Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#184398 Nov 15, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Not nearly good enough.
You post like a battered wife. "I know he gets angry. You don't understand him. He loves me really."
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You avoided the question.

Coward.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#184399 Nov 15, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
http://www.topix.com/forum/rel igion/atheism/TUGI0DVLLAKD7M2H N/post184329
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Two people have called this post of yours interesting, brilliant, and helpful at the 3hr old mark. To me, it's not even intelligible until it becomes ominous right at the end. What could they like about this?
What a human wasteland this religion of yours generates where it is able to.
Your self centered and self gratifying orientation you wish to impose on the massed mind and experience of the human species is indicative of a cancer, Doctor. You are a growth within the body human that only looks to what it desires, and not to the reality this species needs in order to advance. A cancer with delusions of being a superior creature.

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#184400 Nov 15, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Atheists spend an inordinate amount of time arguing a "non-belief" they all claim to share.
I find it very odd.
That does not change the fact that you make the same tactics and arguments that you accuse them of using.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#184401 Nov 15, 2013
BenAdam wrote:
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Hi, IANS!
I wonder if you are 'awed' nature ? That is to say, appreciate the power and majesty of the world. Can sit and smile during a summer rain or drive in terror through a blizzard. That sort of thing.
Has nothing to do with God or anything. Just something I wondered.
I don't so much "worship" that which I call "God" (for lack of a better word in English) but am in 'awe' of the entire Universe and the laws that govern it.
To me, the mysteries of how two individual cells combine to create every baby in history is more awesome than "God got Mary pregnant".
The again, I never liked magic shows but loved the science behind the illusions.
Anyway, sorry to ramble. I haven't been able to sleep tonight/morning.
I would have to agree-- the real universe is far more amazing than anything **ever** written by the had of mere men.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#184402 Nov 15, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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A pithy way to saying that is that not believing is distinct from believing not.
What do you suppose the motive is behind trying to pressure atheists into abandoning the word "atheist" in self-reference if they are not willing to take the untenable position that the existence of gods is impossible or that the possibility has been definitively ruled out?
I don't think most of the people serving as vectors for this meme have any clear idea why they are arguing the point. But I'm pretty sure that the people that created it and released it into the apologetics echo chamber do, although I'm not clear on what it is.
The motive for trying to make people see evolution as a faith based religion is probably to help give creationism an equal footing in the classroom. But what would be the analogous motive for trying to get us to cease describing ourselves as atheists, or convincing others that we are not? I can't see how that serves the church.
I have a theory about the "atheism is a belief" syndrome.

They wish to try to **justify** belief as a basic idea.

So they are attempting to sweep non-believers into their believer's camp.

It just doesn't work-- atheists typically become atheists out of recognition that belief-without-facts is irrational.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#184403 Nov 15, 2013
Happy Lesbo wrote:
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.. within the next 15-25 years, I think science will solve the mystery of time and humans will be capable of traversing the planes ..
.. do you think time is linear ??..
I sincerely hope I live long enough to see something akin to "warp drive" or "wormhole travel".

I think the odds are very long, though.

However, if I do live so long? I fully expect to discover the cosmos is populated by life **everywhere**. Not necessarily **intelligent** life as we know it, but life nonetheless.

I also think that dolphins and other sea-mammals are equally as intelligent as humans-- but without artificial memories (writing, literature, books) they cannot construct a civilization that rivals ours.

On the other hand? They may well have some form of civilization-- just one that's different than what humans call "great".

If (when) humans get out into the galaxy? If that ever becomes possible? I expect they will find intelligences that are so different than our own, that we won't even recognize it as such.

I hope that we don't commit our usual faux paus when meeting a new civilization for the first time....

... it could prove ... tragic, for humans.

;)

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#184404 Nov 15, 2013
Happy Lesbo wrote:
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.. yes, words are important ..
.. if you say someone is dead, it can have a myriad of meanings. They may be physically, spiritually or intellectually dead ..
.. in America, an atheist may be described as someone who rejects the Abrahamic God ..
.. why is your interpretation of any word the correct one? I do not understand the logic. What does it accomplish ??..
The poor Buckster is a classic narcissist with severe poor self-image issues.

As such? He simply **has** to be right-- no matter what.

He takes it as a personal blow, everytime he's proven to be wrong.

So much so, he literally rejects actual reality if needed, to continue to harbor his "rightness".

Kinda funny to watch-- but sad, too.
Bongo

Coram, NY

#184405 Nov 15, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Yes, hell.
There is no excuse for keeping a soul alive for eternity just to make it suffer, and for no better reason that it failed to worship you. I can hardly think of a worse thing to do. Can you?
Are you willing to believe that a creature that does that is infinitely loving?
Why did he build hell? Why did he create Satan or unleash him on earth and mankind? Why did he reward him with dominion over hell and souls to torture?
Why would you trust such a creature to keep its promises?
He never lied. Even said don't eat of this tree or else. Maybe souls cant be extinguished. Is hell built? Giving free will seems to be a problem. All reasonable questions. I try to contrast those with the great difference between a diety and man which is a greater difference than man and animals, insects etc. that We kill and destroy without thought. We've been given a promise if we don't accept it you've outlined the consequence. In the garden there was no death . After the fall God had to provide the first skins to cover them, what a horror it must have been. Hes changing the system, theres going to be a new heaven and new earth. Patience, after all were talking eternity.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#184406 Nov 15, 2013
Happy Lesbo wrote:
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.. yes, words are important ..
.. if you say someone is dead, it can have a myriad of meanings. They may be physically, spiritually or intellectually dead ..
.. in America, an atheist may be described as someone who rejects the Abrahamic God ..
.. why is your interpretation of any word the correct one? I do not understand the logic. What does it accomplish ??..
Proof?

