaves you blind and limping. Two three-man details leave you and go in opposite directions in search of water.
They each return to you claiming that they have seen water in the distance, are planning to go to the water, and will help you get there with them since you are not expected to survive long enough for them to return with water for you.
Both groups swear that they have seen water, but it's very hot out, they're dehydrated, and you realize that one or both groups might be seeing things - a mirage. Which will you follow, and how can you decide? In other words, is there a way to decide when a group of people claim to see something whether they actually do or not? How can you decide which one is describing reality?
This is probably pretty easy, but in case it's not, a full discussion will follow your answer - assuming that you give one.
I would follow neither group. If I am in that bad a shape and they are, too, then I will not be a further burden on them. They are in a desperate situation and will still have a struggle even if they do find water. I had three men that already died instantly, and it won't be that painful for me to go. If they find water and can come back to get me, then that was God's will. They are the viable products that need surviving. They still have a mission to complete.

Best of luck, guys. May God watch out for you.

What did you think I would do?

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#184817 Nov 16, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
Since Dave refuses, perhaps you'd like a shot at defining open mindedness, and explaining to us how that applies to you.
I believe that open-mindedness means looking at everything honestly, objectively and subjectively. Not just through the microscope's evidence lens. Being open-minded implies a willingness to consider all sides of an argument, something I think today's atheist can't do.

We Christians say that we 'know' answers that we cannot possible know yet as they believe fully in the Bible. We take it on faith, on belief.

I'll admit that being open-minded means that I HAVE to admit that the Bible may be wrong, which I have. I've contested the 'omnipotence' part of God that clearly cannot be true.

You agnostic/atheists wait for evidence to become available that makes God a fact, but most of you say you'd accept His existence, but still consider Him evil. You're minds seem to be closed, not to anything, just to God. I've seen a lot of atheists that have spiritual experiences, believe in luck, ego or karma, believe in ghosts or aliens, etc. your minds are closed to God.

Who is really open minded? Being open-minded is the best viewpoint as it allows the truth to shine through, and done times that truth requires no evidence.

Open-mindedness cannot be a framework in which you start with absolute truth and ignore everything that contradicts it.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#184818 Nov 16, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
The modern ReThugs: the party of the most intensely felt **greed** in centuries.
You might like this recent edition of Bill Maher's New Rules. The sound is a little faint, but audible:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/11/09/1254...

And then there's this, also about American conservative Christians:
http://www.alternet.org/belief/gospel-selfish...

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#184819 Nov 16, 2013
Anon wrote:
<quoted text>
So a visit from god is not that big a deal. I would have thought it would have been life transforming, but what do I know? Are all Christians this hard to impress?
Have you experienced God?

If not, you have no frame of reference to dictate how it can or should go.

You're like a virgin teaching sex ed.

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