You can taunt Buck-- by voting his posts down with jugicons.

Within hours, they will be reversed by the Buckster-- he cannot **stand** it when he gets voted down.

It's most amusing to watch this game.

I can only imagine him frothing at the mouth as he frantically reverses the negative jugicons...

LOL!

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#184407 Nov 15, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Why is secular government better than theocracy?
That's easy.

In a purely **secular** government? You can **change** parts of it-- you can even change the basic, fundamental founding documents, if you like or need to.

But with a theocracy? Not only can you **not** change anything about it? You will be **killed** if you even try.

As such, when technology comes up with **new** ideas?

**Secular** governments can change to keep up.

Theocracies? Fall by the wayside-- as the new technology destroys them, sometimes piecemeal, sometimes dramatically--all at once.
Thinking

UK

#184408 Nov 15, 2013
No avoiding here.

I said [whatever happiness was] not nearly good enough.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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You avoided the question.
Coward.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#184409 Nov 15, 2013
BenAdam wrote:
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That does not change the fact that you make the same tactics and arguments that you accuse them of using.
By expressing beliefs?

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#184410 Nov 15, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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Talking about left and right hand rotation, I believe that the only difference between the orange and the lemon smell is the of rotation of the dna molecules
Last night I watched Brian Cox on TV giving a lecture at the RI. The title was the science of Doctor Who. Although he concentrated mostly on the ideas of time travel, the last few minutes were on the possibilities of aliens. If you can get it in the US itís worth watching
I'll see if it's available on-line, then-- I do not have the BBC America channel any more.

A number of years back? Some scientists had figured out how to make sugar molecules with the reversed spiral rotation-- as such, they still "locked" into our sweet tastebuds (and tasted sweet). And they would cook exactly as you'd expect sugar to cook-- it's still sugar, just reversed.

But the enzymes we use to process the sugar could not unlock them down to the basic building blocks (glucose) and as such, they simply passed through our systems, unutilized.

A perfect no-calorie sweetener. Alas, it proved too costly to make, so it's still not on the market.

Those pesky enzymes again-- all the current sugars are essentially made by enzymatic action in plants.

:)

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#184411 Nov 15, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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Also on the Brian Cox lecture was a few details of the keplar mission
Interesting idea, that: "faster, cheaper, better".

Two out of three ain't bad, though?

And, in spite of it's failures, it appears to have collected an incredible volume of usable data.

It'll take years to analyze it all.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#184412 Nov 15, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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Your response is text book of why I would never vote for an atheist running for public office. Having to justify your beliefs is having to justify your thoughts.
If you keep those hideously ugly thoughts to yourself?

There would be no need to "justify" them, would there?

I mean-- you could easily be a secret pedophile/closeted serial killer-- and so long as you kept all those illicit thoughts to yourself?

Nobody would care, and you could live out your lie in comfort.

(and that's all I read of your ugly hate-post-- your snap-judgement is not worthy of further study)

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#184413 Nov 15, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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For over 5,000 years there has been a lot of evidence that we do have souls.
Silly!

Feeeeeelllliiiiings do not evidence make.

This is why science discounts feelings, when gathering **facts**.

The entire sum of your "evidence" is bogus, and can be dismissed as such.
LCNLin

United States

#184414 Nov 15, 2013
Pot calling Kettle Black ;-)

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#184415 Nov 15, 2013
Thinking wrote:
No avoiding here.
I said [whatever happiness was] not nearly good enough.
<quoted text>
You're still avoiding.

Do you believe that God creates happiness?

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#184416 Nov 15, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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So you deny the existence of any gods while simultaneously believe that gods may exist.How's that working out for ya?
Nope. You demonstrate once again, you have severe cognitive dissonance.

Once again: I have **no** belief/faith that gods exist. Atheist.

This is not an active thing-- it is a **lack** of a thing (I lack faith).

It is akin to me,**not** having a social disease (faith).

I also understand that it is impossible to know the entire scope of the universe-- thus, I cannot **know** that there are no godlike beings somewhere or other: agnostic.

Thus? I am an atheist-agnostic.

But back to you: you also demonstrate a severe lack of a working brain.

How's that working out for ya?

Oh! Right... your group **lost** the last election....!

LMAO!

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#184417 Nov 15, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I call bullshit.
Providing evidence that a person is at a particular location is incomparable to providing evidence for God.
Exactly!

Because proving a person exists at a given location is actually possible-- lots and lots of tools make it possible, GPS, maps, google maps, etc.

Proving a non-existent, fantasy-delusion (god) is real?

Would require a machine that could examine a person's **imagination**.

Because we all know (yes-- even YOU know--but are afraid to admit) that **your** god is **not** real.

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